What is John Kasich's real play?

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I mean at this point it's clear he can't win the nomination. Everyone knows it so what is his real play? VP? Is he really on Trump's side? Just trying to block Cruz? I mean he's been running all this time and he only really made a move on Michigan, Ohio, and New Hampshire.

It's almost like he never really went to get the nomination by actually winning.
 

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nobody is going to have enough delegates to win the nomination, so that means there will be a brokered convention, in a brokered convention the delegates can nominate whoever they want

kasich has a not great, but decent chance of convincing delegates to nominate him due to the fact that he does best in the polls against hillary, kasich is basically a guaranteed win in the general

trump and cruz have slightly higher chances than kasich of rounding up the votes but not by much

from my understanding, delegates are mostly "establishment republicans" (as in the people that were going with rubio and bush) kasich is the most establishment republican compared to cruz and trump, he would be a safe choice
 

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nobody is going to have enough delegates to win the nomination, so that means there will be a brokered convention, in a brokered convention the delegates can nominate whoever they want

kasich has a not great, but decent chance of convincing delegates to nominate him due to the fact that he does best in the polls against hillary, kasich is basically a guaranteed win in the general

trump and cruz have slightly higher chances than kasich of rounding up the votes but not by much

from my understanding, delegates are mostly "establishment republicans" (as in the people that were going with rubio and bush) kasich is the most establishment republican compared to cruz and trump, he would be a safe choice

Honestly I think there's a good chance that Trump ends up with enough delegates to get the nomination.

But even if he doesn't, if the delegates overrode the voters and gave the nomination to Kaisch (or Cruz) instead I could see a lot of Trump voters getting pissed and staying home on election night. And that's not even bringing up the possibility that Trump runs 3rd party if they do that.
 

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nobody is going to have enough delegates to win the nomination, so that means there will be a brokered convention, in a brokered convention the delegates can nominate whoever they want

kasich has a not great, but decent chance of convincing delegates to nominate him due to the fact that he does best in the polls against hillary, kasich is basically a guaranteed win in the general

trump and cruz have slightly higher chances than kasich of rounding up the votes but not by much

from my understanding, delegates are mostly "establishment republicans" (as in the people that were going with rubio and bush) kasich is the most establishment republican compared to cruz and trump, he would be a safe choice
President John Kasich :deadmanny:
 

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kasich is basically a guaranteed win in the general
Not if he comes out of a brokered convention and alienates all of Cruz and Trump's supporters. Under normal circumstances he'd be an acceptable general election candidate but cutting a deal and ignoring the will of the primary voters will make his a very weak candidate.
 

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Honestly I think there's a good chance that Trump ends up with enough delegates to get the nomination.

But even if he doesn't, if the delegates overrode the voters and gave the nomination to Kaisch (or Cruz) instead I could see a lot of Trump voters getting pissed and staying home on election night. And that's not even bringing up the possibility that Trump runs 3rd party if they do that.

well actually there is about zero chance trump ends up with enough delegates, the only way he can get enough delegates is if kasich drops out

now the question is what happens in a second ballot when delegates are free to choose, i dont know what will happen, a bunch could switch to trump or cruz or they may not, i dont know, but i do know kasich does have a chance since its open season

trump is not running as a third party, his motivation is ego, his motivation isnt any particular policy or any particular movement

as for the voters there as as much chance of other demographics staying home and there is a chance of republicans losing their majorities in congress with trump as the nominee, so the issue of trump die hards staying home is a wash
 

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Not if he comes out of a brokered convention and alienates all of Cruz and Trump's supporters. Under normal circumstances he'd be an acceptable general election candidate but cutting a deal and ignoring the will of the primary voters will make his a very weak candidate.

yeah but you asked what kasich was doing, im just explaining that he has a decent chance of getting the nomination, as i explained above i think the issue of pissed of primary voters is a wash because cruz and trump can actually sink the whole entire republican party including their congressional majorities and governorships

so the question for the delelgates is do you piss off some rednecks and white trash or do you sink your whole entire party, its a pretty easy choice
 

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He's an egomaniac, just like Trump, albeit in a more reserved manner. Politicians delude themselves until it's no longer possible. He's hoping Trump doesn't get the delegates, so it's a contested convention and since Cruz is objectionable to anybody not a religious constitutionalist, he thinks he has a shot at getting the nod, since he's the most "establishment". What his ego is shielding right now is that if the GOP is willing to ignore the will of the voters, they will do whatever they want, so they won't be beholden to the final 3 candidates. They'll open it up and choose whoever the fukk they want. After the establishment jumped from Bush to Rubio, yet hasn't dumped money into his coffers, should be a hint to him that he doesn't have a shot.
 

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Honestly I think there's a good chance that Trump ends up with enough delegates to get the nomination.

But even if he doesn't, if the delegates overrode the voters and gave the nomination to Kaisch (or Cruz) instead I could see a lot of Trump voters getting pissed and staying home on election night. And that's not even bringing up the possibility that Trump runs 3rd party if they do that.
Trump has to win 52-53% of all remaining delegates to secure the nomination. It could happen but it's unlikely. Odds are he'll end up just short of the required number. Probably around 100 delegates short. The question is can he then get enough unbound delegates to push him over the edge.

Personally I don't see how Trump doesn't come out of the convention the nominee at this point. Kasich is just wasting his time unless he has some other motive.
 

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If the establishment steals this from Trump, then it's clear we don't live in a democracy/Republic and folks should just quit voting. And start putting these politicians where they belong either in jail and/or in body bags. This is bigger than Trump.

That's just the truth.
 

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Trump has to win 52-53% of all remaining delegates to secure the nomination. It could happen but it's unlikely. Odds are he'll end up just short of the required number. Probably around 100 delegates short. The question is can he then get enough unbound delegates to push him over the edge.

Personally I don't see how Trump doesn't come out of the convention the nominee at this point. Kasich is just wasting his time unless he has some other motive.
Well, according to the rules changes from 2012 to screw Ron Paul, the candidates need to win a minimum of 8 states in order to have their name on the ballot. I'm hoping that Trump doesn't secure enough delegates before the convention, so they can try to have another rule change on the spot, and more people see how shady the establishment is and hopefully push more into a 3rd party.
 
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