bigbadbossup2012
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Lmao
what would a top 5 list in 1994 look like?
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BmoreGorilla
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Nah no hate at all. Pac was never considered a great MC till he died
By 94 Redman and Treach both had better material than Pac
Pac was just arriving as an artist/lyricist during '94. Anybody that tells you otherwise is retro-stanning. This was when he was starting to put out his best material to date, this was when he had established the "Pac flow" and his voice. This was happening in late '93/'94. He hadn't dropped a classic album yet, he had become a star through his hit singles, movie roles, and of course the news headlines. He was on his way to putting out his best albums, but he def. wasn't there yet.
bigbadbossup2012
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I'd putNah no hate at all. Pac was never considered a great MC till he died
By 94 Redman and Treach both had better material than Pac
2pacalypse now
Strictly
and Thuglife
against naughty or what redman had done by the end of 94'.
Pac all day
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
S4MN established the pac flow in early 93'
Thuglife is a classic with multiple classic songs to back it
Bury me a g
Str8 ballin
pour out a lil lquor
how long will they mourn me etc.
And i was personnally involved in convos about how "pac would take over if he got some better beats" (prior to thuglife)
With that said,he didnt make my top 5 1994 goat list because i had better options with greater longevity/consistency up to that point
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
A ranking of 1993 would be better because 94, was a year where the older staples were not in the market place.
plus, that year could be described as the year the sonic landscape distinctly changed and then the sonic landscape changed again by 1995.
then another sonic landscape change in 1996, and another in 1997, and then the glass ceiling was completely shattered in 1998 after the death of pac and big.
1994 was the start of the technical revolution and it was a lull in the release envelope of the greats because they just released on schedule in 1991-1993.
which for the time was usually a two year sales window gap, between releases.
by march of 1994, the technical revolution had been ushered in and only rakim, krs, kool g, redman, cube [before it became widely known he had a gw's, i knew but not everyone knew then.]
could be viewed as on or just slightly above jeru and nas skillset and tier.
nas and jeru were that profound a talent that nas was the actual changing of the guard, in the sonic landscape culturally and bar to bar.
so he would have been top five immediately in that year even as the new guy.
including the fact at the time, jeru was suffering at the time the worst delay in rap record history for the time. till being lapped by the big l release that took two years more after it in 1992-1993 slated release.
[big l would not drop till 1996, in jeru's case he would have been ranked really high in the styles war era if he dropped when originally slated to]
as a matter of fact, nas could have been the goat, rather easily.
if he remained culturally true and actually adhered and got better skillwise and in vocal tonality in the changing of the sonic landscapes.
yet nas lost his one of the illest vocal voices ever and fell so offkey and sometimes offbeat. [the nikka nas used to have the most vocally sinister voice in rap i ever heard originally]
it is difficult to rank him above rakim after seventh seal. as rakim showed the full gamut of an emcee on seventh seal.
in any and every facet you could ask in any direction on a sonic landscape you could ask.
if we discuss the idea of nas as the all time goat.
which he fails in skill marks alone to rakim. not to mention culturally as well.
in 1994, snoop and pac were not changing the emcee skillset.
nor the sonic landscape more than what already existed and were not ushering in a technical revolution.
as their sonic landscape based in gangsta rap sonically and funk was still ushered in by the origins of rap and later amalgamated and lifted from erick sermon.
yet never was better than erick sermon as a funk producer in rap.
plus, neither up'd skill under duress,..they both succumbed to the pr and marketing of their pop draw and not an up in skill.
they were just adding onto the draw supplied by cube making gangsta rap have its black nationalist edge.
which cube soon jettisoned in that exact year and also killed the source at the same time as well.
including the light and pretty much any and all the direction genre fueled draw that singlehandidly is the opus from, dead homies.
plus, the actual content and track listing style basis used for pretty much any pop commercial gangsta rap album of the era and later the direction of damn near all rap albums currently as well.
yet, in that exact time pac, and snoop were not viewed as this overprocessed from mass influx of pop fans.
to falsely try to alter the culture based narrative of the time.
not to mention, bone was actually better bar to bar than both pac and snoop.
including bone had a better control of their full direction as artist and were higher drawing in the pop genre of gangsta rap.
not to mention, bone would have destroyed snoop or pac in the realm of content and skill of their genre if they clashed and would have also succumbed to the larger draw of bone for that exact time as well.
plus the fact cube was viewed as falling off on the predator and going commercial.
till he eventually created an even more bullshyt gangsta pop rapper type.
which, pac soon gravitated towards the change in cube draw and also emulated. in the same manner pac always emulated cube's direction.
plus before the sonic landscape for that exact time in skill, b real was the best emcee all around in that styles era based time, predating this in 91-93.
before krs relaunched as a solo artist and resolidified why he was the teacha for the time.
granted i did not want to talk about this because shyt is in such disarray till krs is dispatched. there is no need to try to speak on the top five back then at all, cause we were all duped by a noncaring bih nikka who campaigned to be the teacha.
yet, allowed a pedo free sexual deviance reign in a culture.
that is completely and distinctly anti gay as well.
to the point, even krs talking some sexual preference pass infalliable shyt for bam is a complete cultural violation of the highest type.
as hiphop in the new school way of thought is anti-gay.
so, for the exact time the best skillwise at that exact time by legacy was krs, but that calls into question how we were all duped, then tho.
yet, krs ushered in the very new school hard core bboy revolution that enabled the culture to have legs after the destruction of all the pillars as drawing gateways.
if no krs we don't get to talk about any of this...
yet, he duped us all and just supplied subterfuge instead of keeping it real.
art barr
plus, that year could be described as the year the sonic landscape distinctly changed and then the sonic landscape changed again by 1995.
then another sonic landscape change in 1996, and another in 1997, and then the glass ceiling was completely shattered in 1998 after the death of pac and big.
1994 was the start of the technical revolution and it was a lull in the release envelope of the greats because they just released on schedule in 1991-1993.
which for the time was usually a two year sales window gap, between releases.
by march of 1994, the technical revolution had been ushered in and only rakim, krs, kool g, redman, cube [before it became widely known he had a gw's, i knew but not everyone knew then.]
could be viewed as on or just slightly above jeru and nas skillset and tier.
nas and jeru were that profound a talent that nas was the actual changing of the guard, in the sonic landscape culturally and bar to bar.
so he would have been top five immediately in that year even as the new guy.
including the fact at the time, jeru was suffering at the time the worst delay in rap record history for the time. till being lapped by the big l release that took two years more after it in 1992-1993 slated release.
[big l would not drop till 1996, in jeru's case he would have been ranked really high in the styles war era if he dropped when originally slated to]
as a matter of fact, nas could have been the goat, rather easily.
if he remained culturally true and actually adhered and got better skillwise and in vocal tonality in the changing of the sonic landscapes.
yet nas lost his one of the illest vocal voices ever and fell so offkey and sometimes offbeat. [the nikka nas used to have the most vocally sinister voice in rap i ever heard originally]
it is difficult to rank him above rakim after seventh seal. as rakim showed the full gamut of an emcee on seventh seal.
in any and every facet you could ask in any direction on a sonic landscape you could ask.
if we discuss the idea of nas as the all time goat.
which he fails in skill marks alone to rakim. not to mention culturally as well.
in 1994, snoop and pac were not changing the emcee skillset.
nor the sonic landscape more than what already existed and were not ushering in a technical revolution.
as their sonic landscape based in gangsta rap sonically and funk was still ushered in by the origins of rap and later amalgamated and lifted from erick sermon.
yet never was better than erick sermon as a funk producer in rap.
plus, neither up'd skill under duress,..they both succumbed to the pr and marketing of their pop draw and not an up in skill.
they were just adding onto the draw supplied by cube making gangsta rap have its black nationalist edge.
which cube soon jettisoned in that exact year and also killed the source at the same time as well.
including the light and pretty much any and all the direction genre fueled draw that singlehandidly is the opus from, dead homies.
plus, the actual content and track listing style basis used for pretty much any pop commercial gangsta rap album of the era and later the direction of damn near all rap albums currently as well.
yet, in that exact time pac, and snoop were not viewed as this overprocessed from mass influx of pop fans.
to falsely try to alter the culture based narrative of the time.
not to mention, bone was actually better bar to bar than both pac and snoop.
including bone had a better control of their full direction as artist and were higher drawing in the pop genre of gangsta rap.
not to mention, bone would have destroyed snoop or pac in the realm of content and skill of their genre if they clashed and would have also succumbed to the larger draw of bone for that exact time as well.
plus the fact cube was viewed as falling off on the predator and going commercial.
till he eventually created an even more bullshyt gangsta pop rapper type.
which, pac soon gravitated towards the change in cube draw and also emulated. in the same manner pac always emulated cube's direction.
plus before the sonic landscape for that exact time in skill, b real was the best emcee all around in that styles era based time, predating this in 91-93.
before krs relaunched as a solo artist and resolidified why he was the teacha for the time.
granted i did not want to talk about this because shyt is in such disarray till krs is dispatched. there is no need to try to speak on the top five back then at all, cause we were all duped by a noncaring bih nikka who campaigned to be the teacha.
yet, allowed a pedo free sexual deviance reign in a culture.
that is completely and distinctly anti gay as well.
to the point, even krs talking some sexual preference pass infalliable shyt for bam is a complete cultural violation of the highest type.
as hiphop in the new school way of thought is anti-gay.
so, for the exact time the best skillwise at that exact time by legacy was krs, but that calls into question how we were all duped, then tho.
yet, krs ushered in the very new school hard core bboy revolution that enabled the culture to have legs after the destruction of all the pillars as drawing gateways.
if no krs we don't get to talk about any of this...
yet, he duped us all and just supplied subterfuge instead of keeping it real.
art barr
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Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Rakim was The God. KRS just gave us Return Of The Boom Bap. Cube was the #1 rapper in the game. LL had Back Seats and Pink Cookies around this time solidifying his longevity
. Grand Puba abd Redman were gifts from the 90's hip hop gods. Lyte and Latifah were the top females. Scarface had Rap A Lot on his back. G Rap gave us mafioso rap before 4,5,6.
And Kane was still that nikka although 94 would be his last shining year
g rap in this time, predating 1994 on live and let die.
showed he was the greatest gangsta rapper of all time in any and very way or sonic landscape applicable.
at any speed, skill, lyric type, or era of song in any possible way culturally or in a commercial gangsta rap realm as well.
puba was on another level but dead by 94, and viewed in the same severe falloff try hard sellout swag tommy came to be in that exact time too.
art barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
yes, kane was a dead cold fell off draw by 1994.
as he had fallen off once and came back then fell off again.
plus had gotten out rapped so bad on live and let die....
it was no way to keep giving him precedence in 1994.
art barr
bigbadbossup2012
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nikkas love spitting their opinion as if it's FACT.
Cube was viewed as falling off when he had CHECK YOURSELF,IT WAS A GOOD DAY and WICKED out?
Also went plat in 2 months.
Who viewed him as falling off?
nikkas just be making shyt up
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bigbadbossup2012
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So what nas did on illmatic,placed him above LL's legacy,heavy's legacy? And others?
What was new about illmatic or nas as an mc in general?
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
It's funny that nikkas would make a comment like this,when Nas didnt up anything lyrically,creatively nor vocally with Illmatic.
Meanwhile,Pac and snoop had their own sound and had already became one of a kind stand out artist by 1994 (and even before)
nikkas will point out how cube influenced snoop and pac (which is very true) but ignore how nas was a rakim knockoff in 1994.
(i have no idea why we're talking about producers)
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
Bone is one of my two favorite hiphop groups. HOWEVER no member of bone (in 1994) proved themselves to be better or equal pac or snoop on CREEPIN ON AH COME UP,alone.
Also this insertion was pointless and only used to hate even further.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
You do realize check ya self the das efc remix and wicked were the start of the destruction of his draw cultural draw for the time and then he sold out even further and the source was destroyed as collateral damage on Westside tho.
Like I said you do not know hiphop culture at all and you need to be quiet.
You not no bboy so why you always speaking like you was in the culture and YOU DEFINITELY WERE NOT,....AT fukk'N ALL.
You still not a bboy.
nikka know you just a standard pop gangsta rap fan hand at best.
Why you keep.trying to talk about hiphop like you took part in it, I dunno and is a joke to anyone cultural in the know.
Also no you don't know gangsta rap better than me. You better recognize you toy you and stop fakin the fukk'n funk.
You not fool'n, nobody at all.
Art Barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Bizzy and crazy was regarded as way more skilled than Pac or snoop, breh.
This was in the end of the styles wae era before the technical revolution and in the ushering culturally of that evolution brought in by nas on ilmatic culturally.
Plus, at that time bizzy was the biggest in your precious pop commercial gangsta rap circles of the slow run burn from creep'n.
As literall bizzy was the most popular and regard nikka on earth at this exact fukk'n time. Snoop nor Pac were as big or followed by gangsta rap fans like bizzy at that exact time.
Y'all talk'n like snoop and Pac were culturally regarded for skill and they were not. They were culturally taboo gangsta rappers. One in Pac had a tether culturally but he overplayed his hand and did to much. When all he had to do was just be. Instead he sought out his issues. When culturally. Why was he seeking all that. When culturally all that shyt was justuxaposed. Both had developing or obvious Mecca envy and why they were having the issues they had or were having exactly then. Maybe Pac pandered originally like cube did and snoop did not. Yet all three eventually showed they had Mecca envy. Plus resulted in the decline of their original draw till it was relaunched numerous times in direction.
as far as cube and snoop are concerned.
Later, snoop was the only one who really later on culturally tried to tether himself to the culture in the early 2000's with music direction change with hi Tec. Yet before that, snoop was strictly demonstrating Mecca envy, Pac and cube pandered and did to much. Resulting is what occurred.
Which was more blatant prison industrial economy marketing bullahit and a complete deviation away from the culture based draw they pandered for originally.
The problem with you is you are not a bboy and do not know hiphop culture.
Art Barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
LL and heavy were regarded as complete cultural sellouts at this exact time. As a matter of fact. Death of trouble t Roy is how puff found out in death how large a draw rap would be. Plus how he could nav the windfall from death and use it to his opportunity.
You also must have missed thirteen shots to the dome because on that album people ostracized LL for biting and being way out of the realm of what LL was visually in his videos. If not for his actual twelve inch single to pink cookies and the bsode remix. LL may not have had any way to tether back from the abyss at that exact time as well.
Nas culturally ushered in the technical revolution and changed the sonic landscape culturally with illmatic.
You keep asking all these discoveryzone questions because you are not culturally a part of hiphop.
I hope you get the discoveryzone you nerd for.
yet, if you try an agenda, the truth will stop you.
Art Barr
