What is wrong with Thomas Sowell's perspective on the minimum wage?

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Thomas Sowell: Minimum Wage Madness

Political crusades for raising the minimum wage are back again. Advocates of minimum wage laws often give themselves credit for being more "compassionate" towards "the poor." But they seldom bother to check what are the actual consequences of such laws.

One of the simplest and most fundamental economic principles is that people tend to buy more when the price is lower and less when the price is higher. Yet advocates of minimum wage laws seem to think that the government can raise the price of labor without reducing the amount of labor that will be hired.

When you turn from economic principles to hard facts, the case against minimum wage laws is even stronger. Countries with minimum wage laws almost invariably have higher rates of unemployment than countries without minimum wage laws.

Most nations today have minimum wage laws, but they have not always had them. Unemployment rates have been very much lower in places and times when there were no minimum wage laws.

Switzerland is one of the few modern nations without a minimum wage law. In 2003, "The Economist" magazine reported: "Switzerland's unemployment neared a five-year high of 3.9 percent in February." In February of this year, Switzerland's unemployment rate was 3.1 percent. A recent issue of "The Economist" showed Switzerland's unemployment rate as 2.1 percent.

Most Americans today have never seen unemployment rates that low. However, there was a time when there was no federal minimum wage law in the United States. The last time was during the Coolidge administration, when the annual unemployment rate got as low as 1.8 percent. When Hong Kong was a British colony, it had no minimum wage law. In 1991 its unemployment rate was under 2 percent.





As for being "compassionate" toward "the poor," this assumes that there is some enduring class of Americans who are poor in some meaningful sense, and that there is something compassionate about reducing their chances of getting a job.

Most Americans living below the government-set poverty line have a washer and/or a dryer, as well as a computer. More than 80 percent have air conditioning. More than 80 percent also have both a landline and a cell phone. Nearly all have television and a refrigerator. Most Americans living below the official poverty line also own a motor vehicle and have more living space than the average European — not Europeans in poverty, the average European.

Why then are they called "poor"? Because government bureaucrats create the official definition of poverty, and they do so in ways that provide a political rationale for the welfare state — and, not incidentally, for the bureaucrats' own jobs.

Most people in the lower income brackets are not an enduring class. Most working people in the bottom 20 percent in income at a given time do not stay there over time. More of them end up in the top 20 percent than remain behind in the bottom 20 percent.

There is nothing mysterious about the fact that most people start off in entry level jobs that pay much less than they will earn after they get some work experience. But, when minimum wage levels are set without regard to their initial productivity, young people are disproportionately unemployed — priced out of jobs.

In European welfare states where minimum wages, and mandated job benefits to be paid for by employers, are more generous than in the United States, unemployment rates for younger workers are often 20 percent or higher, even when there is no recession

Unemployed young people lose not only the pay they could have earned but, at least equally important, the work experience that would enable them to earn higher rates of pay later on.

Minorities, like young people, can also be priced out of jobs. In the United States, the last year in which the black unemployment rate was lower than the white unemployment rate — 1930 — was also the last year when there was no federal minimum wage law. Inflation in the 1940s raised the pay of even unskilled workers above the minimum wage set in 1938. Economically, it was the same as if there were no minimum wage law by the late 1940s.

In 1948 the unemployment rate of black 16-year-old and 17-year-old males was 9.4 percent. This was a fraction of what it would become in even the most prosperous years from 1958 on, as the minimum wage was raised repeatedly to keep up with inflation.

Some "compassion" for "the poor"!

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I don't feel like typing up a whole essay on this, but the main problems with Sowell's argument are -


1. Correlation does not imply causation. He is assuming that the reason that unemployment rates were lower decades ago (and the reason that Switzerland has low unemployment rates) is due to lack of a minimum wage but he doesn't offer any proof that this is the case. In truth there are LOTS of other things that could explain this (loss of factory jobs, more people finishing school, child labor laws, transition to a service-based economy, urban decay and jobs being concentrated in affluent areas, etc.) but he expects us to just attribute all of this to minimum wage laws.

2. He also ignores the fact that most people making minimum wage are adults and not inexperienced teenagers.
 

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why don't you find out what's wrong and get back to me. tired of doing nikkas homework for them. these are level 1 neoliberal arguments that a high schooler could dismantle

you should honestly feel embarrassed that you even made this thread and asked that question.
 

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- Minimum Wage Madness

Thomas Sowell: Minimum Wage Madness

Political crusades for raising the minimum wage are back again. Advocates of minimum wage laws often give themselves credit for being more "compassionate" towards "the poor." But they seldom bother to check what are the actual consequences of such laws.

One of the simplest and most fundamental economic principles is that people tend to buy more when the price is lower and less when the price is higher. Yet advocates of minimum wage laws seem to think that the government can raise the price of labor without reducing the amount of labor that will be hired.

When you turn from economic principles to hard facts, the case against minimum wage laws is even stronger. Countries with minimum wage laws almost invariably have higher rates of unemployment than countries without minimum wage laws.

Most nations today have minimum wage laws, but they have not always had them. Unemployment rates have been very much lower in places and times when there were no minimum wage laws.

Switzerland is one of the few modern nations without a minimum wage law. In 2003, "The Economist" magazine reported: "Switzerland's unemployment neared a five-year high of 3.9 percent in February." In February of this year, Switzerland's unemployment rate was 3.1 percent. A recent issue of "The Economist" showed Switzerland's unemployment rate as 2.1 percent.

Most Americans today have never seen unemployment rates that low. However, there was a time when there was no federal minimum wage law in the United States. The last time was during the Coolidge administration, when the annual unemployment rate got as low as 1.8 percent. When Hong Kong was a British colony, it had no minimum wage law. In 1991 its unemployment rate was under 2 percent.





As for being "compassionate" toward "the poor," this assumes that there is some enduring class of Americans who are poor in some meaningful sense, and that there is something compassionate about reducing their chances of getting a job.

Most Americans living below the government-set poverty line have a washer and/or a dryer, as well as a computer. More than 80 percent have air conditioning. More than 80 percent also have both a landline and a cell phone. Nearly all have television and a refrigerator. Most Americans living below the official poverty line also own a motor vehicle and have more living space than the average European — not Europeans in poverty, the average European.

Why then are they called "poor"? Because government bureaucrats create the official definition of poverty, and they do so in ways that provide a political rationale for the welfare state — and, not incidentally, for the bureaucrats' own jobs.

Most people in the lower income brackets are not an enduring class. Most working people in the bottom 20 percent in income at a given time do not stay there over time. More of them end up in the top 20 percent than remain behind in the bottom 20 percent.

There is nothing mysterious about the fact that most people start off in entry level jobs that pay much less than they will earn after they get some work experience. But, when minimum wage levels are set without regard to their initial productivity, young people are disproportionately unemployed — priced out of jobs.

In European welfare states where minimum wages, and mandated job benefits to be paid for by employers, are more generous than in the United States, unemployment rates for younger workers are often 20 percent or higher, even when there is no recession

Unemployed young people lose not only the pay they could have earned but, at least equally important, the work experience that would enable them to earn higher rates of pay later on.

Minorities, like young people, can also be priced out of jobs. In the United States, the last year in which the black unemployment rate was lower than the white unemployment rate — 1930 — was also the last year when there was no federal minimum wage law. Inflation in the 1940s raised the pay of even unskilled workers above the minimum wage set in 1938. Economically, it was the same as if there were no minimum wage law by the late 1940s.

In 1948 the unemployment rate of black 16-year-old and 17-year-old males was 9.4 percent. This was a fraction of what it would become in even the most prosperous years from 1958 on, as the minimum wage was raised repeatedly to keep up with inflation.

Some "compassion" for "the poor"!

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Read 2 paragraphs in and already knew where his argument was wrong. He is assuming we and firms operate in a perfectly competitive market where wages and prices are determined by the market. We know this is not the case because the wages and prices companies have such as Walmart are not determined by a perfectly competitive market. Walmart tomorrow could increase wages to $15 hr because they are not price or wages takers, but rather price and wage setters.

Also, seeing as min wage has not been consistent with inflation, we know this guy is writing this article to push a certain ideology.
 

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Read 2 paragraphs in and already knew where his argument was wrong. He is assuming we and firms operate in a perfectly competitive market where wages and prices are determined by the market. We know this is not the case because the wages and prices companies have such as Walmart are not determined by a perfectly competitive market. Walmart tomorrow could increase wages to $15 hr because they are not price or wages takers, but rather price and wage setters.

Also, seeing as min wage has not been consistent with inflation, we know this guy is writing this article to push a certain ideology.
You can't keep using Walmart to try and win arguments.

I'm not going to accept this from you.
 

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why don't you find out what's wrong and get back to me. tired of doing nikkas homework for them. these are level 1 neoliberal arguments that a high schooler could dismantle

you should honestly feel embarrassed that you even made this thread and asked that question.
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You can't keep using Walmart to try and win arguments.

I'm not going to accept this from you.
That doesn't disqualify the first half of my statement though or the fact that Walmart theis largest employer in the U.S but sure I'll play a long. I stand by my point that we don't exist in perfect markets therefor firms are not price takers and can afford to pay higher wages.

However, another reason why firms can afford a higher min is poorer people who would benefit from a minimum wage have a relatively high marginal propensity to consume. Meaning, if you increase their wages they purchase more items also meaning that firms would sell and make more money because consumers are spending more. This firms, especially our world with no perfectly competitive markets can definitely afford to pay higher wages.

Stop being fooled by neoliberals and their economists so easily
 
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That doesn't disqualify the first half of my ststament though or the fact that Walmart is largest employer in the U.S but sure I'll play a long. I stand by my point that we don't exist in perfect markets therefor firms are not price takes and can afford to pay higher wages.

However, another reason why firms can afford a higher min is poorer people who would benefit from a minimum wage have a relatively high marginal propensity to consume. Meaning if you increase their wages they purchase more items also meaning that firms would sell and make more money because consumers are spending more. This firms especially our world with no perfectly competitive markets can definitely afford to pay higher wages.

Stop being fooled by neoliberals and their economists so easily
So why focus on unemployment numbers so much if people who make low wages will always be held up by a price floor?
 

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So why focus on unemployment numbers so much if people who make low wages will always be held up by a price floor?

Because first to begin with those people are unemployed and therefor are not receiving an income (have no support). Secondly if those people were to get employed the minimum wage, price floor as you called it, would NOT be sufficient support for them, which is exactly why you would need to increase the minimum wage. We know this because the minimum wage is not a living wage and because minimum wage has not been able to keep up with inflation.

So your question really highlights the opposite of your argument, why the minimum wage should actually be increased as it's currently at a level that does not support workers adequately enough.
 

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Depend on human beings in a upper crust market based economy to do the right thing brehs
 
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