What Pakistan Knew About Bin Laden

[thekingsmen]

See I disagree.

Theres more credibility behind the idea that the:

1. the USA Knew pakistan was harboring OBL
2. Went in and killed UBL
3. Pakistan got MAD at the fact we killed their dude (if you remember)
4. We eventually get info saying that Paki leaders knew where OBL was

than to assert that Bhutto:

1. exposed that OBL was dead and was killed for exposing this.

Bhutto had a lot of reasons to be targeted...exposing the supposed death of a terrorist doesn't make much sense because then you're left filling in:

1. why would the USA simultaneously say they killed someone who pakistan claimed to be harboring when the USA is against what pakistan was doing???

That makes no sense.

So a story made up of men going into a compound killing OBL in Pakistan without no verification of a body or DNA samples or anything is more credible?

1. U.S. knew OBL was dead a long time ago. Man had a kidney disease and yet he survived with that for 11 years?
2. The going in was suspect from the get go. U.S. claim one of their helicopters was shot down by a RPG and yet there is no evidence of that but a piece of the tail end...

3. Pakistan got mad because U.S. had no authorization to be in Islamabad doing missions without approval from Pakistan.
4. You got info from the U.S. that they knew...not from Pakistan. Anyone can make that story-up

5A. What makes a better story-line... U.S. seeking revenge on OBL and they kill him or OBL dies by Omak Shiek or kidney disease in Bora Bora.?

You are smarter than this kid....Why would the U.S. kill an asset to the War on Terror? His family is connected to the Bush Family and the Caryle Group.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So a story made up of men going into a compound killing OBL in Pakistan without no verification of a body or DNA samples or anything is more credible?

Its MORE credible, yes.

1. U.S. knew OBL was dead a long time ago. Man had a kidney disease and yet he survived with that for 11 years?

doesn't mean he HAD to have died. Even still, this doesn't explain what Pakistan was hiding.

2. The going in was suspect from the get go. U.S. claim one of their helicopters was shot down by a RPG and yet there is no evidence of that but a piece of the tail end...

Thats NOT the official story.

They said they practiced on a compound where the gates were porous, basically chain link fences.

The fences on the compound were solid concrete, so it created a local area of turbulence that created a violent downdraft that made the pilots lose control of the chopper over the compound.

Thats sheer physics. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...r-vortex-not-mechanics-in-bin-laden-raid.html

3. Pakistan got mad because U.S. had no authorization to be in Islamabad doing missions without approval from Pakistan.

This blatantly contradicts your stance.

WTF is the US doing there if Pakistan isn't hiding something?

You're telling me both the Pakis and the US were hiding the same secret while opposing each other???????????

4. You got info from the U.S. that they knew...not from Pakistan. Anyone can make that story-up

Actually, it makes perfect sense.

Pakistan as well as Iran and Saudi Arabia are the world leaders in exporting radical jihad and state funded terrorism.
Of course the US wouldn't inform Pakistan if they were hiding him.

5A. What makes a better story-line... U.S. seeking revenge on OBL and they kill him or OBL dies by Omak Shiek or kidney disease in Bora Bora.?

Which again debunks your story.

WHAT WOULD PAKISTAN BE HIDING???

OBL ain't even the first terrorist they've been known to aid and help sustain.

You are smarter than this kid....Why would the U.S. kill an asset to the War on Terror? His family is connected to the Bush Family and the Caryle Group.

*yawn*

Enough already.

Do you think that NO terrorists legitimately exist, outside of the notion that they're used be 'the powers that be" to perpetuate shyt?

We get that.

But the massive flaws in your argument proclaim that the US and Pakis were hiding the same secret while everyone knows the US doesn't turst Pakistan ANYWAYS!!!

 

[thekingsmen]

Its MORE credible, yes.

doesn't mean he HAD to have died. Even still, this doesn't explain what Pakistan was hiding.
Thats NOT the official story.

They said they practiced on a compound where the gates were porous, basically chain link fences.

The fences on the compound were solid concrete, so it created a local area of turbulence that created a violent downdraft that made the pilots lose control of the chopper over the compound.

Thats sheer physics. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...r-vortex-not-mechanics-in-bin-laden-raid.html



This blatantly contradicts your stance.

WTF is the US doing there if Pakistan isn't hiding something?

You're telling me both the Pakis and the US were hiding the same secret while opposing each other???????????



Actually, it makes perfect sense.

Pakistan as well as Iran and Saudi Arabia are the world leaders in exporting radical jihad and state funded terrorism.
Of course the US wouldn't inform Pakistan if they were hiding him.


Which again debunks your story.

WHAT WOULD PAKISTAN BE HIDING???
OBL ain't even the first terrorist they've been known to aid and help sustain.



*yawn*

Enough already.

Do you think that NO terrorists legitimately exist, outside of the notion that they're used be 'the powers that be" to perpetuate shyt?

We get that.

But the massive flaws in your argument proclaim that the US and Pakis were hiding the same secret while everyone knows the US doesn't turst Pakistan ANYWAYS!!!

1. So you think made up stories that never happen are credible. Naive. Man was ill from a kidney disease and he survived that long...?

2. Why would Pakistan hide Bin Laden?
3. At having a Helicopter go down exploding and no one on it died....Believe in Official Story, brehs. Physics....

4. U.S. has embassies in Pakistan, mainly Islamabad....why are they there?

5. U.S. gives Billions to Pakistan a year.... come on kid.

6. No Proof of Iran doing any Global Terrorism. S.A. yes, Pakistan...yes.

7. How can you debunk my ish when you can't even show proof OBL was in the house. None...no video, no pics, no nothing, just a fairy-tale for you to sleep good at night.

 

[88m3]

Argue with thekingsclown, brehs.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

1. So you think made up stories that never happen are credible. Naive. Man was ill from a kidney disease and he survived that long...?

I did NOT say that.

But OBL had money, and its not known how serious his dieease was.

Remember, you taking this info from the people who said the caves in afghanistan resembled inverted skyscrapers

2. Why would Pakistan hide Bin Laden?

afghanistan is next door. OBL got his start in afghanistan helping the mujahadeen. OBL is used to inspire jihadis by a two-faced pakistanian government and intelligence apparatus.

3. At having a Helicopter go down exploding and no one on it died....Believe in Official Story, brehs. Physics....

So everyone dies in helicopter crashes now? This shows you operating at the height of stupidity.

Its entirely possible for a violent landing to occur when theres a turbulence vortex occuring.

Do you not know anything about fluid mechanics or how helicopters work?

4. U.S. has embassies in Pakistan, mainly Islamabad....why are they there?

for the same reason they're in france, dumbass

5. U.S. gives Billions to Pakistan a year.... come on kid.

BECAUSE IT HAS NUKES AND THE USA HAS TO REIGN IN PAKISTAN BEFORE THEY GET TESTY OVER THE KASHMIR REGION AND LET A NUKE GO!!!

Pakistan is considered an "ally" in the region because of a few reasons:

1. its got a nuke
2. Its the window to the indian ocean (thus why russia invaded in the 80s)
3. ITS GOT A fukkING NUKE FROM A DUDE WHO STOLE INFO AND REVERSE ENGINEERED THE fukkING THING (A Q KHAN)
4. Its got a VERY tumultuous relationship with India that the west monitors probably more closely than the DMZ
5. its a muslim country next to Iran but that isn't on as bad terms with the US
6. Its the back door to China

pay attention dumbass.

6. No Proof of Iran doing any Global Terrorism. S.A. yes, Pakistan...yes.

False.

Iranian influence has been all over the middle east.

The Iranians and Saudis use extremists to fight their proxy wars. Most notably and lately in Syria.

PAY ATTENTION

7. How can you debunk my ish when you can't even show proof OBL was in the house. None...no video, no pics, no nothing, just a fairy-tale for you to sleep good at night.

And you can't prove he died in 2001.

So you expect random residents of a city of close to 1.5 MILLION to all know if OBL was living there?

You're dumber than I thought.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Argue with thekingsclown, brehs.

It really shouldn't be this easy to educate this jackass.

Skepticism is one thing, but internal consistency is another.

 

[88m3]

6. No Proof of Iran doing any Global Terrorism. S.A. yes, Pakistan...yes.

lol

 

[thekingsmen]

6. No Proof of Iran doing any Global Terrorism. S.A. yes, Pakistan...yes.

lol

Bring the evidence and proof or you will be negged.

 

[thekingsmen]

I did NOT say that.

But OBL had money, and its not known how serious his dieease was.

Remember, you taking this info from the people who said the caves in afghanistan resembled inverted skyscrapers

afghanistan is next door. OBL got his start in afghanistan helping the mujahadeen. OBL is used to inspire jihadis by a two-faced pakistanian government and intelligence apparatus.
So everyone dies in helicopter crashes now? This shows you operating at the height of stupidity.

Its entirely possible for a violent landing to occur when theres a turbulence vortex occuring.
Do you not know anything about fluid mechanics or how helicopters work?

for the same reason they're in france, dumbass

BECAUSE IT HAS NUKES AND THE USA HAS TO REIGN IN PAKISTAN BEFORE THEY GET TESTY OVER THE KASHMIR REGION AND LET A NUKE GO!!!

Pakistan is considered an "ally" in the region because of a few reasons:

1. its got a nuke
2. Its the window to the indian ocean (thus why russia invaded in the 80s)
3. ITS GOT A fukkING NUKE FROM A DUDE WHO STOLE INFO AND REVERSE ENGINEERED THE fukkING THING (A Q KHAN)
4. Its got a VERY tumultuous relationship with India that the west monitors probably more closely than the DMZ
5. its a muslim country next to Iran but that isn't on as bad terms with the US
6. Its the back door to China

pay attention dumbass.



False.

Iranian influence has been all over the middle east.

The Iranians and Saudis use extremists to fight their proxy wars. Most notably and lately in Syria.

PAY ATTENTION

And you can't prove he died in 2001.



So you expect random residents of a city of close to 1.5 MILLION to all know if OBL was living there?

You're dumber than I thought.

Calling me names isn't making your argument stronger my friend....


1. So you don't be the story is credible or you do make up your mind

2. OBL had money...so why was he hiding in a place where U.S. Military could easily find and get to?
2A.
From the independent newspaper March 17 2000

Osama Bin Laden, the exiled Saudi dissident and America's most wanted man is, a leading news magazine claims, "dying of kidney failure". Quoting "a Western intelligence source who has been tracking him", Asiaweek says in its latest edition that Mr Bin Laden's associates have been trying to obtain a kidney dialysis machine to alleviate his worsening condition. Asiaweek's unnamed source is quoted as saying "the man is dying" although he is still able to talk and hold meetings.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hospital-worker-i-saw-osama/




3. Pakistan trained the Muja and the U.S. gave them the weapons and support. This is well known.

4. I forgot that you watch alot of movies and assume during the spiral out of control helicopter, the pilot can jump and survive. Helicopters hovered over the compound just enough to get a safe distance for the men to slide out. The Tail was shot off leaving the plane to plunge to doom and the pilot has no time to respond.

http://www.iliketowastemytime.com/s...secret_stealth_helicopter_bin_laden_raid9.jpg

5. Where does the Billions of dollars come into your agrument with Kashmir? The U.S. can give a rats ass about Kashmir, that's not why they give them the money.

6. The rest of what you are saying in bold letter is irrelevant to this case.

7. I have yet to see the evidence of Iranian terror in the M.E. please provide proof.

8. http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead/
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/306301

 

[50CentStan]

The only countries that I can imagine having state sponsored terrorist are israel and russia Pakistan is too busy with India and fighting the pakistani taliban, and the Emirates are too busy counting their oil money.

 

[methodz]

Syria is about as secular as Lebanon.



Al Qaeda has camps in Iran. Osama's family were even living there.

Lebanon is mostly secular apart from hardline Sunnis villages

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/world/meast/beirut-middle-east-party-capital/

The Syrian government is very secular compared to it's opposition.

And for the person blaming Israel and Russia for backing terror I doubt it, Israel might be giving Syrian rebels a hand but I doubt it's anything major, on the other hand Russia is helping the seculars there , Hezbollah has been labeled as a terror group for years but now they're fighting Al Qaeda aggressively. Whoever says Iran has Al Qaeda camps needs to get off the Zionist Kool aid, Iran actually offered the US to help out fighting the Taliban the US declined. Iran is funding the Syrian regime and the Iraqis to fight off extremist Sunni groups which are being financed by the Saudis, Turkey, Kuwait and Qatar.

The US needs a shift in policy in that region, it's looking more and more that us and the Shiites (Syria, Iran, Hezbollah) have an enemy in common and that is the extremist Sunni groups killing anything and anyone not sharing their philosophy. If we need to pick a side I think we need to play our cards right and side with the ones that aren't intent on ethnic cleansing in the region.

Boycott Saudi oil, buy oil from Iran and Iraq, stop funding Pakistan and the Gulf countries, we've been played for a long time and bytch slap Israel into accepting our policy.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Calling me names isn't making your argument stronger my friend....


1. So you don't be the story is credible or you do make up your mind

I said the story is consistent with close to 15 years worth of serious reading about geopolitics.

2. OBL had money...so why was he hiding in a place where U.S. Military could easily find and get to?

Do you know why we even were in Afghanistan BEFORE 9/11 in the first place? he was being hunted for his role in the Kenya and USS Cole bombings. Dude wasn't just some peon before 9/11.

The Taliban was in power in A-Stan and wouldn't give him up, so we went in.

2A.
From the independent newspaper March 17 2000

Osama Bin Laden, the exiled Saudi dissident and America's most wanted man is, a leading news magazine claims, "dying of kidney failure". Quoting "a Western intelligence source who has been tracking him", Asiaweek says in its latest edition that Mr Bin Laden's associates have been trying to obtain a kidney dialysis machine to alleviate his worsening condition. Asiaweek's unnamed source is quoted as saying "the man is dying" although he is still able to talk and hold meetings.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hospital-worker-i-saw-osama/

Doesn't mean its true. shyt like this happens all the time. Theres always claims about people dying and they still live and linger on.
Additionally, this wouldn't make sense if pakistan had nothing to hide...and they still do to this day.

3. Pakistan trained the Muja and the U.S. gave them the weapons and support. This is well known.

Which supports MY stance.

4. I forgot that you watch alot of movies and assume during the spiral out of control helicopter, the pilot can jump and survive. Helicopters hovered over the compound just enough to get a safe distance for the men to slide out. The Tail was shot off leaving the plane to plunge to doom and the pilot has no time to respond.

The tail was NOT shot.

There was no external gunfire towards the helicopters.

The plane's tail rotor scraped the wall and fell off.

http://www.iliketowastemytime.com/s...secret_stealth_helicopter_bin_laden_raid9.jpg

These were stealth helicopters that the SEALs blew up to avoid intel being recaptured and sold to the Chinese and Russians...WHICH HAPPENED ANYWAYS.

Hilary Clinton basically admitted that there would be a worry of the downed chopper being in possession of foreign enemies

5. Where does the Billions of dollars come into your agrument with Kashmir? The U.S. can give a rats ass about Kashmir, that's not why they give them the money.

Its not about Kashmir itself. Its the fact that its a disputed border with India and is one of the most militarized in the world.

6. The rest of what you are saying in bold letter is irrelevant to this case.

Cause you don't understand it.

Nukes are why we just don't let Pakistan piss off. We MUST be in control of that situation

7. I have yet to see the evidence of Iranian terror in the M.E. please provide proof.

Read the wikileaks cables. Its all spelled out.

Thats why Israel and Iran are out here just murking each other on their own cold war ambitions ot prevent Iran getting their nuclear program running

Who the fukk do you think sponsors Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Shia uprising in Iraq?

Don't play dumb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism

8. http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead/
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/306301[

This was based on a rumor and is not proven.

There was a lot of misinformation around that time and hype.

Doesn't mean he actually died.

You can keep quoted 2001, but more info suggests he died 2 years ago.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Lebanon is mostly secular apart from hardline Sunnis villages

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/world/meast/beirut-middle-east-party-capital/

The Syrian government is very secular compared to it's opposition.

And for the person blaming Israel and Russia for backing terror I doubt it, Israel might be giving Syrian rebels a hand but I doubt it's anything major, on the other hand Russia is helping the seculars there , Hezbollah has been labeled as a terror group for years but now they're fighting Al Qaeda aggressively. Whoever says Iran has Al Qaeda camps needs to get off the Zionist Kool aid, Iran actually offered the US to help out fighting the Taliban the US declined. Iran is funding the Syrian regime and the Iraqis to fight off extremist Sunni groups which are being financed by the Saudis, Turkey, Kuwait and Qatar.

The US needs a shift in policy in that region, it's looking more and more that us and the Shiites (Syria, Iran, Hezbollah) have an enemy in common and that is the extremist Sunni groups killing anything and anyone not sharing their philosophy. If we need to pick a side I think we need to play our cards right and side with the ones that aren't intent on ethnic cleansing in the region.

Boycott Saudi oil, buy oil from Iran and Iraq, stop funding Pakistan and the Gulf countries, we've been played for a long time and bytch slap Israel into accepting our policy.

this shift in US policy is gonna come from energy demand

We could honestly not care if they turn each other to glass.

 

[thekingsmen]

I said the story is consistent with close to 15 years worth of serious reading about geopolitics.

Do you know why we even were in Afghanistan BEFORE 9/11 in the first place? he was being hunted for his role in the Kenya and USS Cole bombings. Dude wasn't just some peon before 9/11.

The Taliban was in power in A-Stan and wouldn't give him up, so we went in.


Doesn't mean its true. shyt like this happens all the time. Theres always claims about people dying and they still live and linger on.
Additionally, this wouldn't make sense if pakistan had nothing to hide...and they still do to this day.


Which supports MY stance.

The tail was NOT shot.

There was no external gunfire towards the helicopters.

The plane's tail rotor scraped the wall and fell off.

These were stealth helicopters that the SEALs blew up to avoid intel being recaptured and sold to the Chinese and Russians...WHICH HAPPENED ANYWAYS.

Hilary Clinton basically admitted that there would be a worry of the downed chopper being in possession of foreign enemies
Its not about Kashmir itself. Its the fact that its a disputed border with India and is one of the most militarized in the world.





Cause you don't understand it.

Nukes are why we just don't let Pakistan piss off. We MUST be in control of that situation



Read the wikileaks cables. Its all spelled out.

Thats why Israel and Iran are out here just murking each other on their own cold war ambitions ot prevent Iran getting their nuclear program running

Who the fukk do you think sponsors Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Shia uprising in Iraq?

Don't play dumb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism



This was based on a rumor and is not proven.

There was a lot of misinformation around that time and hype.

Doesn't mean he actually died.

You can keep quoted 2001, but more info suggests he died 2 years ago.

1. That's nice that you read about geopolitics but try to read about Bin Ladens and the Bushes and realize they aren't going to kill friends.

2. Going into Afghanistan months before 9/11 proves they weren't even looking for Bin Laden. Bin Laden isn't even credited for 9/11 by the FBI to this day. Matter of Fact Cheney already mentioned Osama has nothing to do with 9/11.



3. Taliban didn't want to give up Osama?

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Taliban-willing-to-talk-regime-s-spokesman-says-1070380.php

http://tvnz.co.nz/content/60952/425822/article.html

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-17250386.html

4. So it's makes sense that Pakistan was hiding him for years and U.S. came in and got him and yet the proof doesn't exist. The story of him dying of a kidney disease and Pakistan was treating him before he died isn't.

5. Your stance has been dead wrong. I got pics of the tail that was shot off.

Why would the stealth helicopters be blown up by the SEALS when it crashed and exploded without a tail?

6. Nukes isn't the reason U.S. gives them Billions...

7. Wikipedia.... . Alot of it's he say, she say. Alot of those are claims but never provided actual facts. Hamas was created by Israel and still controlled by Israel. Might want to try a better source. Just the facts. The claims of Iran have been going on since 1979 of the Revolution. They been debunked every time, including the Iraq accusations.




8. No proof of him dying in 2011. You haven't provided me any pictures, video of his death. In that case you support a fairy-tale. It's cool, I don't expect you to believe otherwise.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

1. That's nice that you read about geopolitics but try to read about Bin Ladens and the Bushes and realize they aren't going to kill friends.

Still false.

Bin Laden comes from a family thats one of the largest construction firms in Saudi Arabia and OBL had money that he used to fund extremism.

Daddy Bush was the CIA agent who facilitated the whole afghan cituation

2. Going into Afghanistan months before 9/11 proves they weren't even looking for Bin Laden. Bin Laden isn't even credited for 9/11 by the FBI to this day. Matter of Fact Cheney already mentioned Osama has nothing to do with 9/11.

Doesn't matter.

OBL was being sought for his role in bombings WAY before 2001.

Pay attention
I didn't say Bin Laden was behind 9/11

3. Taliban didn't want to give up Osama?

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Taliban-willing-to-talk-regime-s-spokesman-says-1070380.php

http://tvnz.co.nz/content/60952/425822/article.html

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-17250386.html

False. Read this and quote me on every fukking word.

The taliban was playing that plausible deniability shyt. We had the evidence on them, but they were being difficult. They said "we'll give OBL up but we need 'evidence'"

Then they never said they were satisifed with the evidence. They were lying. They had Bin Laden then were dragging their feet.

They were being fukking facetious with the entire thing.

They murked Massoud too.

4. So it's makes sense that Pakistan was hiding him for years and U.S. came in and got him and yet the proof doesn't exist. The story of him dying of a kidney disease and Pakistan was treating him before he died isn't.

you're contradicting yourself

Pakistan was hiding him, but you claim he died in 2001.

5. Your stance has been dead wrong. I got pics of the tail that was shot off.

Why would the stealth helicopters be blown up by the SEALS when it crashed and exploded without a tail?

IT WAS NOT SHOT OFF DUMB DUMB

The helicopter landed on the wall after a violent landing.

They blew up the helicopter to avoid sensitive information leaking.

6. Nukes isn't the reason U.S. gives them Billions...

it actually is. Pakistan borders on being a failed state more than half the time. And they're hella unstable...might as well toss some dough their way so that afghanistan doesn't completely fall over while china and russia keep trying to get through to the indian ocean.

Peep game.

its all a giant chess game.

7. Wikipedia.... . Alot of it's he say, she say. Alot of those are claims but never provided actual facts. Hamas was created by Israel and still controlled by Israel. Might want to try a better source. Just the facts. The claims of Iran have been going on since 1979 of the Revolution. They been debunked every time, including the Iraq accusations.

I can lead you to water, but I can't make you drink it.

Even fukking aspects of the insurgency had iranians present because dead bodies would have iranian passports on them.

Yet for you you can't put two and two together.

8. No proof of him dying in 2011. You haven't provided me any pictures, video of his death. In that case you support a fairy-tale. It's cool, I don't expect you to believe otherwise.

I dont have any evidence he ever existed either if you want to play that game.