What, wait...how come we aren't given dual citizenship with Liberia?

[Dzali OG]

Theres one industry what exactly?

The entertainment industry should be ours. Previously we didn't have the money or connections to own and control it. But with technology now, there's no reason we shouldn't own it now. All it takes is a code.

 

[FlimFlam]

The entertainment industry should be ours. Previously we didn't have the money or connections to own and control it. But with technology now, there's no reason we shouldn't own it now. All it takes is a code.

The industry as a whole...i cant see that...but we can carve out n own our on industry (s) and present it to the world

BUT thats a labor or love and it alot comes with that. Im with that idea, but we have to realize it will operate at a loss for a while and there wont be no official platinum plaques grammys superbowl performances cross advertisement endorsements such as sprite McDonald's radio play no oprahs jay zs jordan type statures (for a while at least) etc..

It can and hell should be done but well have to not only educate but culture our people and children not to place value in all the aforementioned and supplement the void for leaving all that behind, and more .

If we cant feed we cant lead! (Which has been my ultimate underlying point)

 

[MischievousMonkey]

Why would Liberia give citizenships? Because AA are truly indigenous to the continent of America.







I'm just fukking with you breh breh. Like I said in the other thread you don't realize that giving citizenship to 45 millions people at once is not something anyone with a tad bit of responsibility would do without steel hard guarantees that that investment will bear fruits quickly and massively. The risks are too damn high for that side of the deal.

If you add into account the story of Liberia and the cohabitation of AAs and Africans there... That shyt ain't happening like that.

Props to you for thinking about solutions but you gotta be more grounded than that imo. We can't do these kind of moves with a snap of our fingers like Thanos

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Why does it have to be extremes? Why not open up a merit based citizenship program for African Americans or extended Visa program? The argument doesn’t have to jump from “why not grant AA’s citizenship” to “oh millions will come”...there’s a middle ground there and pretending as if there isn’t one is counter productive.

That's what I meant maybe I didn't word it right but I was trying to say having that program within several nations as opposed to one country. So people can settle faster as opposed to carving out a new republic in Africa.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

"Countries" populated by other black folks who participated in the slave trade, good sir.
It's either that or the route of vulnerable diaspora members from said countries having a host of new life difficulties in The West.
Choices.

That's reasonable and probably the way this will actually play out in reality. It's just a matter of time.

 

[Dzali OG]

Here's why it would not be one sided...

Lets say we can muster 1 million black americans willing to invest in Liberia. That's 1 million people willing to invest yearly into buying land and building infrastructure. In exchange they, and anyone else willing to invest is given dual citizenship.

Of course the hope is that more people will invest. This isn't a 1 week process but maybe like a 10 YEAR process!

It's a win for both sides.

 

[Deuterion]

Access to that kind of capital when where and how? EMPLOYED by people who have connections to that kinda capital? Sure....But income aint capital. And we aren't in a position to dispatch the capital were employed by it aint at our helm....we wouldn't have our southern kin living on literal official 3rd world conditions in the richest nation if that were the case

And , as i said, if we had it like that wed be getting courted for all kinds of shyt...you don't have to SELL money and opportunity...people and institutional bodies flock to it

I agree with the potential of that kind of connection , but aint shyt free...alliances are business ...that "we black" shyt only goes so far...doesn't really go far at all. Look at africa....something has to bind it because people have severe needs that needs to be met...us included

Black Americans actually do have capital when they pool their money together...we’ve recently seen Jay Morrison crowd fund 11 million from 11,000 people in 24 hours! Now, not every single investor in TREF Black but to state that we cannot combine our money to invest into Africa is foolish. Lastly, using the state of Blacks in the USA as a reason why we do not have the financial means to invest in Africa is ridiculous. Black Americans are not in bad shape because of our finances, we are in bad shape because of WHITE SUPREMACY and the policies it puts forth to disenfranchise and destroy our communities! Hence why we are talking about investing in Africa to establish outside the control of White supremacy.

Finally! Someone else who isn't either an idiot, or some type of (and I don't even use this word) agent. It seems like some these people are the often whispered about "agents".

I've made countless threads trying to bounce ideas and......shyt!

Your first response, my breh immediately went to " We can't handle 40 million extra people". As if all 40 million blacks here would jump on a boat at the same time. Hell, most of our 40 million would be too ignorant to participate. We would be lucky if 1 milli would contribute in any quantifiable manner.

And your second paragraph, I feel like I'm dealing with idiots. In a war there's things your opponent wants you to do, and things they don't want you to do. A good fighter interprets what his opponent doesn't want, and does the hell outta that!

An idiot can see black americans teaming up with continental afrikans is game over. And if a person really wanted white supremacy foot out their ass, they'd be as desperate as me to make shyt work.

Now I'm going to call a shot. If this thread continues, some person will reply similar to this:

Poster ______: Ok nikka we get dual citizenship. Now what or

Actually we are courted, or rather exploited for it. It's our overall position and problem.

In america we black people are the consumers everyone makes bank from. We're smokers living in a bigass traphouse, and america rents it out to everyone to come sell their rocks to us!

Yeah but there's one industry there's no reason we don't have total or partial ownership of and with technology, we actually have a chance too.

If afrika can't do a thing for you, you resign to the fact that you're destined to be the cacs bytch forever?

Cause without a homebase in afrika, black americans have very, very, slim chance of rising. You can't do jack shyt without a homebase and nowhere over here can be your homebase.

Blacks are very limited on how they can organize and operate over here on U.S. soil. In truth, with only minor difficulty, they can pass any law they want to lock any black person they want up. To lock EVERY black person they want up. If it's that serious this THREAD could get me disappeared!

THERE IS NO REAL COMING UP FOR BLACKS ON AMERICAN SOIL!

So I assume people with your mentality are not concerned with coming up? Thus never being a threat? Am I correct?

Thank you.

Courtship (in the sense im speaking of at least) and exploitation are the pathways to two different kinds of relationships though

Utilizing our relatively scant (on an american scale) spending power by selling us cheap shyt at a premium is nothing to celebrate ...that's 3rd world shyt it happens around the world over, its not just us

I was speaking on courtship on a scale of some body (a body, not an individual ) utilizing our supposed or prospective capital with propositions of mutual investment for growth and stability of some sort. shyt like caricom...the african union idea...the eu...those are grand as hell, but it can and does happen with fewer bodies on smaller scales. What alot of the world doesnt have in cash paper money they have in resources with can be leveraged...were working with hollow money ONLY...even our black rich people

We arent approached with these kind of propositions...were so disjointed (african Americans) what body OF OUR OWN (not no democrats naacp etc) could even be approached?

Hell gadadfi tried to give farrakhan a billion dollars back in 95 (not talking about the contruction of the temple in Chicago this was something else) and the us govt shut that shyt down. In the papers they were even trying to play gaddafi like he didnt have the money to do that

We are not being outwardly approached because our brothers and sisters in Africa are under the same spell of White supremacy as we are. We need them to wake up and understand the importance of our cooperation just as much as we need to in the diaspora. I have noticed that people of all colors get real concerned when they hear the talk of Black unity and cooperation...there always has to be some reason it will not work. The reason why is because shyt CHANGES AT THAT POINT. When we start partnering and building with our continental brothers and sisters the USA will no longer be able to sabotage our movements because they will be originating from a place it has no reach and financed by resources it doesnt control. Thats what the power structure does not want by any means...radical Black Americans with power and stability is not good for White supremacy.

 

[FlimFlam]

Black Americans actually do have capital when they pool their money together...we’ve recently seen Jay Morrison crowd fund 11 million from 11,000 people in 24 hours! Now, not every single investor in TREF Black but to state that we cannot combine our money to invest into Africa is foolish. Lastly, using the state of Blacks in the USA as a reason why we do not have the financial means to invest in Africa is ridiculous. Black Americans are not in bad shape because of our finances, we are in bad shape because of WHITE SUPREMACY and the policies it puts forth to disenfranchise and destroy our communities! Hence why we are talking about investing in Africa to establish outside the control of White supremacy.









Thank you.



We are not being outwardly approached because our brothers and sisters in Africa are under the same spell of White supremacy as we are. We need them to wake up and understand the importance of our cooperation just as much as we need to in the diaspora. I have noticed that people of all colors get real concerned when they hear the talk of Black unity and cooperation...there always has to be some reason it will not work. The reason why is because shyt CHANGES AT THAT POINT. When we start partnering and building with our continental brothers and sisters the USA will no longer be able to sabotage our movements because they will be originating from a place it has no reach and financed by resources it doesnt control. Thats what the power structure does not want by any means...radical Black Americans with power and stability is not good for White supremacy.

I never said we dont have money to pool...i said i infrastructure money...especially OUTSIDE of america infrastructure...thats hundreds of billions of dollars in the long haul ...

Approached by anyone...alliances are not limited to loose collective identities

Theres been dialogue of the pursuit of reparations from england by India for some time now....they are well aware of how england violated them...but they still eager to go out they way to do business witj them on piecemeal and institutional levels cause they know they got a bag and the alliance can and does bear fruits. Thats just one of countless global examples. I say that to say, people as individuals and collectives actively and knowingly do deals with the devil so to speak all the time...i cant buy that Being the reason we aint approached...

Ill say it again, people will go to the money and oppourtunity...white supremacy is always a component , im just trying to take the convo beyond the pop culture tropes because that's too simple of an umbrella to describe our isolation . It goes beyond psychology...that's just one component of many

 

[Dzali OG]

I have noticed that people of all colors get real concerned when they hear the talk of Black unity and cooperation...there always has to be some reason it will not work. The reason why is because shyt CHANGES AT THAT POINT. When we start partnering and building with our continental brothers and sisters the USA will no longer be able to sabotage our movements because they will be originating from a place it has no reach and financed by resources it doesnt control. Thats what the power structure does not want by any means...radical Black Americans with power and stability is not good for White supremacy.

Truth.

Can't believe these are black people I'm communicating with.