What is a "Black Conservative"?
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Who are some "black conservstives" that do not align with the GOP or an off shoot party? And why must they announce themselves as "black conservative" and not simply "conservative"?
There are examples of black movements that use socialism as a foundation or inspiration but they did not call themselves "black socialist" they called themselves what ever the name of the movement they created was and attributed that movement to having socialist inspiration.
There is no "Black conservative" party or movement. "Black conservatives" always latch on to white political movements/parties.
Come on breh, you should know the answer to this as an African
I'm moreso conservative than liberal (i'm libertarian but w/e), and I disdain the GOP.
I have many many many African friends and family hold more conservative views but want nothing to do with the GOP.
As I said above, Conservatism is an ideology and its not limited to political parties so i'm not sure why you are trying to shoehorn into a box that it doesn't fit in.
There are people who are religiously conservative, there are people who are financially conservative, etc etc.
As far as proclaiming that you are black, I agree that its unnecessary unless you are trying to avoid certain stereotypes (the type that are present throughout this thread).
people will tell you all kinds of things, but the simple truth is this: a c00n
stop it breh just stop. Everybody who has a different ideology is NOT a c00n.
The concept of conservatism is tied to preserving certain morals and values. Black people by nature do not have the same traditions as non blacks. There are things in black cultures that others would deem "liberal". What African societies called themselves "conservatives"? Even when it comes to Islam in africa it is totally different than how it is practiced by non blacks, so who would be the true conservative?
Like I said when people use the term "black conservetive" they are NOT using it in the context of preserving their culture they are using it in the context of aligning with european idealogies.
If black people were truely "black conservstives" we would see the creation of "black conservative" political parties and movements.
Some of ya'll truly believe the ideology of conservatism was created in America
Next ya'll gonna tell me that the socialist ideology was created by Sweden circa 2002
This is a "smart-dumb" thread
Nothing smart dumb about it. Your just a black man who latched on to european political idealogies and want to make them apply to your life when in reality blacks have traditions and their own idealogies that predate the european concepts.
You answered your own question in the first sentence.
The people who are concerned with keeping their moral and traditional values are the people who are conservatives.
I'm going to have a traditional marriage in Nigeria, I'm paying a dowry, I have to bring the elders of my family to ask for my future wife's hand in marriage, etc etc.
These are conservative views on marriage for a Nigerian because I put a high value on conserving these traditions. I would be seen as conservative relative to my Nigerian American counterparts who are not concerned with continuing these traditions.
Once again, its an ideology.....
Sigh... no. You are shoehorning the term yet again.
You're just a black man who can't divorce the term conservatism from an American political party.
Listen, if you are ONLY interested in discussing Conservatism as it relates to American politics in the last 5-6 decades, then declare that as the scope of your discussion.
If you are interested in dissecting the ideology of a human being believing in the preservation of their culture/customs/traditions, than you need to broaden your understanding.
Let me ask you this did you even read the thread? I clearly mentioned that being a "black conservative" that is independent is what makes sense. There are no black conservstive parties or independent movements, you are literally trying to ignore that black republican is synonmous with Republican. I dont care anout what happens in Africa because we are speaking on the west. Even In Africa and to a degree in the past of America, blacks started their own independent movements that focused on the needs of blacks of that area. The Republican party does not focus on the needs blacks so what exactly are black conservatives trying to "conserve" aligning themselves with them?
The thing that's not talked about is all of those things in part led us to drug use. A lot of those homes were broken but it was never discussed or talked about
Then why did you take umbrage with a single thing i've said?
Because you didnt read the thread. You bringing up Africa yet nobody in africa calls themself a black conservative. Any african that does picked that crap up when they got to the west. And in general this thread is about America/ the west.
You are trying to play semantics. We all know exactly what someone means whem they say they are a "black liberal" or "black conservative".
That is a true point that you made. Most new age Conservatives don't go into the root of the problem. However, some are turning around and are for criminal justice reform like Newt Gingrich. I personally think that even though our ideologies are different Conservatives should go into that problem more. Hell, even Libertarians talk about how the War On Drugs is a failure and used to target POC AKA Black youth.