What made people stop caring about authenticity in Hip Hop?

[hex]

The 90's.

^^^ Love the 90's, but that is the era where it was more about image and keeping up a facade than being authentic. Some of the best Hip Hop ever, but there was a lot of exaggerated stories of being kingpins and over the top violence that made for good entertainment, but you knew it wasn't real. It was all inspired by movies. What's crazy is that you had acts like The Fugees and The Roots calling it out.

Nah, not at all.

He asked when did people stop caring....not when was it fake. Honestly there was always a level of fraud shyt but the difference between now and then is we had no way of knowing. People know now, and embrace it. It wasn't embraced in the 90's....people like Vanilla Ice and Boss were exposed and ran the fukk out.

Both of them would be super stars now. Hell, Ross just did a video with Vanilla Ice which is mind blowing considering what exposed him back in the day was lying about being from the hood in Florida.

Fred.

 

[Will Ross]

It started with 50 cent

 

[JustCKing]

Nah, not at all.

He asked when did people stop caring....not when was it fake. Honestly there was always a level of fraud shyt but the difference between now and then is we had no way of knowing. People know now, and embrace it. It wasn't embraced in the 90's....people like Vanilla Ice and Boss were exposed and ran the fukk out.

Both of them would be super stars now. Hell, Ross just did a video with Vanilla Ice which is mind blowing considering what exposed him back in the day was lying about being from the hood in Florida.

Fred.

A lot of this still took place in the 90's. People didn't care that a lot of their favorite artists never lived what they rapped about or that a lot of the material was exaggerated. By 1996, it became the norm. The general attitude was as long as it sounded good, people didn't really care whether it was authentic. It was pretty much how convincing you could be in the booth and how convincing you could be with a camera pointed at you. You had artists going at The Roots for calling it out on "What They Do". Then you had Lauryn Hill basically stating a similar sentiment with her lines:

Believe me, fronting nikkas give me heebie-jeebies
So while you're imitating Al Capone
I'll be Nina Simone, and defecating on your microphone

Vanilla Ice was ran out because what he was doing seen as exploitation for monetary gain which was just an overall bad look. With Boss, it was kind of the same deal. Ice nor Boss would be superstars now see Macklemore (one huge album with big singles) or someone like Desiigner who came in sounding like someone else and only had the one hit (not similar to Boss's case, but still a case of not being authentic). Desiigner even had a major co-sign in Kanye.

 

[AMcV'88]

when a certain white rapper's racist tapes were leaked and nobody cared outside of a few rumblings.

 

[hex]

A lot of this still took place in the 90's. People didn't care that a lot of their favorite artists never lived what they rapped about....

I cut down your post because I wanted to talk about this.

There was no way of knowing who was fake back then. Obviously if people were talking about being drug lords or kingpins or whatever the fukk there was a level of embellishment....but I'll give you an example.

When NWA came out people thought they were gangsters. Mostly because there was no way to prove otherwise. I was in highschool when they broke up....and even after Eazy-E exposed Dre people assumed the pics were faked. Because again, they couldn't reconcile the fact that this hardcore gangster rapper was wearing lace and shyt a few years prior. And unlike now, there wasn't Google or the internet to research things.

So the problem ain't shyt turned fake over night. The problem is people can now readily prove shyt is fake, and don't care.

And as far as Vanilla Ice and Boss....we'll have to agree to disagree. A former CO turned into a gangster rapper....both of them would be just fine in this current climate.

Lastly Vanilla Ice was fine in the lane he was in. Which was pop/dance rap like Kid N Play. Nobody took him too seriously. The problems started when he claimed he went to school with Luke (if I remember correctly) and was from some hood in Florida....those lies got exposed pretty quickly and then it was open season. This was still really early in his career, before rappers were really shytting on him, even. Fast forward to now, and we got people like Soulja Boy doing interviews talking about he's from Compton. And nobody bats an eye.

Fred.

 

[semicko82]

Cornballs went from the minority to the majority.

I agree but the lames were making better music than street guys around the mid 00s

 

[K.O.N.Y]

People with a deep appreciation for culture, the arts, etc.

The two 'creators' of this culture are Kool Herc. An NYC transplant from Jamaica who happened to be in the hood. And Bambaataa, a gang leader who was smart enough to say "instead of killing each other on the streets, we can use this new music to unify people and have fun." That's worldly thinking. AKA thinking outside the box on some enlightened shyt.

Other hip hop pioneers were powering speakers through street light poles and shyt. Didn't Grandmaster Flash study electrical engineering prior to being the incredible DJ? These dudes were thinkers and inspired. They're not your average hood dummy no matter how much the lames wanna force it.



Dudes who have no love for hip hop culture and bandwagoned it once it started getting popular. Especially the ones who thought they could start rapping just because they were actually in the streets/were affiliated/use a narrative and thought they could make a quick buck. NORE is from the streets but he's obviously a hip hop nerd and made inspired music. Dudes like him don't count. It's the wack nikkas like Jeezy who brought nothing to the culture. All they do is rip off themes/ideas/swag that actual rappers like Nas/Jay-Z/Rakim/Wu etc put out there and profit off doing the watered-down version for cac approval.

I'm not telling you anything you haven't already seen if you've really been observing this hip hop shyt for a while.



hope that helps. I also hope I haven't wasted my time.

this is false

dude was right. Hip hop was a community driven effort made by people who lived in the hood growing up on funk and disco

 

[Zero]

the majority of the fanbase is not from the block

they aren't from the neighborhood that produces the culture

so they don't care who's legit

hungry opportunists accept this & see they can now push anyone & anything to to burbs

what is popping on a commercial level & what folks are listening to in their own neighborhoods are often very different

there's two sides

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Realest reply in here

 

[JustCKing]

I cut down your post because I wanted to talk about this.

There was no way of knowing who was fake back then. Obviously if people were talking about being drug lords or kingpins or whatever the fukk there was a level of embellishment....but I'll give you an example.

When NWA came out people thought they were gangsters. Mostly because there was no way to prove otherwise. I was in highschool when they broke up....and even after Eazy-E exposed Dre people assumed the pics were faked. Because again, they couldn't reconcile the fact that this hardcore gangster rapper was wearing lace and shyt a few years prior. And unlike now, there wasn't Google or the internet to research things.

So the problem ain't shyt turned fake over night. The problem is people can now readily prove shyt is fake, and don't care.

And as far as Vanilla Ice and Boss....we'll have to agree to disagree. A former CO turned into a gangster rapper....both of them would be just fine in this current climate.

Lastly Vanilla Ice was fine in the lane he was in. Which was pop/dance rap like Kid N Play. Nobody took him too seriously. The problems started when he claimed he went to school with Luke (if I remember correctly) and was from some hood in Florida....those lies got exposed pretty quickly and then it was open season. This was still really early in his career, before rappers were really shytting on him, even. Fast forward to now, and we got people like Soulja Boy doing interviews talking about he's from Compton. And nobody bats an eye.

Fred.

Artists were getting exposed by other artists in the 90's, but nobody cared as long as they were still popular. The fact that people thought the Dre pics were faked proves the general attitude: people really didn't care because 1) Dre was popular 2) he sounded and looked convincing. People who really were in the streets could tell whether or not it was authentic. It just got to the point where it went unchecked because they had entourages that consisted of people who really did the dirt that they rapped about.

It definitely didn't turn fake overnight and the 90's was an era where it became common place to uphold an image even if it's fake.

Ross is not fine in this climate. Dude got exposed for being a CO last decade. It wasn't like he was at the peak of his career when he got exposed. He was in the middle of an album rollout and the said album was far less successful than his previous two. Had he not had the run that started with "BMF" and "MC Hammer", he would've been finished. This speaks to the fact that people generally do not care about authenticity as long as they like the music.

Ice getting exposed had little effect. He was never taken seriously to begin with so him getting exposed is a moot point. In regard to Soulja Boy, he is pretty much a reality television celebrity now. He could claim anything and wouldn't be taken seriously because his music isn't exactly hot anymore.

 

[DatNkkaCutty]

I agree but the lames were making better music than street guys around the mid 00s

2005

Weezy (Carter 2)
Jeezy (Thug Motivation)
Game (The Documentary)
Jim Jones (Diary of a Summer)
50 (The Massacare)
B. Siegel (The B. Coming)

What really happened is the rap "agenda" started to soften up the culture...

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[semicko82]

2005

Weezy (Carter 2)
Jeezy (Thug Motivation)
Game (The Documentary)
Jim Jones (Diary of a Summer)
50 (The Massacare)
B. Siegel (The B. Coming)

What really happened is the rap "agenda" started to soften up the culture...

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Late Registration was the best album of 05 IMO followed by Be. Not taking away from those albums above.

 

[DatNkkaCutty]

Late Registration was the best album of 05 IMO followed by Be. Not taking away from those albums above.[/QUOTE]

Ill give you Late Registration...BE is a classic. Ill take Carter 2 before LR but I like street shyt... Ye was getting the only push tho around that time. He's the direction they wanted the culture to go...the Cudis...the Lupes....etc

 

[semicko82]

Late Registration was the best album of 05 IMO followed by Be. Not taking away from those albums above.

Ill give you Late Registration...BE is a classic. Ill take Carter 2 before LR but I like street shyt... Ye was getting the only push tho around that time. He's the direction they wanted the culture to go...the Cudis...the Lupes....etc[/QUOTE]
I like street music also but I have to give due, the Drakes and Kendrick Lamars are making better music

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

the first thing that came to mind was rick ross being a CO.
careen ending in the 90s and even in the early to middle 2000s
when the fans let that slide, it opened the door for other shyt

It's terrible that you should be a criminal to be a rapper.
You can rap about mature things to.

 

[seemorecizzy]

It's terrible that you should be a criminal to be a rapper.
You can rap about mature things to.

you don't have to be a criminal to be a rapper