HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
what was the EXACT point Vince went wrong with Roman?
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It doesn't matter if Bryan came back or not...the fans were still more into Dean Ambrose and Ziggler and even Sandow...forgot about that? LOL.
royal rumble esp when rock came out n big him up smh it was awkward n not well received, they made up 4 it a yr later when he won the title but that still didnt sit well w any1 smh hopefully they make up 4 it AGAIN!
Somewhere around late '14...
Cause people forget, they BEEN had him running thru people so that can't really be it. He took out a whole damn team at Survivor Series '13, they cheered. Threw out 12 muhfukkas at the '14 Rumble, people cheered. When the Shield busted Evolution's ass, he was over. they broke the Shield up, and one time he faced off w/ HHH, crowd was ready for that to happen.
I think the turning point for him was when he was clearly being pushed toward the title and everyone wanted Bryan to come back and win the title. Add that to his increased mic time and lack of mic skills (that Jack & the Beanstalk promo was
). And being selected 'Superstar of the Year' 2014, the writing was on the wall... then the Rumble happened. It ain't been the same since.
Cause people forget, they BEEN had him running thru people so that can't really be it. He took out a whole damn team at Survivor Series '13, they cheered. Threw out 12 muhfukkas at the '14 Rumble, people cheered. When the Shield busted Evolution's ass, he was over. they broke the Shield up, and one time he faced off w/ HHH, crowd was ready for that to happen.
I think the turning point for him was when he was clearly being pushed toward the title and everyone wanted Bryan to come back and win the title. Add that to his increased mic time and lack of mic skills (that Jack & the Beanstalk promo was
). And being selected 'Superstar of the Year' 2014, the writing was on the wall... then the Rumble happened. It ain't been the same since.
WOAHMYGOODNESS
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...i knew bryan was that worse off but i see your point
Yeah like Shawn and Razor building themselves up in the intercontinental title stage don't know why WWE skips that stage for future main eventers
Intercontinental title used to mean what money in the bank is today... Your next up
Thing about the IC title, around the late-90s/Attitude Era when there was a new IC champion every week and a half, it stopped meaning that. And even tho' it was/is still occasionally used as a 'next up' title, it's very rarely been used effectively the way they used to. Granted, you had your Jeff Jarrett/Honky Tonk/etc. types who were never gonna be main eventers, but it still put someone in a good spot if they were IC champ. It eventually became a prop that got thrown from person to person whether they were over or not. It probably woulda been a good way to build Reigns after the Shield split, but they just opted to throw him straight to the main event.
TheAlbionist
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When they decided to make him a monster face without testing the waters with the crowd.
Rocky had to PAY DUES in order to become a monster face. Crowds hated him at first, so they gave him some of the best heel booking in the business before FINALLY allowing the Peoples Champion to rule the roost as a face.
The crowd bought into Austin waaaaay before he "officially" became a top face.
Hogan was the most over wrestler in the US before Hulkamania was coined. Hear other wrestlers tell it and he was an absolute drawing force... Wrestlemania made him and he made Wrestlemania.
Crowds were going nuts for Warrior when he was Warrioring his way to the IC championship... it became obvious that if anyone could accept the torch of all the adoring 10 year olds from Hulk, it was Warrior so he got the WM6 favours.
Roman is very much still a work in progress... in the words of JBL "he has everything a champion needs" APART from a connection and emotional history with the crowd. That can only come with time and good mid-card booking (a bit more like what Ambrose has had). You can only make someone a monster face if the crowd's already with you... you don't base your whole corporate business model around someone and THEN inform the fans. Especially if the fans have rejected the idea on multiple occasions.
The only true booking option for Roman is a leave of absence right now. Send him on 6 months of dark matches and Make A Wish appearances and have him reappear when everyone's least expecting it to demolish whoever is the crowd's darling by then. Give him the silk-shirt Corporate Rock push, turn the swag up and let him swim in the Roman Sucks chants for at LEAST a year.
Rocky had to PAY DUES in order to become a monster face. Crowds hated him at first, so they gave him some of the best heel booking in the business before FINALLY allowing the Peoples Champion to rule the roost as a face.
The crowd bought into Austin waaaaay before he "officially" became a top face.
Hogan was the most over wrestler in the US before Hulkamania was coined. Hear other wrestlers tell it and he was an absolute drawing force... Wrestlemania made him and he made Wrestlemania.
Crowds were going nuts for Warrior when he was Warrioring his way to the IC championship... it became obvious that if anyone could accept the torch of all the adoring 10 year olds from Hulk, it was Warrior so he got the WM6 favours.
Roman is very much still a work in progress... in the words of JBL "he has everything a champion needs" APART from a connection and emotional history with the crowd. That can only come with time and good mid-card booking (a bit more like what Ambrose has had). You can only make someone a monster face if the crowd's already with you... you don't base your whole corporate business model around someone and THEN inform the fans. Especially if the fans have rejected the idea on multiple occasions.
The only true booking option for Roman is a leave of absence right now. Send him on 6 months of dark matches and Make A Wish appearances and have him reappear when everyone's least expecting it to demolish whoever is the crowd's darling by then. Give him the silk-shirt Corporate Rock push, turn the swag up and let him swim in the Roman Sucks chants for at LEAST a year.
FunkDoc1112
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Their handling of him during his hernia injury. They gave him some of the douchiest via satellite interviews possible and then rushed his push when he returned.
They started having him cut promos in an effort to let him show off a personality that he doesn't have.
Don't forget, he was OVER as the man of few words ass-kicker in the Shield. There was no reason to deviate from that because that's what he's good at. He's not a good talker, he's not very charismatic.
Keep it simple, stupid.
Oh, and of course, there's the fact that they were trying to force Reigns on people when they wanted DB.
Don't forget, he was OVER as the man of few words ass-kicker in the Shield. There was no reason to deviate from that because that's what he's good at. He's not a good talker, he's not very charismatic.
Keep it simple, stupid.
Oh, and of course, there's the fact that they were trying to force Reigns on people when they wanted DB.
Here Comes the Pain
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He messed up by giving Reigns mic time. He's one of those guys that doesn't really need the mic like Goldberg and Lesnar, but he wants him to be like Cena so