what were ya thoughts when you first heard ice cubes "cave b**ch?"

[Knights89]

Let me also add that I felt Eminem was full of sh*t when he tried to throw X Clan under the bus when refering to what he thought was racism in Hip Hop. If he felt like that towards X Clan then he should have really felt some type of way towards Cube because he way was bigger then X Clan but pointing the finger at X Clan was easier because they were irrelevant to the 2004 crowd in contrast to Ice Cube who was and still is a big name in the game.

right around that time on Westside Connection alubm Cubbe said

I used to be a young phenom, Like lebron
Now I'm doin shyt beyond, Geghis Kahn
Peon, You can't pass on deon
The best rapper in the world ain't a european


then he saidOh shyt, it's N.W.A.!
Them nikkas on tour and they comin our way
Lil' Eminem is still tucked away
In that trailer park, just bumpin our tape

 

[Danie84]

I heard it later on in life, and it made my black girl heart smile

 

[smokeurobinson]

Didn't think much of it honestly because anyone with half a brain should've been able to separate Ice Cube the man from what he was saying on wax. I felt like he was voicing an opinion, same as on "Black Korea" or "Us". I didn't believe he had a deep-seated hatred for white women any more than I believed he moved to Missouri to sell crack on "My Summer Vacation", or went to jail on "The Product".

Obviously he was interacting with white people in some capacity....he worked with Lyor Cohen and was close friends with Mc Serch and The Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Not to mention he originally wanted Sam Sever to produce "Amerikkka's Most Wanted".

So I dunno. I was 17 when that album dropped, I was too old to take everything rappers said at face value, or be if they said something offensive.

Fred.

LOL @ the "half a brain" jab. Everything u said sounds cool..But let me tell u what I remember. This was 1993 not 2013. I didnt know who the hell Lyror Cohan was besides a name drop on EPMD's song "Boon Dox" let alone anything he might have been doing with Cube. If he did anything with Cube it was behind the scenes and not made public. The same with MC Search. His relationship with DJ Muggs was more well know even tho then I along with many others thought Muggs was Latino.. Now let me tell you what was made public. A year prior Cube had an album with Da Lench Mob...On this album the "white man bashing" was on 88 miles per hour. Also, he was always acknowledging his affiliation with Farrakhan so as for seperating the man from his words...I just couldnt do it because he was doing it constantly......Like I said before...thats the kind of talk Black folks do behind closed doors not openly so I believed thats where his mind really was.......I dont think it was hatred for white men or women in particular. I believe he was just caught up in the extermest Black Power moment....The extreme coming from his affiliations with NWA and then Public Enemy.




Also I remember in an inetrview where Cube said he originally wanted Dre to produce AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted, but thats another story.

 

[Xtraz2]

my reaction

we won't hear powerful music like that again

 

[Long Live The Kane]

The holy trinity of hip hop consciousness in my crib late 80's early 90's......Cube, KRS, Chuck. Them cats could do no wrong in my house.

LI was a 1st day $7.99 copp at Musicland. Me and my brother played the intro to Cave bytch for pops KNOWIN that was Khalid with that ether. Pops couldn't hold it before Cube even spit a verse, was fukkin dyin.He went and played the intro for my mama.

She hit us all with the

Personally, this hip hop shyt was a family affair at the time......real spit.

Yeah...that's kinda how it was for me, except it was my step pops putting me on...he was deep into that sh!t back then...used to ride around listening to Khalid Muhammad speeches on cassette in the car like it was the hottest album out...made me a dub of Lethal Injection and him and my moms got into it because she ain't want me listening to rap with cursing in it and sh!t

But yeah, first time I heard Cave B!tch i was pretty much like ...i was pretty much on my Huey Freeman sh!t back then

 

[hex]

LOL @ the "half a brain" jab. Everything u said sounds cool..But let me tell u what I remember. This was 1993 not 2013. I didnt know who the hell Lyror Cohan was besides a name drop on EPMD's song "Boon Dox" let alone anything he might have been doing with Cube. If he did anything with Cube it was behind the scenes and not made public. The same with MC Search. His relationship with DJ Muggs was more well know even tho then I along with many others thought Muggs was Latino.. Now let me tell you what was made public. A year prior Cube had an album with Da Lench Mob...On this album the "white man bashing" was on 88 miles per hour. Also, he was always acknowledging his affiliation with Farrakhan so as for seperating the man from his words...I just couldnt do it because he was doing it constantly......Like I said before...thats the kind of talk Black folks do behind closed doors not openly so I believed thats where his mind really was.......I dont think it was hatred for white men or women in particular. I believe he was just caught up in the extermest Black Power moment....The extreme coming from his affiliations with NWA and then Public Enemy.

Also I remember in an inetrview where Cube said he originally wanted Dre to produce AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted, but thats another story.

As far as I know you aren't white so that wasn't a jab at you. I meant any white person with any amount of critical thinking abilities could probably assume that Cube wasn't coasting through the Priority offices calling white women cave bytches. And no, I didn't specifically know he worked with Lyor Cohen until later....but he obviously worked with white people in some capacity to get his music released, so I didn't take what he said too seriously.

He did an article in Rolling Stone around the time "The Predator" came out and was asked why he had Red Hot Chilli Peppers in his "Wicked" video if he hated white people. And he said he doesn't hate white people in general, he's friends with that group, but he has to speak on the ones that he does have a problem with.

As far as 3rd Bass/Sam Sever, that's why Cube was originally in NY. He wasn't there to see PE, he was there to talk to Sam Sever about producing his album, via a suggestion from 3rd Bass, who he knew. Sam Sever flaked on him and he just happened to see PE as he was leaving. This was also touched upon years ago, in maybe....hell I don't remember what magazine, maybe The Source, but anyway this is something he mentioned again recently in one of those "The Making Of...." articles.

Anyway, I'm not trying to say Cube was fronting in his music, but he was the voice of a certain mindstate. And a lot of people don't understand that. I was talking to a Korean kid that said he can't listen to "Death Certificate" solely because of "Black Korea", and how racist it is. Which was to me because it would've been disingenuous of Cube to make an album about early 90s California without speaking on how racist the shop owners were. He couldn't grasp the concept that Cube was voicing an opinion that wasn't necessarily his own so I told him

Fred.

 

[SunZoo]

I was conflicted, yet at the same time I understood that this was hip hop and that saying this or that doesn't mean you push a hard line on it. 24/7 I never for a second took cube for somebody who was really racist, I saw him as someone who was trying to be provocative while saying some shyt that people could identify with.

Let me also add that I felt Eminem was full of sh*t when he tried to throw X Clan under the bus when refering to what he thought was racism in Hip Hop. If he felt like that towards X Clan then he should have really felt some type of way towards Cube because he way was bigger then X Clan but pointing the finger at X Clan was easier because they were irrelevant to the 2004 crowd in contrast to Ice Cube who was and still is a big name in the game.

I didn't take the x-clan shyt as a diss though, just his perception at the time, on the song anyway. Them nikkas whole steeze was centered around Afrocentric shyt from the clothes and everything, they had a movement that was a little bit more visceral than what cube was doing IMO.

Like I couldn't even really relate to them as much as I should have been because I never grew up around black empowerment, I grew up around gang bangers, I used to shave my head and tie my rags like cube, I used to idolize dude. Pro-blackness was about as foreign to me as the Cosby's, which is unfortunate. But cube putting those kinds of messages in his music made it easier to digest if that makes any sense.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Didn't respect the song, was ignorant.

 

[FaTaL]

It's crazy how we went from addressing racism head on and putting white folks on front street to jay-z caping for Barney's (white corporate america) and throwing Black folks under the bus. Times sure have changed.

that tells you more about jay then anything

 

[The_Hillsta]

Yeah...that's kinda how it was for me, except it was my step pops putting me on...he was deep into that sh!t back then...used to ride around listening to Khalid Muhammad speeches on cassette in the car like it was the hottest album out...made me a dub of Lethal Injection and him and my moms got into it because she ain't want me listening to rap with cursing in it and sh!t

But yeah, first time I heard Cave B!tch i was pretty much like ...i was pretty much on my Huey Freeman sh!t back then

Bruh, my people grew up on the southside of Chicago, Stateway Gardens 60's n 70's.. Before muthafukkaz had straps they would toss appliances off the project roofs, old wooden TV's, vacuum cleaners n shyt at the police. Stones would be at war with other gangs but they would STILL protect the people in the jects back then. NOI was huge in the Chi, granddaddy was in the Nation. The real enemy EVERYBODY hated back then was the police. The NOI and 5%ers was originally all about uplifting the blackman from a mental state of enslavement and being stepped on for so long.

To see that and really understand what those cats was tryin to do to uplift our people was beautiful when I was growin up.

Pops moved to the west coast and could COMPLETELY relate to 80's/90's hip hop of the younger generation coming up. He knew Exactly where Cube, Chuck, BDP, was coming from. From a street and righteousness perspective. He would break down the lyrics with me and my brothers. Would school us on the samples because most of the shyt was from his era growin up. We truly enjoyed listening to the stories about his favorite artists of his time. We was all ONE.

Bruh, cats sometimes take for granted that era of hip hop music that some of us was blessed to experience and be a part of. Man that shyt was comparable to the Motown run musically. And To see rap cats like Cube, Chuck, Krs, Ice T, Too Live, on TV in politics, scaring the shyt out of government and police, pissin off white amerikkka at the time was fukkin amazing to witness as a teen. Like Xtraz2 said we ain't gone EVER witness no shyt like that again musically in that capacity n climate.

 

[PHamm]

Bruh, my people grew up on the southside of Chicago, Stateway Gardens 60's n 70's.. Before muthafukkaz had straps they would toss appliances off the project roofs, old wooden TV's, vacuum cleaners n shyt at the police. Stones would be at war with other gangs but they would STILL protect the people in the jects back then. NOI was huge in the Chi, granddaddy was in the Nation. The real enemy EVERYBODY hated back then was the police. The NOI and 5%ers was originally all about uplifting the blackman from a mental state of enslavement and being stepped on for so long.

To see that and really understand what those cats was tryin to do to uplift our people was beautiful when I was growin up.

Pops moved to the west coast and could COMPLETELY relate to 80's/90's hip hop of the younger generation coming up. He knew Exactly where Cube, Chuck, BDP, was coming from. From a street and righteousness perspective. He would break down the lyrics with me and my brothers. Would school us on the samples because most of the shyt was from his era growin up. We truly enjoyed listening to the stories about his favorite artists of his time. We was all ONE.

Bruh, cats sometimes take for granted that era of hip hop music that some of us was blessed to experience and be a part of. Man that shyt was comparable to the Motown run musically. And To see rap cats like Cube, Chuck, Krs, Ice T, Too Live, on TV in politics, scaring the shyt out of government and police, pissin off white amerikkka at the time was fukkin amazing to witness as a teen. Like Xtraz2 said we ain't gone EVER witness no shyt like that again musically in that capacity n climate.

that's my GOAT Rap era

 

[PHamm]

@biscuitsnbangers

isn't that poster a bytch ? even more interested now ...

 

[aRoMaN21]

isn't that poster a bytch ? even more interested now ...

ask her for her pic

 

[PHamm]

ask her for her pic

im not in her good books. go for it tho, breh

 

[aRoMaN21]

im not in her good books. go for it tho, breh

i already seen, hence the @ i did earlier