What is the real issue on H.L.? ( A Discussion Thread)

[Poitier]

 

[MostReal]

Yeah well I'm not a baby.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Or maybe posters like you and the OP are just logically-handicapped morons who cowardly hide behind this canard of people trying to stifle your opinions, when really your arguments just melt under factual scrutiny like ants under a magnifying class.

Everybody who makes shytty arguments chock-full of gaping logical craters and a tenuous grasp of facts whines about how the garbage they spew is being stifled, dismissed, or somehow not respected, whether it's in news media, academia, or a message board subforum. But nobody is being stifled, you're free to say what you want, and arguments do not deserve respect by their mere existence; they are judged on their merits by observers. If you don't like the judgment your arguments get, suck it up and stop whining like a bytch or

Pretty much every semi-tenable argument on the usual topics has been addressed and put through the scrutinizing wringer multiple times, so this victim role you and some others try to play with this accusation of stifling an intellectual environment is quite disingenuous. Some people don't feel like going through the same motions over and over and over again, so they might just give a flippant or sarcastic remark and k.i.m. For instance, somebody asks how homosexuality is different from bestiality, incest, or pedophilia like every week.

And some arguments are absurdly ridiculous, many believe they don't warrant a response. I mean you once made a thread asking why isn't it okay for strangers to touch babies. Do you really expect people to be like, "Well sir, I don't think it's ethical to touch random babies because..."? On a hip-hop, sports, and comedy message board?

Im not sure if you were responding to my post necessarily, specifically because you quoted someone else, but you referenced some of the language I used..I didn't claim to be a victim, nor do I personally feel particularly stifled in this environment in most cases..but I can see how some could feel that way. I agree that some topics/arguments posted, are fairly ridiculous, but that is subjective. As long as they are backed by enough tangible evidence to be debated intellectually then the thread has credence. Just like in other parts of the website, if a particular topic continues to come up, people should just let the thread die or merge it into a giant thread on the topic (if it is popular enough). Sometimes, a topic will be rehashed, and the same people will be going back and forth throwing dirt on each other, and I think it discourages some others from getting substantively involved. If there are two main parties involved, and they are providing good arguments, then that is a different story, but just smiley tossing and name calling isn't whats good.

Some threads just should be deleted if they are wildly extreme and not backed by any significant evidence or philosophical arguments. Threads with shock titles and one or two sentence OP's shouldn't really have a place here TBH. I do think there should be room for minority opinions and we should have a flourishing intellectual community, where people can, perhaps, come to a higher learning, but, in addressing your point, threads like your second example, specifically, should be thrown to the bushes. I do think it's off-base to bring up that it is a hip-hop/sports/comedy message board, because although the vast majority of members here do have a significant interest in at least one of those areas, there is a reason why Higher Learning is here. It's to have (fairly) scholarly debates on legitimate topics/news of the day. While not every post has to be a miniature research paper that could be peer reviewed and put in an academic database, people should either take the time to offer a legitimate response or two, or put in the effort to have a reasonable back and forth of lesser length..or, instead, just simply ignore the topic. Personal insults and trolling might not discourage the brave hearted or the regulars from going at it, but it could be affecting potential new members, or some users from participating in certain threads because they know where it's going.

We recently had a fairly good back and forth on the Libertarian/Asteroid topic, and I thought that was an original, and thought provoking thread. I believe we, possibly, opened up each other's comprehension of different aspects of the topic and others dabbled in the thread as well. We need more of that. We, for the most part, kept the subject at hand in the spotlight, and I think that needs to happen more often, that's all.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

And there are some good topics with minimal responses, as long as they are on topic. The library thread has been fairly interesting, despite a short OP. I think this forum is a good place for open ended topics that just pose a simple question as well, in addition to what I have mentioned, as long as they are unique and can evoke some intelligent posting.

 

[Kritic]

the deal with hl is that the devils are full force in this board and use admins to shut ppl and threads down.
they have their agendas and whatnot and if you disagree with them they have this grudge and take it with them on everything you say. they give admin daps and stuff and know how to manipulate them. typical devil behaviors. i don't even know who admins are besides broke wave and brown pride users. and with admins some of us are tri and quad-polar; we can dap them but when they get manipulated by them ppl to come at us they know what we're gonna do. these devils are good at plays us against admins.

if you're not under these devils spell you are the enemy. i've been lurking a few years working on some sh1t and this board needed me . when i came through to enlighten muthafuccas with that in yo face style, it shook up these devils and they're in panic mode right now.

the best thing ever said was how they run to admins more than they run to their mothers. \

i understand some of you ppl are reactionists to these devils realities but not everyone is.

sub-forum is now mostly propaganda.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Im not sure if you were respony because you quoted someone else, but you referenced some of the language I used..I didn't claim to be a victim, nor do I personally feel particularly stifled in this environment in most cases..but I can see how some could feel that way. I agree that some topics/arguments posted, are fairly ridiculous but that is subjective. As long as they are backed by enough tangible evidence to be debated intellectually then the thread has credence. Just like in other parts of the website, if a particular topic continues to come up, people should just let the thread die or merge it into a giant thread on the topic (if it is popular enough). Sometimes, a topic will be rehashed, and the same people will be going back and forth throwing dirt on each other, and I think it discourages some others from getting substantively involved.

Some threads just should be deleted if they are wildly extreme and not backed by any significant evidence or philosophical arguments. Threads with shock titles and one or two sentence OP's shouldn't really have a place here TBH. I do think there should be room for minority opinions and we should have a flourishing intellectual community, where people can, perhaps, come to a higher learning, but, in addressing your point, threads like your second example, specifically, should be thrown to the bushes. I do think it's off-base to bring up that it is a hip-hop/sports/comedy message board, because although the vast majority of members here do have a significant interest in at least one of those areas, there is a reason why Higher Learning is here. It's to have (fairly) scholarly debates on legitimate topics/news of the day. While not every post has to be a miniature research paper that could be peer reviewed and put in an academic database, people should either take the time to offer a legitimate response or two, or put in the effort to have a reasonable back and forth of lesser length..or, instead, just simply ignore the topic. Personal insults and trolling might not discourage the brave hearted or the regulars from going at it, but it could be affecting potential new members, or some users from participating in certain threads because they know where it's going.

We recently had a fairly good back and forth on the Libertarian/Asteroid topic, and I thought that was an original, and thought provoking thread. I believe we, possibly, opened up each other's comprehension of different aspects of the topic and others dabbled in the thread as well. We need more of that. We, for the most part, kept the subject at hand in the spotlight, and I think that needs to happen more often, that's all.

Wasn't talking about you at all. Obviously, we diverge in political ideology, but based on the asteroid convo, you seem quite reasonable to me.

Regarding the hip-hop, sports, comedy thing, there has to be a little balance. I find it unreasonable when I see people talk like HL is supposed to be some strict, 100% fukkery-free academic-style debate subforum. This is site full of slapstick, cartoonish fukkery and black humor. That's always been the nature of the site, and most of the HL posters post in other areas. So it'sa bit unrealistic to expect the trolling to have an automatic off switch in HL...especially considering many of the topics covered here extend into the realm of the absurd, primarily politics which is the most talked about topic.

But you don't want the fukkery, and trolling, and beef to obscure and override the debates.

I personally don't mind the fukkery too much as long as the people doing it can bring insight and knowledge along with it and addressing topics and arguments substantively. I'd rather have 5 broke waves than one kingsmen.

But if someone makes a thread called "Why can't I do whatever I want to a baby?" I don't think they have much room to complain about the reaction they get.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

'White' people should all be exterminated.

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[Berniewood Hogan]

devils

YOU ROUTINELY CITE FASCISM BLOGS AND NEO-NAZI FORUMS, SO THE ONLY DEVIL I SEE HERE IS YOU, BROTHER!

 

[Kritic]

YOU ROUTINELY CITE FASCISM BLOGS AND NEO-NAZI FORUMS, SO THE ONLY DEVIL I SEE HERE IS YOU, BROTHER!

fuq you talkin bout n1gga..
i live my life and come up with my own conclusions.


edit: i missed the mail guy and was at the post office yesterday and this devil bytch asks me why i have all my sh1t media mail (to save money). i said cause they're magazines bytch. so the bytch shakes the boxes. i'm like what the fuq is this sh1t.
i got a call from the post office today to come pick up my sh1t that they wont send my sh1t.

you gonna tell me that white bytch ain't the devil?


if you dont like my posting you can always hit the ignore button.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Yeah well I'm not a baby.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

These two deadly concoctions = Stifled hiring learning environment overall.

Frequent violators:

@Broletariat

sorry that I have seemed to stifle your learning and development. I view this as an especially heinous series of acts on my part given your overall developmental retardation and probable positive results on the autism spectrum.

Get tested.

 

[Dooby]

sorry that I have seemed to stifle your learning and development. I view this as an especially heinous series of acts on my part given your overall developmental retardation and probable positive results on the autism spectrum.

Get tested.

The same goes for you too. Lol autism. You have some nerve. See me in 5 years.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

its hard to take a lot of the ignorant people here seriously, no facts, faulty science, anti science... its all very American.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

The same goes for you too. Lol autism. You have some nerve. See me in 5 years.

you make lots of posts questioning social norms, advocate for shut ins, seem confused as to why people can't touch babies etc.... All of this sounds a lot like a clear set of indicators of the lack of social skills people on the autism spectrum usually struggle with. Seriously, get tested before the DSM-V comes out. Some serious Asperger's, breh.

 

[88m3]

sorry that I have seemed to stifle your learning and development. I view this as an especially heinous series of acts on my part given your overall developmental retardation and probable positive results on the autism spectrum.

Get tested.

I think you're on to something honestly.

It also doesn't help that a large percent of the population read on a grade school level.