What makes Lebron better than Kareem?

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Roger king said:
Please dont do this and embarras yourself even rob parker a lebron hater acknowledges he is top 2 only behind jordan, lebron getting the record will solidly put that debate to rest and cement his place as no 2 with still time to go upwards.
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Lebron is not top 2 hell no
 
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rookie magic outplayed kareem

lebron >> magic
 
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Remote said:
Imagine two players have the exact same performance.

One loses a game.
The other wins a game.

Who is the better player?

The answer is neither. They have the exact same output.
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You just described the '69 Finals duel between Hondo and West...

The answer is they played to a draw but West shouldered more responsibility over the duration of their careers, so he'd get the lean as the better player. But it's close...

nieman said:
I agree. So, how would you look at everything and say Lebron is the greatest to ever play? How would you say MJ? What about WIlt? Oscar? Logo, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Cap, Dream...
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LeBron is the greatest player ever to me because he hit the pinnacle of success in his sport while under the stiffest microscope and facing the most on-court adversity in the most talent rich era of basketball ever. And to be clear, I'm not saying these other guys didn't have adversity, they all had some, and there is talent in all eras...

Bit the game continues to evolve, not devolve. None of these guys can compete against each other, but the same reasons guys favor Mike over Russell, the evolution of the sport was more talented in Mike's time, is the same reason I favor Bron over everyone else...

Since Bron entered the NBA in 2003-04:

•he has the most rings (Steph just tied him at 4, but no one has more than 4, and Bron is the only player since '04 to win more than 2 as a #1);

•he has the most MVPs (no one else has more than 2);

•he has the most All-NBAs and All-Stars;

•he has the most Finals appearances (no one else has more than 6);

•he has the most conference Finals appearances (no one else has more than 6);

This is thorough domination of your generation. He's played for 20 years and no one has more anything than him...

And in addition to all these he has arguably the greatest playoff resume ever. Mike doesn't have an '11 Finals series, bit most All-Timers do, and even with the '11 Finals, Bron has some of the most iconic moments in playoff history. Comebacks, buzzer beaters, scoring blitzes, clutch defensive plays, etc. But for that Dallas loss his playoff record is damn near unimpeachable...

He has higher highs than Mike in the playoffs. The Mike crowd loves pretending Mike only played those 6 seasons he won the title, he actually played 9 other years. We saw Mike with talent-poor rosters, a la the '07 or '18 Cavs, and Mike didn't get anywhere close to a Finals with those teams. He wasn't the floor raiser Bron was, thats not even debatable...

He has more playoff game winners than Mike. He shoots better in crunch time. He's the only one of the two who made series defining defensive plays. On and on and on...

And not to discredit the other names you posted, but these guys don't have the most everything in their eras except Mike. Mike is the only one close. No one else had the most rings + most MVPs + most All-Pros + most Top 5 MVP finishes + most appearances in the Finals and conference Finals, etc etc...

Mike is the only comp. There's a wide margin between Bron and everyone else...

He's the only 1-man dynasty in the history of basketball. Every dynasty in NBA history is tied to a coach and style of play, system. Bron won 4 MVPs in 5 years, won 3 championships in 5 years with two different teams, and won 4 championships in 9 years with 3 different teams---->for reference the Duncan Spurs are considered a "dynasty", for winning 3 championships in 5 years ('03 to '07), and 4 championships in 9 years ('99 to '07)...

As a team. LeBron equaled a team's output as just one player, multiple coaches, systems, philosophies, structure if the roster, etc. He's the only player whose ever done this and he never played with an All-Time coach or on an All-Time team. He's had the longest prime in NBA history, likely the longest peak ever (he won his first MVP in '09 and his last title in '20, nobody had a sustained run at the top this long). And his peak was higher than anyone's except arguably Mike's---->I could easily make the case Bron had the highest peak ever...

I don't care that he has 6 Finals losses. LeBron is the only All-Timer whose losses are magnified rather than their wins. He was the best player on the floor in at minimum 6 of his 10 Finals, the only exceptions being '07, '11, and depending on how someone feels about the Durant match-up in '17 and '18. He was a better player than Durant certainly, it's more than arguable though, that Durant had the better series both years. We understand Bron's 6 Finals losses aren't an indictment in him but rather evidence of playing superior teams...

Bron is the standard these guys are measured to. Not Durant. Not Giannis. Or Jokic or Kobe or Shaq or Duncan or any other player he lapped eras with. We compare these guys' to the standard of excellence Bron set...

I can keep going, but this is how I'd differentiate...
 
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