What the Jews won’t tell you - they took their history from ancient sumeria

[Robbie3000]

Freeze.

The whole point of Abraham being special was the idea of him NOT accepting or mixing with the traditions of those around him.
He supposedly didn’t even accept the traditions of his Father in Ur when they deviated from Yahweh worship,
and he (nor Isaac or Jacob) mixed with the Canaanites.

Remnants of Mesopotamia traditions like the flood mixed with Canaanite traditions. This is demonstrable. We know the history of Yahweh. Like I said he is nothing special, just another Canaanite god. His father is El and he had other brother gods like his rival Baal.

Yahweh is known as a jealous god because he was competing with other Gods in the pantheon for the worship of the people living in Canaan. That’s why Yahwehs prophet had a worship battle with the prophets of Baal.

 

[Fresh]

You nikkas gotta be the most awkward nikkas ever in real life

Yall was definitely scaring the hoes back in the day

word, this is bait, OP knows posters get in their feelings about religion

also there are other cultures that have a flood story, and other cultures who have stories about gods or God trying to destroy mankind, OP isn't saying nothing new

 

[Taadow]

Remnants of Mesopotamia traditions like the flood mixed with Canaanite traditions. This is demonstrable. We know the history of Yahweh. Like I said he is nothing special, just another Canaanite god. His father is El and he had other brother gods like his rival Baal.

Yahweh is known as a jealous god because he was competing with other Gods in the pantheon for the worship of the people living in Canaan. That’s why Yahwehs prophet had a worship battle with the prophets of Baal.

1. “Baal” is a title, not a name. That title doesn’t refer to any specific diety.
2. Why wouldn’t a God who actually does stuff want credit for it?
2b. ….and who won that worship battle?

 

[Savvir]

word, this is bait, OP knows posters get in their feelings about religion

also there are other cultures that have a flood story, and other cultures who have stories about gods or God trying to destroy mankind, OP isn't saying nothing new

All these religions are intertwined that is a fact.

It’s the whole thing of taking this so serious like groups did this with malicious intent and acting like it matters in 2025 that makes it weird.

 

[Robbie3000]

1. “Baal” is a title, not a name. That title doesn’t refer to any specific diety.
2. Why wouldn’t a God who actually does stuff want credit for it?
2b. ….and who won that worship battle?

I know it’s hard for followers if Abrahamic faiths to accept that Yahweh was just another in a long line of man made gods, but it’s the truth. He is nothing special…no different from Zeus, Aeries or Thor.

It boggles my mind that people can worship a man made god whose creation by ancient humans is clearly documented.

 

[MMS]

I don't consider them borrowed or recycled. I consider them to be the general understanding of the world at that time, which everybody knew. That's why there's so much similarity between myths all over the world. They're all telling the same story but from their own perspective.

Sn: I recently learned that, in Norse mythology, there's a location named Niflheim. It's the abode of a goddess named Hel. Isn't that curious?

Niflheim - Wikipedia

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There's another re-telling of biblical myth from their perspective:

In Norse mythology, Surtr (Old Norse "black"[1] or more narrowly "svart",[2] Surtur in modern Icelandic), also sometimes written Surt in English,[3] is a jötunn; he is the greatest of the fire giants and further serves as the guardian of Muspelheim, which is one of the only two realms to exist before the beginning of time, alongside Niflheim.[4] Surtr is attested in the Poetic Edda, compiled in the 13th century from earlier traditional sources, and the Prose Edda, written in the 13th century by Snorri Sturluson. In both sources, Surtr is foretold as being a major figure during the events of Ragnarök; carrying his bright sword, he will go to battle against the Æsir, he will battle the major god Freyr, and afterward the flames that he brings forth will engulf the Earth...

Scholar Andy Orchard theorizes that the description of Surtr found in Gylfaginning "appears to owe something to biblical and patristic notions of the angel with a flaming sword who expelled Adam and Eve from paradise and who stands guard over the Garden of Eden."

Surtr - Wikipedia

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this will come off as cryptic

but if you want the appropriate lense

try to imagine dying beside a campfire in a blizzard

and your corpse festering with microbes (midgard)

 

[MMS]

Remnants of Mesopotamia traditions like the flood mixed with Canaanite traditions. This is demonstrable. We know the history of Yahweh. Like I said he is nothing special, just another Canaanite god. His father is El and he had other brother gods like his rival Baal.

Yahweh is known as a jealous god because he was competing with other Gods in the pantheon for the worship of the people living in Canaan. That’s why Yahwehs prophet had a worship battle with the prophets of Baal.

but do you actually understand this

2 Samuel 6:14 Hebrew Text Analysis

trust me when I say this, none of the mesopotamian or canaanite traditions understand that God

secondly as @Taadow said, there are two Baals(Lords). Lord of Sloth(Peor) and Lord of the Mountain (Zaphon)

and in the Egyptian understanding Amun represented "inactivity" or Niau

Ogdoad (Egyptian) - Wikipedia

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so what you see as a battle is actually another way of describing sex

near the respective organs they appear to have no life in them, but the bronze age thinkers knew that in fact there was life there and entire priesthoods to each side...

that said "that God" is the one who opens the womb which is why this line is telling

Exodus 13:2 Hebrew Text Analysis

 

[MMS]

It’s not antisemitism to say the same Bolshevik Jews that took over Russia also funded the Chinese communists party and helped them rise to power.

if you see my first post i technically agreed but not in the way you think

as far as your other stuff it sounds like you are whining for someone to do something about it

on a message board call your local congressman

 

[MMS]

Freeze.

The whole point of Abraham being special was the idea of him NOT accepting or mixing with the traditions of those around him.
He supposedly didn’t even accept the traditions of his Father in Ur when they deviated from Yahweh worship,
and he (nor Isaac or Jacob) mixed with the Canaanites.

thats not true because of Judah

and before Abraham the characters in stories are indistinquishable with statues before Abraham. Thats the secret of "Ur" or Light of the Chaldees. Someone who emerged out of light surrounded by fire (Haran)

Yall never want to post in the root.

there is a jewish thread there actually "Language, Culture and Tradition" i think

 

[Sleepy Floyd]

1-star for posting pagan babble

How were the Sumerians able to communicate with the Jews and Egyptians?

Tower of Babel babble

 

[Robbie3000]

but do you actually understand this

2 Samuel 6:14 Hebrew Text Analysis

trust me when I say this, none of the mesopotamian or canaanite traditions understand that God

secondly as @Taadow said, there are two Baals(Lords). Lord of Sloth(Peor) and Lord of the Mountain (Zaphon)

and in the Egyptian understanding Amun represented "inactivity" or Niau

Ogdoad (Egyptian) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

so what you see as a battle is actually another way of describing sex

near the respective organs they appear to have no life in them, but the bronze age thinkers knew that in fact there was life there and entire priesthoods to each side...

that said "that God" is the one who opens the womb which is why this line is telling

Exodus 13:2 Hebrew Text Analysis

Right.......

 

[Brian O'Conner]

Old Testament Stories with Borrowings from Ancient Sumerian Myths


Based on historical evidence from excavated cuneiform tablets, ruins, and preserved writings dating back to ancient Sumeria (circa 3000–2000 BCE), several narratives in the Old Testament, particularly in Genesis, exhibit clear parallels and likely borrowings from Sumerian mythology. These connections are supported by artifacts discovered at Sumerian sites such as Nippur, Eridu, and Ur, where clay tablets inscribed in Sumerian cuneiform have been unearthed. The Sumerian texts predate the Hebrew Bible by millennia, suggesting that Israelite scribes adapted these stories during periods of cultural exchange, such as the Babylonian Exile (6th century BCE). Below, I outline the key borrowed stories, focusing solely on archaeologically verified evidence like tablets and ruins, without speculation.


1. The Creation of the World and Humanity (Genesis 1–2)


The Genesis account of God creating the world in stages, forming humans from dust/clay, and establishing order from chaos parallels Sumerian creation myths preserved on cuneiform tablets. In these myths, gods like Enki (god of wisdom and water) create humanity from clay to serve the deities, relieving them of labor—a motif echoed in Genesis where humans are made from earth to till the ground.


• Historical Evidence: The Eridu Genesis (also called the Sumerian Creation Myth), dated to around 1600 BCE but based on older oral traditions, was excavated on a tablet from the Sumerian city of Nippur. This tablet describes the gods creating cities and humans from clay, establishing kingship, and a pre-flood world, similar to Genesis’ structured creation sequence. Another Sumerian text, Enki and Ninhursag (from tablets found at Nippur and other sites), details Enki creating humans in a paradise-like setting from clay mixed with divine essence, mirroring Adam’s formation from dust. Ruins at Eridu, the mythical first city in Sumerian lore, include temple foundations dating to 5000 BCE, supporting the cultural context of these creation stories.


2. The Garden of Eden and the Fall of Humanity (Genesis 2–3)


Genesis depicts a paradise garden (Eden) where the first humans live in harmony until they eat forbidden fruit, leading to expulsion and mortality. This borrows from Sumerian myths of a divine garden paradise, such as Dilmun, where humans interact with gods but face consequences for disobedience.


• Historical Evidence: Tablets from Nippur preserve the Myth of Enki and Ninhursag (circa 2000 BCE), describing Dilmun as a pure, deathless garden created by Enki, where he and the goddess Ninhursag form humans. Enki eats forbidden plants, leading to curses and ailments, akin to the forbidden fruit and resulting punishment in Eden. A Babylonian tablet (adapted from Sumerian traditions) transcribed by scholar George A. Barton details an “expulsion from a garden” to perform labor like threshing and irrigating, paralleling Adam and Eve’s banishment to toil the earth. Ruins at Eridu, including ziggurat remains from 4000 BCE, are linked to this garden myth, as Eridu was considered the site of a sacred garden in Sumerian texts.

3. The Great Flood (Genesis 6–9)


The story of Noah building an ark to survive a divine flood, saving his family and animals, is one of the clearest borrowings, directly paralleling Sumerian flood myths where a hero is warned by a god to build a boat amid a cataclysmic deluge.


• Historical Evidence: The Eridu Genesis tablet from Nippur (circa 1600 BCE) recounts the gods deciding to flood the earth due to human noise, with the hero Ziusudra (a pious king) building a boat to preserve life, animals, and seeds. The flood lasts seven days, and Ziusudra offers sacrifices afterward, similar to Noah’s ark, birds released to find land, and post-flood covenant. Sumerian tablets from Ur and other sites, including the Sumerian King List (multiple copies from 2000 BCE), mention a great flood dividing history into pre- and post-diluvian eras. Flood layers in ruins at Ur (excavated by Leonard Woolley in the 1920s) date to around 2900 BCE, providing physical evidence of a regional deluge that may have inspired these myths.

4. The Tower of Babel and the Confusion of Languages (Genesis 11)


Genesis describes humans building a tower to reach heaven, leading God to confuse their languages and scatter them. This draws from Sumerian accounts of ziggurats (stepped temples) as links between heaven and earth, and myths of linguistic division.


• Historical Evidence: A Sumerian cuneiform tablet preserves the “nam-shub of Enki,” describing a unified human language confounded by the god Enki as punishment, causing contention among harmonious peoples—directly paralleling the biblical scattering. Ziggurat ruins, such as the Great Ziggurat of Ur (built circa 2100 BCE by King Ur-Nammu, with baked brick and bitumen construction), represent the “tower” archetype. Over 30 ziggurat sites have been excavated across Mesopotamia, including Etemenanki in Babylon (ruins dated to 600 BCE, but with Sumerian origins). A Babylonian tablet from the Schøyen Collection (6th century BCE) depicts King Nebuchadnezzar II beside a ziggurat, confirming these structures as monumental “towers” linked to divine ambition.


These borrowings reflect shared Mesopotamian cultural heritage, with Sumerian tablets providing the earliest written evidence. While later Akkadian and Babylonian versions (e.g., Epic of Gilgamesh from Nineveh tablets) amplified these stories, the core elements trace back to Sumerian

 

[MMS]

Right.......

listen you make a claim insinuating that its "discrediting" it

but its not, its actually bolstering it

before the Torah, Hashem was conflated with Horus...the big thing was he was the "Son" of the woman or the "distant one". The Torah is a literal metaphysical weapon

unless you lived in that time you wouldnt completely understand what they were looking for in the world. To a "stone writer" the entities emerging out of the stones were chimeric. So many of the stories of that time are designed specifically to put that quality of the world at bay. This all changed with papyrus and ink

Genesis 2:19 Hebrew Text Analysis

as I said in another thread, the "image of God" is not at the top of the page of genesis 1 but where it says "Let us make man in our image after our likeness"

so the battle is between the image of man and the chimeras

 

[HarlemHottie]

this will come off as cryptic

but if you want the appropriate lense

try to imagine dying beside a campfire in a blizzard

and your corpse festering with microbes (midgard)

Cryptic indeed, but also weirdly specific on the gross stuff.

 

[MMS]

Cryptic indeed, but also weirdly specific on the gross stuff.

odinism requires going "within" to understand

thats why Odin and his brothers "rebuilt" Ymir into Midgard

Taken together, several stanzas from four poems collected in the Poetic Edda refer to Ymir as a primeval being who was born from atter (Old Norse: eitr), yeasty venom that dripped from the icy rivers called the Élivágar, and lived in the grassless void of Ginnungagap. Ymir gave birth to a male and female from his armpits, and his legs together begat a six-headed being. The grandsons of Búri, the gods Odin and Vili and Vé, fashioned the Earth—elsewhere personified as a goddess named Jörð—from Ymir's flesh; the oceans from his blood; from his bones, the mountains; from his hair, the trees; from his brains, the clouds; from his skull, the heavens; and from his eyebrows, the middle realm in which humankind lives, Midgard. In addition, one stanza relates that the dwarfs were given life by the gods from Ymir's flesh and blood (or the Earth and sea).

so the person becomes the earth he stands on until returns to it etc. But the more important thing is: why does the mind require it to destroy one thing to create something else

this is why many of pagan norse were converted to christianity, its the presence of the animal logic that becomes apparent. There are other ways to approach this kind of idea

see @Marks video he posted here about "abstraction".

We are living in a world of illusion

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The issue with abstraction is when there is a second party. If you only exist you would endlessly loop within yourself, but if a second entity "exists" that looping mechanism would just appear to be like an amoeba trying to absorb other cells (see the microbe statement)

this is why abstraction is only one way of considering reality, so if you look at the apple in the video. The better look is the tree is funneling nutrients to its extremities and that its last function is to create something that it itself doesnt eat but other entities eat so that it can persist.

I forget where I posted it but its like this Esau and Jacob analysis

As we explain more elaborately in our article on How The Mind Works, the story of Jacob and Esau also tells the story of the symmetry breach that set digitigrade (toe-walkers, Esau) apart from plantigrade (flat-footers, Jacob). In nature, toe-walkers (bovines, sheep, horses, deer) roam the plains in massive herds, whereas flat-footers (mice, rabbits, beaver, humans) prefer to live in burrows, holes or lodges. Toe-walkers will run toward what they like and away from what they don't like, which gives them a typically bi-polar world view, based on the knowledge of good and evil (essentially a polytheism). Flat-footers will always run toward home (whether for safety from danger or for company of familiars). The world-view of flat-footers is essentially monotheistic, with the communal home at the center of everything. Toe-walkers place their individual selves at the center of everything.

if you were a horse, would you grow your own grass to eat it infinitely? or do you see other horses etc

EDIT

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 36 - King James Version

Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom. Esau took his wives of the daughters of Canaan; Adah the daughter of Elon the Hittite, and Aholibamah the daughter of Anah the daughter of Zibeon the Hivite; And Bashemath Ishmael's daughter, sister of Nebajoth. And Adah bare to Esau Eliphaz...

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