What Made You An Atheist?

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He created them didn’t he? Free Will is a paradox you can’t give someone free will because that in itself is not free will. Free will was forced upon on this I didn’t have a choice in having free will and living in a evil world or being a slave and living in a perfect world
Yes, he created them. However, humans are that humans. G-d created humans and it's not g-d's fault that humans can be evil. Like Is said, humans have a choice.
 
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I think the best way to describe me as a deist. I just don't believe in God in the traditional monotheistic sense. I actually believe there's a higher power. I just don't know if it concerns itself with the nature of humanity.

I've just always been someone who questions things since I was a kid. It finally took hold right before my 16th birthday. Stepfather just died and I was just done putting faith in things I couldn't see or prove.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
 

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do not be deceived in the USA. God is very real and his church is still alive.



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We are held to different standards than animals and are above them, God allowed us to rule over them after Adam and Eve ate the fruit of knowledge, we were never supposed to eat or kill them but that is the punishment since our crops can no longer grow fruitfully like they used too

dont bring up dna or whatever either cause im positive you not letting a moose or whatever in your house and killed multiple bugs, dna is something of GOD we dont truly understand it he prolly made it similar cause he got his own agenda :yeshrug:

why you worrying about if an animal get to heaven though? We don’t know and its not something we should be worrying about, are YOU getting into heaven?
 

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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
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I think the best way to describe me as a deist. I just don't believe in God in the traditional monotheistic sense. I actually believe there's a higher power. I just don't know if it concerns itself with the nature of humanity.

I've just always been someone who questions things since I was a kid. It finally took hold right before my 16th birthday. Stepfather just died and I was just done putting faith in things I couldn't see or prove.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
Evil is a choice and a choice that Man makes...not a choice of God. From the word, it is revealed the understanding of why people act as they do and from the word, the truth can be known.

For one to understand Good...one must understand what is not Good.

Chasten yourself...I lost my father around the same age, I understand your feelings entirely.
 

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Evil is a choice and a choice that Man makes...not a choice of God. From the word, it is revealed the understanding of why people act as they do and from the word, the truth can be known.

For one to understand Good...one must understand what is not Good.

Chasten yourself...I lost my father around the same age, I understand your feelings entirely.

But if God is omnipotent, he knows what we're going to choose.

I'm not doubting God is omnipotent...my belief is he doesn't care one way or the other.

Choice and free will sounds like a individual pursuit, but to someone all powerful, God would already know. Essentially it's designed.
 
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But if God is omnipotent, he knows what we're going to choose.

I'm not doubting God is omnipotent...my belief is he doesn't care one way or the other.

Choice and free will sounds like a individual pursuit, but to someone all powerful, God would already know. Essentially it's designed.
You'd be correct

It is my personal belief that all time has already happened and that we just live through time.

If God designed the world and all the creatures therein to be subservient to his ideals would they be free? Would life really be life?

When you find yourself blaming God's will for what happens you are forgetting the nature of sin. Sin is like a disease that spreads each time it is committed. Infecting people's minds, perceptions and inclinations every day of their life.

Death is the end result of sin yet we are blessed to know that sin and death can be defeated. This isn't just a Christian concept either, but something well known to many belief systems etc. The truth is in understanding that we are in full control and that what we receive in life is ALL God's blessing as it is by his grace that we live at all. Man's inherent duality struggles with the idea of unity in God but it can be seen and felt if we choose.

If God did not love us, he wouldn't have created us at all knowing what would transpire. He loves us much more than we love him
 

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You'd be correct

It is my personal belief that all time has already happened and that we just live through time.

If God designed the world and all the creatures therein to be subservient to his ideals would they be free? Would life really be life?

When you find yourself blaming God's will for what happens you are forgetting the nature of sin. Sin is like a disease that spreads each time it is committed. Infecting people's minds, perceptions and inclinations every day of their life.

Death is the end result of sin yet we are blessed to know that sin and death can be defeated. This isn't just a Christian concept either, but something well known to many belief systems etc. The truth is in understanding that we are in full control and that what we receive in life is ALL God's blessing as it is by his grace that we live at all. Man's inherent duality struggles with the idea of unity in God but it can be seen and felt if we choose.

If God did not love us, he wouldn't have created us at all knowing what would transpire. He loves us much more than we love him

I'm not blaming god for anything. In simple terms, existence is a terrarium and God can control it how he wants. Much like how we watch nature from afar and could intervene to save it, he chooses not to in much the same way. It simply exists, there is no good or evil outside of what we humans define as good and evil. Good and evil changes over time and by who is in control of defining it. Maybe God does love us or what we perceive to be love, but no more than any other thing within this controlled ecosystem. We have to define all of these things for ourselves.

Believe me, I want to believe in a divine good and evil...it just seems incalculable for that to true.
 

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I'm not blaming god for anything. In simple terms, existence is a terrarium and God can control it how he wants. Much like how we watch nature from afar and could intervene to save it, he chooses not to in much the same way. It simply exists, there is no good or evil outside of what we humans define as good and evil. Good and evil changes over time and by who is in control of defining it. Maybe God does love us or what we perceive to be love, but no more than any other thing within this controlled ecosystem. We have to define all of these things for ourselves.

Believe me, I want to believe in a divine good and evil...it just seems incalculable for that to true.
Rather than looking at it from the lense of good and evil

look at it as turning from and turning towards God.

Matthew 11:28-30
 

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I'll read it and get back to you. Like I said, I want to believe.


God has never left us. While the world is wavering and changing and destroying itself there is but one who is unchanging. :jawalrus:

I implore you to explore Orthodoxy, it has changed my life and given me much needed answers and perspective on my faith as well as the real history of the world that has been veiled due to Catholic/Protestant West euro history.
 
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