What makes Jon Gruden so much better than Jack Del Rio?

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Controversy surrounding Super Bowl XXXVII
In January 2013, Callahan was publicly accused of sabotaging Super Bowl XXXVII by several former players. According to comments by Tim Brown and others, the Raiders struggled on offense during the Super bowl because of Callahan changing the game plan from a heavy run attack to a heavy passing one on the Friday before the game. Although some claim this was due to the Barrett Robbins incident, Brown offered no proof for the sabotage claim, but said: "this is the problem we have, because of Callahan's relationship with Gruden, because of his disdain for the Raider organization; that's what makes people get to that conclusion." Rich Gannon defended Callahan, but did suggest that Oakland may have been disadvantaged by Callahan's failure to change the terminology for play calls at the line of scrimmage. According to Gannon, the same play names had been used during Gruden's tenure as Raiders coach, and Gruden had taught his Buccaneers defensive players these play names.

Jerry Rice, an NFL Hall of Famer who was a wide receiver for the Raiders at that time, was quoted as saying, "I was very surprised that he waited till the last second and I think a lot of the players they were surprised also so in a way maybe because he didn't like the Raiders he decided 'Hey look maybe we should sabotage just a little bit and let Jon Gruden go out and win this one.''

Kinda was my point in the other thread that I wasn't giving Chuckie too much credit for this reason.

 

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[yseJ]

Glad someone brought this up

I think gruden is overrated as well, but that shyt is laughable. no one is throwing the superbowl on purpose unless huge (and I mean, HUGE) money is involved.

 

[MikeBarnes]

I think gruden is overrated as well, but that shyt is laughable. no one is throwing the superbowl on purpose unless huge (and I mean, HUGE) money is involved.

I also think it's hard to believe that he threw the game on purpose. It's his change of plans last minute that makes me despise him. To make things worse, Gruden still knew every move he was making. Lynch was mic'd up that game and kept saying it was unreal how they knew every play they were doing. It was the worst game of football I ever had to watch.

Has anyone else seen bullshyt about Callahan actually coming back to Oakland with Gruden? Somebody please tell me this shyt isn't true. Bill Callahan Could Also Be Part Of A Jon Gruden Staff

 

[mitter]

I also think it's hard to believe that he threw the game on purpose. It's his change of plans last minute that makes me despise him. To make things worse, Gruden still knew every move he was making. Lynch was mic'd up that game and kept saying it was unreal how they knew every play they were doing. It was the worst game of football I ever had to watch.

Has anyone else seen bullshyt about Callahan actually coming back to Oakland with Gruden? Somebody please tell me this shyt isn't true. Bill Callahan Could Also Be Part Of A Jon Gruden Staff

Exactly.

It's not about Callahan throwing the game. It's about him being a dumbass and doing exactly what Gruden expected.

 

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[FaTaL]

Jon Gruden is very overrated by Raiders fans, and I think it is crazy how he has been elevated by them to some sort of mythical, God-like figure.



But before I get to that: I am surprised to see how quickly Del Rio's demise came.

He became head coach of a team that has stunk for a decade-plus, improved from 3-13 to 7-9 in the first year with a young, inexperienced team, then took them to a 12-4 season the next year and their first playoff birth since 2002. Considering how long the Raiders have been in the gutter and suffered from instability, I thought Del Rio was here to stay for a while. Yes, a 6-10 season is not how you want to follow up a 12-4 campaign. But it happens, even to some of the best coaches in the league. After what he achieved, the disappointing record alone should not have warranted his firing.

Having said that, I know there was more that went into Del Rio's exit than this season's disappointing win-loss record. It does seem like Del Rio "lost" his players at some point this season, and it became increasingly difficult to see how he would lead this same group back of players back to contention.


Anyway, regardless of whether Del Rio should have been fired and whether or not he was a first-rate coach, here's what I don't get:

Why is everyone acting like Jon Gruden is some sort of huge upgrade?

Del Rio's 3 seasons:

7-9
12-4
6-10


Gruden's 4 seasons in Oakland:

8-8
8-8
12-4
10-6


Yes, Gruden's Raiders didn't take a huge step back at any point. And yes, the two 8-8 seasons were welcome ascents to respectability after he took over a 4-12 team (though you can say similar things about Del Rio's record). But why did two good years in Oakland make Gruden some sort of untouchable God?

Okay, yes. He won the Super Bowl against the Raiders the year after he left. That made the Super Bowl loss especially bitter for Raiders fans and left them thinking about what may have been had Gruden never left.

So let's look at his full record in Tampa Bay:

12-4 (Super Bowl win)
7-9
5-11
11-5
4-12
9-7
9-7

Take away the Super Bowl victory (with the team that Tony Dungy built into contenders), and you are left with two playoff appearances (and zero playoff games won) in six years.


Gruden won 51% of his games at Tampa Bay

Del Rio won 52% of his games in his three years in Oakland

Your opinion after this past weekend?

 

[pete clemenza]

fukk Gruden.. He was always overrated to me but we had to get rid of Del Rio. He lost the locker room and everybody did what they wanted. If it was me I would've kept Tony Saprano on as head coach. May he rest in peace but he's the one who really got the team headed in the right direction.

 

[Truefan31]

Personality. People fall in love with personalities. Gruden is likeable and has personality. He's also won a SB and gotten to Championship games with two different teams.

Del Rio hasn't done much winning in the playoffs.

Yeah winning a ring will give you clout in the NFL.

But I still remember this:



Great defense losing a 21 point lead less than 5 minutes left in the game

 

[TaxCollector13459]

Jon Gruden is very overrated by Raiders fans, and I think it is crazy how he has been elevated by them to some sort of mythical, God-like figure.



But before I get to that: I am surprised to see how quickly Del Rio's demise came.

He became head coach of a team that has stunk for a decade-plus, improved from 3-13 to 7-9 in the first year with a young, inexperienced team, then took them to a 12-4 season the next year and their first playoff birth since 2002. Considering how long the Raiders have been in the gutter and suffered from instability, I thought Del Rio was here to stay for a while. Yes, a 6-10 season is not how you want to follow up a 12-4 campaign. But it happens, even to some of the best coaches in the league. After what he achieved, the disappointing record alone should not have warranted his firing.

Having said that, I know there was more that went into Del Rio's exit than this season's disappointing win-loss record. It does seem like Del Rio "lost" his players at some point this season, and it became increasingly difficult to see how he would lead this same group back of players back to contention.


Anyway, regardless of whether Del Rio should have been fired and whether or not he was a first-rate coach, here's what I don't get:

Why is everyone acting like Jon Gruden is some sort of huge upgrade?

Del Rio's 3 seasons:

7-9
12-4
6-10


Gruden's 4 seasons in Oakland:

8-8
8-8
12-4
10-6


Yes, Gruden's Raiders didn't take a huge step back at any point. And yes, the two 8-8 seasons were welcome ascents to respectability after he took over a 4-12 team (though you can say similar things about Del Rio's record). But why did two good years in Oakland make Gruden some sort of untouchable God?

Okay, yes. He won the Super Bowl against the Raiders the year after he left. That made the Super Bowl loss especially bitter for Raiders fans and left them thinking about what may have been had Gruden never left.

So let's look at his full record in Tampa Bay:

12-4 (Super Bowl win)
7-9
5-11
11-5
4-12
9-7
9-7

Take away the Super Bowl victory (with the team that Tony Dungy built into contenders), and you are left with two playoff appearances (and zero playoff games won) in six years.


Gruden won 51% of his games at Tampa Bay


Del Rio won 52% of his games in his three years in Oakland

The difference is you have to form senarios to justify Del Rio.


No matter how you feel you have to address him as Super Bowl Winning Coach Jon Gruden..

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Called it. :kbshrug: