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Interesting article I completely agree with.

Jay Z thinks he has found a solution to a problem that's vexed artists lately: How to make money off their songs. On Monday, the music tyc00n unveiled a new streaming service, Tidal, which he recently purchased for $56 million. Flanked by a cadre of other stars, including his wife Beyonce, Kanye West, and Jack White, Jay Z announced that the majority of Tidal will be artist-owned.

Think of it as a worker co-operative—with one key caveat.

Monday’s announcement did not specify exactly how the streaming service would work, but it did provide a basic overview. Tidal has two subscription levels: $9.99 per month for standard music quality, one at $19.99 per month for higher quality. Unlike other music streaming services like Spotify, Rdio, and Google Play, Tidal will not offer an ad-supported free subscription. Artists on Tidal will offer “windows” of limited exclusivity to their new music, an incentive for fans to purchase subscriptions and hear their favorite artist’s music before it's available elswhere. The 16 artists who have inked exclusive deals—most of whom were on hand for the announcement—have each been given 3 percent equity in the company, according to Billboard.

There are a number of problems with this approach. First, Tidal must convince consumers to purchase the subscriptions. As of Monday, Tidal had 540,000 subscribers, compared to Spotify’s 60 million active users and 15 million paid subscribers. It will be a major battle to convince consumers using a free streaming service to fork over $10 a month to Tidal. Additionally, it’s hard to imagine there’s much of a market for Tidal’s $20, high quality subscription. That may attract certain music lovers but the rest of us are satisfied with the standard quality. For consumers who want to use their device on mobile, high quality music—and especially HD music videos—will burn through data very quickly.1

The second problem is that artists often don’t have control over their music. The record label does. This is the big caveat about thinking of Tidal as a worker co-op. If the artist wants to provide an exclusive “window” to Tidal, the label must sign off on that plan. There’s no reason to think that most labels will do that. Jay Z, with his record label Roc Nation, has an advantage here. He can give artists permission in advance to launch their new music exclusively on Tidal, which is why it’s no surprise that some of the artists—Calvin Harris and Rihanna—who have initially signed on are Roc Nation clients. But as Tidal tries to expand and must attract artists from other record labels, Jay Z will face a big question: Will those labels agree to launch music exclusively on Tidal? I’m skeptical, especially when other streaming services have more than 100 times as many active users. In the end, the record labels remain in control.

Finally, it’s not clear how far this worker-ownership will extend. If the original 16 artists each received a 3 percent stake in Tidal, that’s nearly half the company already disbursed. Presumably, Jay Z intends to keep a large chunk as well. If Jay Z intends to allow all artists an ownership stake in Tidal, how much will less famous artists receive? I don’t expect those details to become public, at least not anytime soon. But it’s an important consideration. If Tidal ends up mostly owned by global music icons and leaves behind thousands of other artists, then it will not ensure artists are fairly compensated for their work. It’ll just be a way for the richest artists to get even richer.

Still, if the main problem with Tidal is that it unequally distributes profits, it will have succeeded. In that situation, the company would have both accumulated a big subscription base and made significant profits from those users. The latter point is far harder than it sounds. Streaming music services like Spotify are struggling to improve their profits even as the number of users grows rapidly. The real profits are instead flowing to the record labels.

Ultimately, Jay Z has set his sights on the wrong target. It's not companies like Spotify that are preventing music artists from receiving their just rewards. It's the record labels—and there's nothing inherent about Tidal that will break the record labels' stranglehold on the industry. Why does Jay Z think he'll be able to succeed in doing what Spotify and other streaming services have failed to do? There's no question that he has shown great savvy and success in the music business, but perhaps it's going to his head.

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Tidal says it is coming out with an offline option soon so that customers can download music in advance (so they can still listen if they are riding the subway, for instance, on the way to work). That will help allow customers to use tons of data but users will invariably want to switch songs while they are not on WiFi. With high quality music and videos, that problem is largely unavoidable.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121421/jay-zs-new-music-streaming-service-tidal-has-many-flaws
 

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According to them it will in future pay 2-3 times more, less spent on staff and marketing? Dynamic deals with publishers?
I don't know how but it's music business people involved, Spotify marketing bucks have been amazingly huge and the plan is to dominate the market and set themselves up to be able to deliver higher returns to artists/wider margins per song.

I read about some "no name" band that said that before they bought it, 0.0240 is what they got which is 3 times higher than Spotify didn't mention if it was the lossless or the normal subs, I'm assuming that they pay out one fee instead of paying taxes twice. There's no indication of the $9.99 option not being in the same range.


Except the BS ass presentation, I don't see the problem, who the hell wants a monopoly?
Not that I'm going to switch to anything just yet but competition is needed.
Less spent on staff / marketing = less customers, less people to improve the service. I don't buy it.

Spotify knows it's all about growth.It's going to be a high volume game. Gaining more customers. They are individually profitable in certain markets - the UK for example. But they're investing every penny into R&D, royalties (which is a huge bill for them), marketing etc.

The space is hella crowded man. Spotify, Google Play Music, Beats, Pandora, Rdio, Deezer
how do you know that though? you keep saying that as if its set in stone. i’ve seen people who have tested tidal and said they are sticking with it. im not one of them but to say no one cares. thats pretty declaritive. you gonna have to poll music consumers first before we get an idea of what people want. i doubt they neeed millions of users. they have 500, 000 paying subscribers already shyt they already doing good. thats a good independent company.

Because high-quality music has at least 2 touch points if not more. The input (the music), the output (the music system). How many people have high-end headphones (that aren't Beats, a fashion item)? In-ear phones? Portable music systems can't even give you a high-end sound most times. Hi-end music systems for their laptop? High-end music systems in their living room? In their cars? FLAC has been available for awhile now. How many people illegally download their albums in FLAC? How many have tried to move their collection over? Not a significant proportion breh.

That's why I can declare confidently that nobody cares. I don't mean it literally - I mean the market as a whole will be unmoved by Lossless streaming. You also have to figure in the short term it's a killer on 3G/4G plans.


I'm not certain but I think the business will need to have millions of users to turn a profit. Eventually, I think some company will make the distribution of music a loss-leader. Say Google, they'll say eff it. $5 music. We'll try and break even off the data and perhaps cut of concert ticket sales advertisements.
 

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Re: aloe blacc's claim of only making 4k for 168m plays



Both Jay and Blacc are being a little disingenuous: The 168 million streams of “Wake Me Up!” via Pandora generated $12,359, which was split three ways. Of course, Pandora functions more like a radio station than a streaming service — Tidal is not competing with Pandora; it’s competing with Spotify and (soon) Beats Music. Blacc never disclosed what he was paid for the 200 million-plus streams of “Wake Me Up!” on Spotify (the song was indeed the service’s most-played as of February 2014 — although it has since been surpassed). We can speculate, though.

For some context, consider this 2014 article in TIME. Spotify disclosed that it pays between $0.006 and $0.0084 per stream. Based on those numbers, “Wake Me Up!” should have generated between $1,200,000 and $1,680,000 for its songwriting team, which breaks down to between $400,000 and $560,000 per writer — a far cry from $4,000.

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What if Tidal becomes a music store like iTunes on top of being a streaming platform? That enhances their exclusives, because people will go to Tidal to download/buy Beyonce's album, even if they wouldn't go just for the privilege of streaming it a week earlier than everyone. If Tidal can rake in those huge first week sales totals/profits, then they'll be profitable a lot quicker than most expect. Same goes for big singles.
 

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jay bought tidal for $56 milli, 2 weeks later its now worth $250 milli :wow: and they still rolling it out worldwide :takedat:

all the handwringing by the coli accountants :russ: that nikka would make a big profit if he sold it right now.
Well who can he sell it to for $250M?
 

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What if Tidal becomes a music store like iTunes on top of being a streaming platform? That enhances their exclusives, because people will go to Tidal to download/buy Beyonce's album, even if they wouldn't go just for the privilege of streaming it a week earlier than everyone. If Tidal can rake in those huge first week sales totals/profits, then they'll be profitable a lot quicker than most expect. Same goes for big singles.

Dinitial music sales are dropping every year, only a food would also try to compete with iTunes on that
 

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jay bought tidal for $56 milli, 2 weeks later its now worth $250 milli :wow: and they still rolling it out worldwide :takedat:

all the handwringing by the coli accountants :russ: that nikka would make a big profit if he sold it right now.


An already established multi-millionaire (that you have no connection to)... made even more money.

Congrats. Glad you're excited.
 

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An already established multi-millionaire (that you have no connection to)... made even more money.

Congrats. Glad you're excited.


im not excited. im not getting the service. just that the reaction on here has been 95% negative. i would have thought the shyt was dead on arrival. but apparently not. sometimes its good not to follow coli propaganda. i love the coli but lets be honest, nikkaz stuck in a bubble of coli logic.
 
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