What is the real issue on H.L.? ( A Discussion Thread)

[88m3]

If you align yourself with @theworldismine13 and @Hiphoplives4eva, I'll probably brand you an idiot fairly quickly

 

[DEAD7]

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

If you align yourself with @theworldismine13 and @Hiphoplives4eva, I'll probably brand you an idiot fairly quickly

So says the so called "pcp syncophant"


Let me guess, you're a flaming liberal right? I'm sure your dumbass cries like a bytch to the mods everytime you read one of my posts you disagree with? You should probably put down the pcp and go read a fukking book idiot. Or better yet, take your emotional ass to another forum fukk nikka.

 

[Blackking]

This clown stay randomly mentioning me and throwing salty barbs while simultaneously claiming he's not dissing me. Been doing that shyt since like 2010. I guess it's just in his nature.

Anyway, I'm flattered that you would think I have the ability to marshall a change in the posting dynamic of a forum, but nah I didn't start any "gay ass shyt." People have their own minds. Just because people who congregate to a certain pocket of cyberspace happen to have similar worldviews doesn't mean groupthink is going on. If you take black 20 something year old hip-hop fans with above average IQs who are interested in politics, philosophy, religion, etc., and choose to post about it on a message board you're bound to find that they trend liberal and nonreligious.

so basically, as usual, what I said is true.

and not every observation is a diss. and u were previously mentioned.

 

[thekingsmen]

The biggest problem in HL is everyone has a persecution complex and whines whenever things don't go their way and they have VERY short memories. We've addressed how things are done enough to the point where I'll just @Brown_Pride do it if he wants. As for the Israel thread.....it was requested to be thrown in the bushes well before you said anything and I refused...I mean the posts are still right there in the thread. @thekingsmen what you don't get is that I've gotten PMs and reported posts numerous times about people who get upset about how people like you post. They claim that trolls and "anti-intellectuals" are ruining the board and that BP and I are fukking up just letting guys like @iLLaV3 run freely. So this idea that we're somehow against you is ridiculous.

Your problem is with your fellow HL posters who come in your threads just to be disrespectful and to demean you and not to contribute in a constructive manner because they think you're not making any sense. I can only ban so many people from threads or delete their posts before I'm basically a babysitter (and I've done it a lot). You guys need to sort that out on your own because there's no way we can moderate that 24-7, we've tried too many times and it always blows up into something big.

Many of those posters who get upset are exactly the reason why they should avoid the thread all together. How many threads can you delete because the person get emotional about it. If they don't like the subject then don't enter the thread plain and simple. This is why I addressed it earlier in the post. Im not blaming all mods but you know damn well most who complain about me are well known in this forum as trolls.

 

[thekingsmen]

Exactly.

I just think it's funny that the guy who's complaining (@thekingsmen) is in essence a part of the problem. He essentially wants one opinion to reign supreme and any that differs from his to be silenced.


Don't even get me started with @iLLaV3

Really what opinion should reign supreme here Czar? Many good posters are on here getting their threads deleted yet you seem to be emotional about something else.

 

[thekingsmen]

Or maybe posters like you and the OP are just logically-handicapped morons who cowardly hide behind this canard of people trying to stifle your opinions, when really your arguments just melt under factual scrutiny like ants under a magnifying class.

Everybody who makes shytty arguments chock-full of gaping logical craters and a tenuous grasp of facts whines about how the garbage they spew is being stifled, dismissed, or somehow not respected, whether it's in news media, academia, or a message board subforum. But nobody is being stifled, you're free to say what you want, and arguments do not deserve respect by their mere existence; they are judged on their merits by observers. If you don't like the judgment your arguments get, suck it up and stop whining or

Pretty much every semi-tenable argument on the usual topics has been addressed and put through the scrutinizing wringer multiple times, so this victim role you and some others try to play with this accusation of stifling an intellectual environment is quite disingenuous. Some people don't feel like going through the same motions over and over and over again, so they might just give a flippant or sarcastic remark and k.i.m. For instance, somebody asks how homosexuality is different from bestiality, incest, or pedophilia like every week.

And some arguments are so absurdly ridiculous, many believe they don't warrant a serious, clinically-detached response. I mean you once made a thread asking why isn't it okay for strangers to touch babies. Do you really expect people to be like, "Well sir, I don't think it's ethical to touch random babies because..."? On a hip-hop, sports, and comedy message board?

This is the same poster who crying in the thread when Brown Pride or one of the other mods for H.L. issued out warning for people who troll. Also I can expose you now in basically 95% of my threads. You Also the same guy who makes threads on H.L. attacking individual posters.
You like them and you are bytching on here. If you don't like the thread or subject stay your ass out.

 

[thekingsmen]

Im not sure if you were responding to my post necessarily, specifically because you quoted someone else, but you referenced some of the language I used..I didn't claim to be a victim, nor do I personally feel particularly stifled in this environment in most cases..but I can see how some could feel that way. I agree that some topics/arguments posted, are fairly ridiculous, but that is subjective. As long as they are backed by enough tangible evidence to be debated intellectually then the thread has credence. Just like in other parts of the website, if a particular topic continues to come up, people should just let the thread die or merge it into a giant thread on the topic (if it is popular enough). Sometimes, a topic will be rehashed, and the same people will be going back and forth throwing dirt on each other, and I think it discourages some others from getting substantively involved. If there are two main parties involved, and they are providing good arguments, then that is a different story, but just smiley tossing and name calling isn't whats good.

Some threads just should be deleted if they are wildly extreme and not backed by any significant evidence or philosophical arguments. Threads with shock titles and one or two sentence OP's shouldn't really have a place here TBH. I do think there should be room for minority opinions and we should have a flourishing intellectual community, where people can, perhaps, come to a higher learning, but, in addressing your point, threads like your second example, specifically, should be thrown to the bushes. I do think it's off-base to bring up that it is a hip-hop/sports/comedy message board, because although the vast majority of members here do have a significant interest in at least one of those areas, there is a reason why Higher Learning is here. It's to have (fairly) scholarly debates on legitimate topics/news of the day. While not every post has to be a miniature research paper that could be peer reviewed and put in an academic database, people should either take the time to offer a legitimate response or two, or put in the effort to have a reasonable back and forth of lesser length..or, instead, just simply ignore the topic. Personal insults and trolling might not discourage the brave hearted or the regulars from going at it, but it could be affecting potential new members, or some users from participating in certain threads because they know where it's going.

We recently had a fairly good back and forth on the Libertarian/Asteroid topic, and I thought that was an original, and thought provoking thread. I believe we, possibly, opened up each other's comprehension of different aspects of the topic and others dabbled in the thread as well. We need more of that. We, for the most part, kept the subject at hand in the spotlight, and I think that needs to happen more often, that's all.

This is the best response in the whole thread. Thank you.

 

[thekingsmen]

its hard to take a lot of the ignorant people here seriously, no facts, faulty science, anti science... its all very American.

Depends on what discussed and how people accept information that isn't of their liking. Good or bad info is still info.

 

[thekingsmen]

lol, I don't have a problem w any poster in HL.. Some are more stiff than others, but most are OK for what this is.......... a forum.

I think people have strong opinions.. so they go hard with the pov. Others have opinions that are 'commonly accepted' so they simply call people idiots without actually explaining their pov. That works well in the booth, or trl.... but not HL.

Your an idiot' doesn't work unless the point is clear. If I said all atheist are child molesters.... sure call me a fool. But if I said that democrats are right on immigration... don't come through with the stfu fool.

Word sometimes people assume because I debate with a individual that means I have a problem with them. That's not true. They then attack every thread Im in. They make it personal especially since I disagreed with them. I have a life outside this site but apparently some don't.

 

[thekingsmen]

@Brown_Pride . Here is a suggested statement.

If a thread is in the contents of the rules of H.L. it should be allowed to stay. If a poster doesn't like the subject, then they have an option of not entering the thread to avoid further issues. Keeps the freedom of speech going.

 

[Liu Kang]

I got bored. I was going to change it to Voltaire to match the quote in my sig but I couldn't get with having that dude in my avi. That and because I'm going to be spending less time around outside of just modding and I figured that if people couldn't @ me they'd resort to @ BP but that hasn't worked

Off-topic but Voltaire never said that.
It's from Evelyn Beatrice Hall who wrote a biography of him ('The friends of Voltaire") and wrongly attributed him that quote and its even Hall's own quote she wrote to sum up Voltaire's philosophy.
She once wrote a letter to somebody in which she stated that it was "her own expression and [that it] should not have been put in inverted commas", apologizing for it.
Even here in France, most of the people think Voltaire said that.

But I agree with the logic of the quote.
So if you like that quote so much, change your name to E.B. Hall

 

[Liu Kang]

On topic, I disagree with the thread.
I'm sorry but when there are posters who willingly create misguiding, wrongful, hateful or simply troll threads, said threads should be deleted. Freedom of speech my ass. The quality of a forum is equal to the quality of the threads made. If we let all type of threads live, HL (as in Higher Learning) will be a joke.

HL tends to the left/liberal, it's true
And I agree that people who doesn't think like that should have every rights to express different opinions. It's not even debatable. Because it's absolutely fine if we can discuss, debate and have confrontational views if everything is done with courtesy like the gentlemen we should be in here.
But we gotta stop passing opinions as facts, thoughts as truths and maybe HL's quality level will rise.

This sub-forum should have multiple rules which we should follow in order to maintain a certain credibility standard.
- Quoting sources
- Backing up claims (studies, interviews, videos) when they are not opinions
- Stating when opinions/thoughts are so.
- No cursing, no smileys, no SMS writing etc.

I'm even all for conspiracy threads if they have sources. Because they are debatable that way.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

It's always been like this though, say whatever you want about black women, arabs, muslims, asians/indians and it's all fair game. Make a couple of Jews uncomfortable and threads are straight up locked people like @Princepality of Zeon get banned but known trolls who add nothing to discussion whatsoever like @88m3 get to do their thing. if somebody makes one thread about how Aids was man-made it's considered spam, but 8 threads a day can be made within a 20 minute span calling muslims the scourge of the planet earth and the mods wont do shyt.

Not too long ago I was straight up banned from a thread, I couldn't respond, and I couldn't even VIEW the discussion. When I asked a mod about it he said it was because two well-known members here (I wont name names) requested it the fukk kind of shyt is that?

As for the posters mentioned, I'm one of the main people that was arguing with those "trouble-makers" in the Hidden Colors thread, but I don't want to see @iLLaV3 or anybody else that was in there banned. Wanting members banned because you don't like what they have to say is corny.

anyway it used to bother me too but I don't give a fukk anymore really. Just acknowledge it and keep it moving, it's not like we pay to post here.

 

[Kritic]

because two well-known members here (I wont name names) requested it