What should the Wizards do with Beal?

[FAH1223]

Well this is the first time I've seen anyone say this, I thought Wall carried that team tbh

Would be curious to see Wiz fans thoughts... @mastermind @Black @FAH1223 ?

With the cap going up Beal is not getting 12 nor 15 million a year

Beal's on/off differential this season is +1.4.

Temple's on/off differential this season is +5.6.

The team has been considerably better this year with Temple than Beal.

Beal's ever so slight improvement in TS% has come with an uptick in turnovers, making his ORtg about the same as his career average, and all this despite playing against second units much of the time.

The best I can say about Beal is that he has become a much more versatile scorer. He can now score with mediocre efficiency in multiple ways. Unfortunately, he's not really efficient at anything offensively. Even his solid career 3P% isn't tainted because of his low volume.

I have some hope that maybe Beal is just being used improperly. Wittman has given him the green light to probe the defense and try to create off the bounce, which is not his forte. If Beal had a better coach, he'd find a way to have Beal focus on his strengths and become more efficient at one or two things rather than being mediocre at everything. Beal would be much better in a Spurs type of system where he gets to shoot open 3's or attack closeouts.

I'll also add that Beal's defense has been terrible this season. I mean really, really bad. He has a DRtg of 109 and ranks 87th out of 95 shooting guards in ESPN's defensive RPM.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Kyrie had a worst collection of players than Wall ever had on his teams and yet nobody cared. They called him a loser. I'm not giving Wall a pass.

Quoted for emphasis.

 

[FAH1223]

Oh and if John Wall wasn't playing, the Wizards would be in the bottom 3 record wise.

HE'S the engine that makes the team go. HE'S the one who is initating the offense. HE'S the one who sets the tone defensively when he's engaged and playing with fire. And guess what? The organization has consistently failed him.

Wall isn't perfect, he played like absolute trash in November. He's inconsistent. He still turns it over a lot some times, his shot still needs more refinement, and its obvious he doesn't work smart on his game over the summer. The only consolation for him and Beal is that they're young yet they have experience now.

John Wall is the MVP of the Wizards not Bradley Beal. John has become an ironman since 2013 and barely has missed games.

 

[FAH1223]

Quoted for emphasis.

How many wins would the Wizards have with Kyrie this season? Assuming Kyrie wasn't injured?

 

[malbaker86]

Can't do this...because we gonna give Doc a 1st round pick and Danny Green for Reddikk this summer...

That floor spreading with Reddikk and Patty Mills bruh

 

[Shadow King]

Beal's on/off differential this season is +1.4.

Temple's on/off differential this season is +5.6.

The team has been considerably better this year with Temple than Beal.

Beal's ever so slight improvement in TS% has come with an uptick in turnovers, making his ORtg about the same as his career average, and all this despite playing against second units much of the time.

The best I can say about Beal is that he has become a much more versatile scorer. He can now score with mediocre efficiency in multiple ways. Unfortunately, he's not really efficient at anything offensively. Even his solid career 3P% isn't tainted because of his low volume.

I have some hope that maybe Beal is just being used improperly. Wittman has given him the green light to probe the defense and try to create off the bounce, which is not his forte. If Beal had a better coach, he'd find a way to have Beal focus on his strengths and become more efficient at one or two things rather than being mediocre at everything. Beal would be much better in a Spurs type of system where he gets to shoot open 3's or attack closeouts.

I'll also add that Beal's defense has been terrible this season. I mean really, really bad. He has a DRtg of 109 and ranks 87th out of 95 shooting guards in ESPN's defensive RPM.

All this can be true but if the market determines his value I don't think other teams looking at a 22 year old scoring SG will only give him 15 a year with an 89M cap this summer when last summer Draymond got 16M a year, DeMarre Caroll 15 a year, and Tristan Thompson 20 a year with a smaller cap. If a team offers Beal max or near max what should y'all do?

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

negus, do you watch games or skim through them

Wall has shyt around him and a bad coach.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

How many wins would the Wizards have with Kyrie this season? Assuming Kyrie wasn't injured?

Around about the same. Apart from some inconsistencies (especially early on in the season), Wall's play hasn't been the problem.

 

[FAH1223]

All this can be true but if the market determines his value I don't think other teams looking at a 22 year old scoring SG will only give him 15 a year with an 89M cap this summer when last summer Draymond got 16M a year, DeMarre Caroll 15 a year, and Tristan Thompson 20 a year with a smaller cap. If a team offers Beal max or near max what should y'all do?

We'd match it only because he's 22 years old.

But we need to see him with a different coach and system.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

negus, do you watch games or skim through them

Wall has shyt around him and a bad coach.

Like dude said above, Kyrie had worse support (by far) and coaches around him, yet nobody gave him a pass and was/is depicted as this loser.

 

[seanjohn21276]

I'd keep him, but not at the max price considering he's injury prone

 

[TrapHouse Rock]

Like dude said above, Kyrie had worse support (by far) and coaches around him, yet nobody gave him a pass and was/is depicted as this loser.

Cause Kyrie showed no ability as a leader, he was getting into it with waiters and shyt. Wall has had complete control of this team and its improved under his watch consistently without the influx of Lebron James and Kevin Love

Kyrie was a loser cause he acted like a loser. Also how much has Kyrie even improved over that time, he's nice don't get me wrong (that game against the spurs in OT last year was ) but wall's rise has been somewhat meteoric. I don't think a team with Kyrie would've won 31 games this season in this Eastern conference

I'm trying hard to not go in on Kyrie but I don't get this Wall criticism

 

[Reid2Achieve]

They should have traded him. Now they pretty much have to match any offer he receives.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Cause Kyrie showed no ability as a leader, he was getting into it with waiters and shyt. Wall has had complete control of this team and its improved under his watch consistently without the influx of Lebron James and Kevin Love

He was "getting into it" with Waiters because that rockbrain was jealous of how the franchise treated Irving (ya'know their franchise player). The same conflict would've existed if Wall was in Cleveland; Waiters feeling like he should share the spotlight with Wall. Wall had the luxury of being on a team with talent, the same cant be said about Kyrie. He had to deal with bum ass nikkas feeling like they should run the team.

Kyrie was a loser cause he acted like a loser.

Casual fan talking points still don't make them true no matter how many times they're regurgitated.

Also how much has Kyrie even improved over that time, he's nice don't get me wrong (that game against the spurs in OT last year was ) but wall's rise has been somewhat meteoric.

His game has improved - problem is he's never had the proper coaching, stability and talent around him to function like a PG should. I most certainly wouldn't say Wall's rise has been "meteoric" - if that were true he'd be a stabled to that best PGs in the league list - which he's not. His career has still be filled with inconsistent and sub-par play.

I'm trying hard to not go in on Kyrie but I don't get this Wall criticism

You don't get the Wall criticism, seriously?

Look, I don't think anyone is saying Wall is to blame for not getting the Wizards into the playoffs, but there's a clear double standard here - a pass that you and others never afforded to Kyrie. Can you honestly sit there and say that Wall would have squads where the best players were Varejao, Waiters and Thompson in a playoff spot - when he can't even get his current team (far superior talent) into the playoffs?

Wall would be perceived as a loser, just the same as Kyrie if they swapped careers.

 

[duckbutta]

That floor spreading with Reddikk and Patty Mills bruh

If the Spurs somehow get JJ Reddikk they are going to SHATTER every conceivable team offensive stat...

I'm starting to feel the same way about Reddikk that I feel about Gobert...in that if Utah would not have fukked it up the Spurs would have the GOAT nba defense in history by a WIDE margin...

Not only would JJ bury all these open 3's that Green has been missing...he is also a very aggressive shooter off the screen and he is actually going to be looking for his own shot instead of just standing around waiting like Danny...

I don't know if it can even be comprehended what putting Reddikk next to Kawhi would do for each others shooting efficiency...

They both probably end up shooting will over 50% from 3 at a high volume...

I know R.C. has done the GOAT job as a GM but man oh man if he can just bless us this one last time...