What is the apex land predator/animal? Who'd come out on top
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I'm sure some did hunt them out of necessity. but that link is pretty inconclusive. I would think one possibility it doesn't mention is that perhaps that saber-toothed tiger just couldn't compete with man
the real reason we survived (besides tools and planning etc.) is cause we're collaborative and social. in the end working in a tribe like lions is going to win out over being a bunch of tigers.
you still need individuals who're highly skilled at throwing a spear or hitting something with a club but they have a lot of support, people flanking the animal, others seeing where the animal went, someone back at the settlement cooking the food and building the shelter... collaboration is the GOAT advantage
you still need individuals who're highly skilled at throwing a spear or hitting something with a club but they have a lot of support, people flanking the animal, others seeing where the animal went, someone back at the settlement cooking the food and building the shelter... collaboration is the GOAT advantage
Julius Skrrvin
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obviously taking down lesser prey would have been easier, not to mention often more palatable. croc is generally pretty tasty tho
. but hunting these apex predators was often considered a sign of manhood or a requirement for ascenscion to a position of power. thats why pelts from some e of these animals is so prized and theyve been hunted to near extinction. its estimated that 80% of tiger deaths are caused by humans. it makes me wonder if our grandchildren will see any 
Julius Skrrvin
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i argued with a friend yesterday about this and i was contendjng that the base behind our position of power is the utility of our language. the ability to store refine and incorporate direct experiences into our strategems is
status. we have the ability to change tactics generationally without modification of genetics and in this world its equivalent to Aimbot in Counterstrike.
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obviously taking down lesser prey would have been easier, not to mention often more palatable. croc is generally pretty tasty tho
For real, I have respect for these tribes and our ancestors.
I've been out there before with a crossbow and some fishing line to make traps, struggling my ass off to catch some little ass animal and my success rate was piss poor. Couldn't imagine doing it with spears, rock tools, and rudimentary traps. I need to step my game up.
Had much better success when I took the Rifle and the hit the Deer Stand.
it's different tactics for different environments. lions and humans come from a similar grassland environment, where you can see each other and use some form of coordination when hunting
this is a very suspicious oversimplification. humans hunt in the jungle too.. they do it through coordination there too. and my point isn't just about the hunt but also about the way coordination supports the hunting functions by people specializing in different things
suspicious?
my point was that humans and lions arrived at their similar tactics in a similar (possibly pretty much the same) environment. and tigers were in a different environment. I don't think there's anything inherently superior about those different tactics. they're just suited for different environments
breh there are a lot of animals in grasslands that aren't tribe hunters. this is a totally unsupportable point. You're essentially just guessing.
Th3G3ntleman
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Not gonna lie. This is one of the better threads in HL. No personal attack nonsense plus the subject matter is . Got to give it to the Tiger though. They kinda bytch made but they strong as fukk.
. Got to give it to the Tiger though. They kinda bytch made but they strong as fukk.you're looking at it from the wrong angle. it wouldn't benefit tigers to hunt in large groups. and for that matter, the lion's tactics wouldn't work in the tiger's environment
Prodigital
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Suprised komodo dragons don't get any love. They basically have armor, poison, and muscle mass on their sides. I think only thing that could take a komodo is an elephant by stepping on it, but they're pretty fast too.
sure. I was using lions as a metaphor. I thought you were saying that lions and humans are the same cause we came from the same environment. That said, collaboration among humans works in every environment. Ice age = we killed mammoths. Jungles = we kill everything. Open plains = buffalo massacre. We don't have to fight these animals, we just have to plan how to kill them
OneManGang
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This thread to me was over at Polar bear. Tigers aren't even that successful in their own natural habitats. Their kill success rates are very low. Tigers are one of the most majestic animals on Earth ya, but cougars (mountain lions) are much more accomplished hunters. A tiger isnt going to attack unless it can stalk you up to pouncing distance. In that case, its a wrap...but if it misses, or an animal sees it a tiger doesnt have the attributes to run it down. The Tiger as a Predator