What Putin told the UN: the US and allies are to blame in Mideast
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I won't doubt that the M.E. policy is less than ideal. To utterly disastrous. I thought Obama would have avoided some of that, but thanks to decades of white supremacist neglect, it seems Obama has done nothing but manage crises, because I still don't truly believe he would have OVERTHROWN leaders, and we're left with what we have here.
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I don't even need to go further.... dead wrong here.
So you take any criticism of the US as one not wanting to be here?There's no place I'd rather be either and I love my passport too.... none of that shyt changes the fact that our moves in the ME have been disastrous and counterproductive. If you think one has to turn a blind eye to all the goofy shyt we are doing abroad in order to be happy to be an American, you're more of an idiot than I initially thought
Less than ideal
If our ME interventions have been less than ideal here are some other things that were less than ideal
- being long shale oil in 2015
- being a Jew during the National Socialist's reign in Germany
- your posting career last year
US presence in the ME has been an unmitigated disaster, even by your doe eyed metrics of strict hegemony. The more we intervene, the more control and opportunity we give to folks like Khomeni & ISIS. The ME is worse for us today than it was 10, 15, 20 years ago, all thanks to our actions there. Only a real "la la la la i cant hear you" idiot would think continuing or doubling down on the path we've taken will yield anything different
I've already said Obama missed his golden window to handle Syria.Less than ideal
If our ME interventions have been less than ideal here are some other things that were less than ideal
- being long shale oil in 2015
- being a Jew during the National Socialist's reign in Germany
- your posting career last year
US presence in the ME has been an unmitigated disaster, even by your doe eyed metrics of strict hegemony. The more we intervene, the more control and opportunity we give to folks like Khomeni & ISIS. The ME is worse for us today than it was 10, 15, 20 years ago, all thanks to our actions there. Only a real "la la la la i cant hear you" idiot would think continuing or doubling down on the path we've taken will yield anything different
And Iraq? Well i don't think anyone expected that.
Even if Obama had taken out Assad, the puppet regime he'd put in would have been no match for ISIS. And we shouldn't have went into Iraq in the first place
America thought the world was stupid and would fall for all our BS, and that MEers would roll over for us. Turns out we are actually the idiots in this situation, with too much pride to take an L gracefully and with minimal blowback
We are willing to destroy our own oil industry to keep doing Israel's bidding at our own peril........ there is no victory in sight with the path we are headed on.
Even if Obama had taken out Assad, the puppet regime he'd put in would have been no match for ISIS. And we shouldn't have went into Iraq in the first place
America thought the world was stupid and would fall for all our BS, and that MEers would roll over for us. Turns out we are actually the idiots in this situation, with too much pride to take an L gracefully and with minimal blowback
We are willing to destroy our own oil industry to keep doing Israel's bidding at our own peril........ there is no victory in sight with the path we are headed on.
And this is why we can't get anywhere on this discussion.
I'm talking about crisis management. Not hypotheticals.
I viciously opposed the Iraq War. Worst thing we could have done.
But we can't go backwards. Only forwards.
So if you can't get past this talking point, then what are we discussing here?
ill
Superstar
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Nato warns Russia on air strikes
The hypocrisy knows no bounds.
I wonder what Nato nations have been doing for the past few years in Syria
Nato warns Russia on air strikes
The hypocrisy knows no bounds.
I wonder what Nato nations have been doing for the past few years in Syria
Birnin Zana
Honorary Wakandan
ill
Superstar
Get all the way the fukk outta here with that bullshyt breh
Woooow
Did your crystal ball tell you Iraq would turn into a clusterfukk with foreign governments undermining our efforts at every step of the way?
Birnin Zana
Honorary Wakandan
Exactly. So shut the fukk up.
Obama didn't even vote for the fukking war. But he inherited it.
The Iraqi's didn't want the US to stick around. We obliged. We said, hey we've done enough here.
Then the Iraqi's fukked it up and now the US has to clean up some shyt the current administration didn't even want.
So there is no value in looking back on mistakes we made to hopefully not repeat them?
I'm looking back at Iraq, the Iranian Revolution, the Soviet-Afghan war, the overthrow of Mossadegh, and I'm seeing a pattern of failure in the ME on the part of the US and West in general, and I'm using that as a backdrop on what to expect from our choices going forward. The more we try to do in the ME, the more we fukk it up. So maybe this time we do something different. Manage the refugees and let shyt take its course.
Says who?
I didn't say theres no value in history. I'm saying that crisis management is valued on how it handles present problems. You can't keep trying to predict the future with present circumstances.
Lets say Arab Spring wasn't a mass CIA coup. Then we can say that the US had to manage that shyt when it came to Libya. He was just going too far. Then Syria...we couldn't let that shyt go on. Syria has been terrible for a very long time. So now we look at what has happened in Iraq AND Syria and the hesitation to do anything for fear of getting ourselves too attached like A-Stan or Iraq...I'd say thats at least being sensitive to the situation on the ground, wouldn't you?
This entire thing has been trying to do a little without doing a lot. And its all backfired because no one in the current admin wanted to even be in this situation.