Don't know about Angola but its definitely not Nigeria.
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Don't know about Angola but its definitely not Nigeria.
Good post, but I'm mainly talking about before Christianity came to southeast Nigeria.
I sure would like tyo see those Juju practitioners. No offense, but I doubt they are as deep into it as Vodun practitioners.
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I was looking for this map. Thank you.
And I read the Sahel/Upper West Africa.
Also mind you I wouldn't dismiss Muslim slaves or slaves from Muslim dominated areas.
It is estimated that over 50% of the slaves imported to North America came from areas where Islam was followed by at least a minority population. Thus, no less than 200,000 came from regions influenced by Islam. Substantial numbers originated from Senegambia, a region with an established community of Muslim inhabitants extending to the 11th century.
Islam in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lets not forget that AA culture is a unique one in the diaspora and that it mainly deprives from muslim Africans or areas that were dominated by muslims. Also muslim Africans like the Fulanis were said to influence the American cowboy culture. And lets not forget the "blues."
As for Angolan slaves being banned. See my last post on this page.
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/lets-talk-african-history-the-kongo-kingdom.428377/page-3
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Yes, I noted earlier that some Africans brought over to the U.S. were Muslim, but not the majority as some posts in this thread like to claim.
You're right on the HUGE Senegambian influence on African-American music. This became more acute after drumming was banned.
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Yep. And the largest portion of the slaves that the British and later the Americans bought into the USA were from Kingdom of Mali and Kingdom of Kongo.
The first group of slaves came mostly from in and around the Kingdom of Mali, which were the Mande people (Bambaran, Mandingo, Mende, Dyula, etc.). A lot of those slaves were Muslim and they could read and write (albeit in Islamic script). That became a big problem for the English White people, because they lived in constant fear of slave rebellions; and they knew that Muslim people could go on Jihads and lead other slaves with them against White people. So White people forced every slave to convert to Christianity, even if the slave was not Muslim. White people even sat in Churches for the longest period of time with the slaves to make sure that they practiced Christianity. White people also made it against the law to teach slaves to read and write. A rather cynical thing that Whites forced Black people to do later was to eat the intestines of hogs (chitlings). I always figured that was meant as an insult to any of the slaves that were still secretly Muslim. Maybe that is wrong, but that is what I have always thought.
A latter group of slaves brought to the USA brought from the Kingdom of Kongo were Catholic, because Kongo had converted to Catholicism during the time that Portugal had created trade contacts a century or more earlier. American White people didn't care. When they brought those slaves to America from the Kongo they forced them to become Protestants just like White English descendants in this Country. In other places where Kongo slaves went; many could still practice Catholicism.
There were other slaves from the modern Countries of Ivory Coast, Ghana, Togo, Benin, Nigeria and Chad, etc.; but many African Americans who have been in the USA since slavery trace a lot of their ancestry back to the Kingdoms of Mali and Kongo.
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Religions: Abakuá Candomblé (Bantu Jejé Ketu) Cuban Vodú Dominican Vudú Haitian Vodou Kumina Voodoo Obeah Palo Quimbanda Santería Umbanda Winti
Heres but one of many
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The orishas are the emissaries of Olodumare or God almighty. They rule over the forces of nature and the endeavors of humanity. They recognise themselves and are recognised through their different numbers and colors which are their marks, and each has their own favorite foods and other things which they like to receive as offerings and gifts. In this way we make our offerings in the manner they are accustomed to, in the way they have always received them, so that they will recognise our offerings and come to our aid.
Orishas
Santeria is a religion descended from and influenced by Yoruba cultural practices in West Africa, particularly Southwestern Nigeria.
The Afro-Cuban Orisha religion, sometimes referred to as Santería, is the product of the Yoruba Orisha worship
cuba heritage .org - The Orishas: Santeria Gods
THE ORISHA TRADITION IN TRINIDAD
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Religions: Abakuá Candomblé (Bantu Jejé Ketu) Cuban Vodú Dominican Vudú Haitian Vodou Kumina Voodoo Obeah Palo Quimbanda Santería Umbanda Winti
Heres but one of many
The Orishas
The orishas are the emissaries of Olodumare or God almighty. They rule over the forces of nature and the endeavors of humanity. They recognise themselves and are recognised through their different numbers and colors which are their marks, and each has their own favorite foods and other things which they like to receive as offerings and gifts. In this way we make our offerings in the manner they are accustomed to, in the way they have always received them, so that they will recognise our offerings and come to our aid.
Orishas
Santeria is a religion descended from and influenced by Yoruba cultural practices in West Africa, particularly Southwestern Nigeria.
The Afro-Cuban Orisha religion, sometimes referred to as Santería, is the product of the Yoruba Orisha worship
cuba heritage .org - The Orishas: Santeria Gods
THE ORISHA TRADITION IN TRINIDAD
Templo Yoruba Omo Orisha Texas, Inc
https://www.nps.gov/ethnography/research/docs/ggsrs_book.pdf
II think that people think that because Nigeria exported a lot of slaves then those slaves must have ended up in America. What people fail to realize is that the USA did not import that many slaves. Nigerian slaves went mostly to the Caribbean nations and South America and we know this because the Yoruba people still practice Santeria in those areas.
The only Nigerian slaves brought to the USA in any significant numbers were Igbo people. That is misleading too, because a lot of times it was not Igbo people being exported out of the Bight of Biafra; but it was Tikar people (Bamoun and Bamilke) of Cameroon and Kaba people of Chad.
The largest block of slaves brought to the USA were from the Kingdom of Mali (modern countries of Mali, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Togo, Benin, Burkina Faso, Guinea, Gambia, Senegal, Guinea-Bissau and northern Ivory Coast, Ghana, etc.). That is why people always joked that African Americans were big Mandingos; because most African Americas are descended from the Mandinka people. That is who Alex Haley traced his roots back to in Roots.
The other large group that African Americans come from is the Kingdom of Kongo (Angola, Republic of Congo, Cabinda, Democratic Republic of Congo and Southern Gabon). Another large group of slaves came from the Akan people of the central and southern region of Ghana and the Ivory Coast. This group was traded due to the rise of Ashanti. The Ashanti forced tribes around them to pay tribute. Tribes could either pay in gold, which is what the Ashanti wanted; or the tribute paying states could pay in slaves. Some tribes paid in slaves, which meant that they had to raid neighboring Akan people like the Brong in Central Ghana and Baoule people of the Ivory Coast. The Ashanti sold the slaves to the English. The English acknowledge that the Ashanti were not slave traders and the Ashanti were clearly not trying to sell other captured Akan people. The Ashanti used the slaves to work in the Gold mines, which is what the Bonoman Empire (Ashanti, Brong, Baoule etc) was all about; but later when the English asked to buy some of the slaves the Ashanti sold them. Btw, Ghana apologized for Ghana's role in the slave trade.
GHANA APOLOGIZES FOR ITS ROLE IN SLAVE TRADE: Countrys 50th anniversary includes tourism campaign
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There is so much information in here, I seriously didnt know all of this stuff was out there. Also sorry if anybody got confused in the original posting, but hey I was ignorant about all of this. Never bothered to look this deep into our history
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Keep posting these gems though and chill with the bashing
Only reason I created this thread is because I actually stopped and listened to one of those Black Hebrew Israelites in Manhattan and it had me thinking.
Keep posting these gems though and chill with the bashing
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Good post, but I'm mainly talking about before Christianity came to southeast Nigeria.
I sure would like tyo see those Juju practitioners. No offense, but I doubt they are as deep into it as Vodun practitioners.
No doubt. Benin, Togo, and Ivory Coast are well known for their Voodo. They have entire markets dedicated to the selling of voodo worship artifacts:
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