what would a top 5 list in 1994 look like?

[bigbadbossup2012]

You do realize check ya self the das efc remix and wicked were the start of the destruction of his draw cultural draw for the time and then he sold out even further and the source was destroyed as collateral damage on Westside tho.

Like I said you do not know hiphop culture at all and you need to be quiet.

You not no bboy so why you always speaking like you was in the culture and YOU DEFINITELY WERE NOT,....AT fukk'N ALL.

You still not a bboy.

nikka know you just a standard pop gangsta rap fan hand at best.

Why you keep.trying to talk about hiphop like you took part in it, I dunno and is a joke to anyone cultural in the know.

Also no you don't know gangsta rap better than me. You better recognize you toy you and stop fakin the fukk'n funk.

You not fool'n, nobody at all.


Art Barr

Cube was that nikka during Predator.
Every single was on hit and classic.
Keep hating though

 

[Art Barr]

I know what the op is asking. And I don't agree with most post in this thread still. And ra, was not the goat prior to their deaths. East coast media pumped him up as such,but that was going on even after their deaths. For instance after pac's death,BLAZE magazine rated him #7 and rakim #1. Real hip hop fans revolted,they had a vote and THE GENERAL PUBLIC had Pac #1 .

You do realize blaze magazine was a subsidiary of vibe trying to steal a cultural draw and space in pr. Plus you said rap and we talking about hiphop actual fukk'n culture not misappropiated buzzword bullshyt centered around the word rap as a pop connotation.


You exposing more of what anyone knows you not the more you keep talking.

Also ...i hope you try to dispute because I know etf I am talembout because I had to call and fact check the vibe/blaze office for posting juice's home phone number in the online article. Which was much much later.

Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Cube was that nikka during Predator.
Every single was on hit and classic.
Keep hating though

Funny you posting meme's around a complete fukk'n fraud in dese streets
. Stop. It.

You do not and never know wtf you talembout.


Art Barr

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

LL and heavy were regarded as complete cultural sellouts at this exact time. As a matter of fact. Death of trouble t Roy is how puff found out in death how large a draw rap would be. Plus how he could nav the windfall from death and use it to his opportunity.

You also must have missed thirteen shots to the dome because on that album people ostracized LL for biting and being way out of the realm of what LL was visually in his videos. If not for his actual twelve inch single to pink cookies and the bsode remix. LL may not have had any way to tether back from the abyss at that exact time as well.
Nas culturally ushered in the technical revolution and changed the sonic landscape culturally with illmatic.

You keep asking all these discoveryzone questions because you are not culturally a part of hiphop.
I hope you get the discoveryzone you nerd for.
yet, if you try an agenda, the truth will stop you.

Art Barr

I dont give a fukk whom a bunch of dusty wack rappers (like you) thought were sell outs and why should I?
it's about who did what and aint no list on here fukking with mine because of those FACTS.
nikkas will label a rapper a "sell out" cause he got big cross over records,as if hiphop didnt start on some party shyt in the first place.
nikkas act like hiphop is about dark dusty beats on on some grimy shyt. Naw that;s just some nikkas preference PERIOD.
And for the record,i on an earlier post (in this thread) noted how LL was in trouble with 14 shots and it was considered a miss. However being that 3 of his first four albums prior to that were ABSOLUTE classics,he makes the list anyway,plus he returned to prominence on the very next album anyway.
So yea LL deserved that slot.

What exactly changed because of nas.
What did nas do (that wasnt going on already) that people shifted to?

Be exact

 

[Art Barr]

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I dont give a fukk whom a bunch of dusty wack rappers (like you) thought were sell outs and why should I?
it's about who did what and aint no list on here fukking with mine because of those FACTS.
nikkas will label a rapper a "sell out" cause he got big cross over records,as if hiphop didnt start on some party shyt in the first place.
nikkas act like hiphop is about dark dusty beats on on some grimy shyt. Naw that;s just some nikkas preference PERIOD.
And for the record,i on an earlier post (in this thread) noted how LL was in trouble with 14 shots and it was considered a miss. However being that 3 of his first four albums prior to that were ABSOLUTE classics,he makes the list anyway,plus he returned to prominence on the very next album anyway.
So yea LL deserved that slot.

What exactly changed because of nas.
What did nas do (that wasnt going on already) that people shifted to?

Be exact

nikka you talking like LL was regarded in the ranking after mama.said.
When LL had a to long of a lull in the release schedule of shots because he was so big on mama said. Which lead to him following the trend of being hard like gangsta rap and then like gangsta rap following the same template gangsta rap adopts from the draw of kill at will as a track list and in execution of content. Including, the fact he included a saving grace in all we got left is the beat.
To.possibly tether himself to the stop the violence movement based content five years after the fact that was a relevant drawing point for him as an artist. When he never partook because he followed the defjam be a pop star routine. Where he followed the orders of drfjam handlers request and was not in stop the violence. Yet present there on the set that day of the video recording like he always was on most important videos sets in that era.
This post completely shows you a pop fan with no cultural awareness and have complete cultural disconnect. As you do not and not even aware of the actual new school way of thought being ushered in that allowed rap to go further. When it was headed as a dead draw before krs, period.
Now granted you speaking with no actual cultiral or cognitive register for that time and anyone can easily see...
YOU DO NOT KNOW WTF YOU ARE TALEMBOUT from a cultural hiphop based standpoint.

simple as that.

In 1994, the styles era was ushered out and nas changed the entire technical rubrick and standard dynamic. Including the sonic landscape change as well.
That is why I know you do not know this culture like that.
As you do not even recognize culturally or have any wherewithal for skill sets and you think sales sets a skill precedent and it does not in hiphop.

Again keep talking and further expose edicts and background of culture based pillars you don't know.
You talking from a misappropriated gateway at best Viacom MTV created rap fan. You are not apart of hiphop.

I have no idea why you even try to enter these discussions.
When you know factually and cognitively nuffin about that time culturally about actual hiphop culture.

Any bboy can readily see you a toy. Any bboy or bgirl can easily see that about you.



Art Barr

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

1.Bizzy and crazy was regarded as way more skilled than Pac or snoop, breh.
This was in the end of the styles wae era before the technical revolution and in the ushering culturally of that 2evolution brought in by nas on ilmatic culturally.
Plus, at that time bizzy was the biggest in your precious pop commercial gangsta rap circles of the slow run burn from creep'n.
3.As literall bizzy was the most popular and regard nikka on earth at this exact fukk'n time. Snoop nor Pac were as big or followed by gangsta rap fans like bizzy at that exact time.

Y'all talk'n like snoop and Pac were culturally regarded for skill and they were not. They were culturally taboo gangsta rappers. One in Pac had a tether culturally but he overplayed his hand and did to much. When all he had to do was just be. Instead he sought out his issues. When culturally. Why was he seeking all that. When culturally all that shyt was justuxaposed. Both had developing or obvious Mecca envy and why they were having the issues they had or were having exactly then. Maybe Pac pandered originally like cube did and snoop did not. Yet all three eventually showed they had Mecca envy. Plus resulted in the decline of their original draw till it was relaunched numerous times in direction.
as far as cube and snoop are concerned.
Later, snoop was the only one who really later on culturally tried to tether himself to the culture in the early 2000's with music direction change with hi Tec. Yet before that, snoop was strictly demonstrating Mecca envy, Pac and cube pandered and did to much. Resulting is what occurred.
Which was more blatant prison industrial economy marketing bullahit and a complete deviation away from the culture based draw they pandered for originally.

The problem with you is you are not a bboy and do not know hiphop culture.


Art Barr

1. We loved krayzie and Bizzy,however neither of them name was ringing bells individually like 2pac's was. You're just pulling shyt out your ass to hate and downplay pac & snoop.

2pac had memorable features
Solo classic songs
Big hits on HIS album
Classic soundtrack appearances on poetic justice soundtrack and above the rim
More classic songs on the thuglife album all by the end of 1994

Snoop had classic appearances on deep cover
all throughout THE CHRONIC and his own album doggystyle
plus additional classics on
Above the rim soundtrack and The murder was the case soundtrack

Creepin on ah come up alone did not place bizzy or krayzie above snoop or pac.

2.nikkas love claiming THE STYLES ERA ended,even though nikkas with dope styles kept running hiphop and Nas never ran ANY year in hiphop,even at his peak.

3.In this thread you're saying Bizzy was the most popular on the planet in 1994,but i have receipts of you talking entirely different in another thread. I guess you switch things around depending on where you're directing your hate. #FAKEassnikkaS

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Bone was not individualized as a collective or given props skillwise.
till 1995 from the change of rap being marketed culturally to a pop sentiment wholeheartedly.

Art Barr

Keep frontin
The problem with you is you're emotional,opinionated in a bias manner and a hater.
While i deal with factual shyt

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

You do realize blaze magazine was a subsidiary of vibe trying to steal a cultural draw and space in pr. Plus you said rap and we talking about hiphop actual fukk'n culture not misappropiated buzzword bullshyt centered around the word rap as a pop connotation.


You exposing more of what anyone knows you not the more you keep talking.

Also ...i hope you try to dispute because I know etf I am talembout because I had to call and fact check the vibe/blaze office for posting juice's home phone number in the online article. Which was much much later.

Art Barr

None of this dispels anything i said.
I dont give a fukk about your telephoned war stories with juice and the magazine office.
Botton line ,them nikkas was hating and the general public made them bow to tupac like they should have done on their own.

 

[Art Barr]

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1. We loved krayzie and Bizzy,however neither of them name was ringing bells individually like 2pac's was. You're just pulling shyt out your ass to hate and downplay pac & snoop.

2pac had memorable features
Solo classic songs
Big hits on HIS album
Classic soundtrack appearances on poetic justice soundtrack and above the rim
More classic songs on the thuglife album all by the end of 1994

Snoop had classic appearances on deep cover
all throughout THE CHRONIC and his own album doggystyle
plus additional classics on
Above the rim soundtrack and The murder was the case soundtrack

Creepin on ah come up alone did not place bizzy or krayzie above snoop or pac.

2.nikkas love claiming THE STYLES ERA ended,even though nikkas with dope styles kept running hiphop and Nas never ran ANY year in hiphop,even at his peak.

3.In this thread you're saying Bizzy was the most popular on the planet in 1994,but i have receipts of you talking entirely different in another thread. I guess you switch things around depending on where you're directing your hate. #FAKEassnikkaS




Keep frontin
The problem with you is you're emotional,opinionated in a bias manner and a hater.
While i deal with factual shyt

Bwahahahaha.

We know you will try to deflect away from what I said.

Yet the fact you skimmed ky post with some bullshyt number by it like you an executive admin making document and not adding shyt in content is not indicative of you reading and comprehending what was wrote. As it obvious you live a prison industrial economy based lie because you do not even have you time line accurate at all. Plus you brought io blaze magazine and blaze magazine was much later and after the Pac interview from vibe. When vibe was a rnb high model ad agency publication and trying to be juxtaposed from rap. Till they used the pac interview to further the prison industrial economy in their Quincy Jones silent war against hiphop as well.
Which lead to later on blaze being released to try to hedge the draw of vibe in rap.content and push vibe back to its original juxtaposed from rap rnb high end ad based publication based scope and theme.

How I know you were not cognitive back then is also..
nikkaz were trying to be only three nikkaz back then before pac's sensationalism.

Those three nighaz they were trying to be and were marketed in the change of radio in April 1993.

Which was dalvin, devante and bizzy bone.
Nobody was trying to be Pac in this wrinkle of time.
till he was caught up in his orchestrated sensationalism much later in 1995. From thuggish ruggish bone to first of the month bone was significantly the higher drawing and influential. Pac had to launch a poorly received thug life album. While bone were the biggest group in the world off of a large drawing slow burn ep. That had drew for four years from late 91, to their eventual LP was released in 1995.

Of which they were the group credited with what the hood was completely on as far as tone image and feel. Nobody had Pac influenced anything in that time.
Bone is the original thug hood draw as far as gangsta rap fans. They while try to change and amalgamate it into what pac was talembout was much later and way after bone already set their precedent.

Once again, proving you do not know wtf you talembout. As a matter of fact if not for the slow burn nature of the singles of thuggish ruggish and deep cover. Then both being used to market the prison industrial economy in the change of radio in April of 1993 as well.


Like I said,...stfu cause you do.not know wtf you talembout. You were never cognitively aware about actual hiphop culture. You were a gateway rap fan of gangsta rap from MTV and the their pop connection to the prison industrial economy.

You were never and still not a part of hiphop. You know nuffin about the culture of hiphop from an actual cultural context. You only know the word hiphop because the prison industrial economy tried to misappropriate it.
Simple as that.

You one of them lead astray ass nikkas.
One of the prison industrial economy duped face ass nikkaz.


The shyt laughably funny as fukk.
The lot of nikkaz affected by that shyt and living a lie is the issue.
You affected by that shyt and talking nuffin but prison industrial based misappropriation and you not even in the time line we are discussing.

Not to mention you keep talking about Pac in 93 and 94. When his profile was nowhere near bone's draw and profile at all. He was also in 1994, a complete two drawing tiers below bone and snoop and a drawing tier equal to the about to fall completely off and sellout ice cube as well. Ice cube being whom Pac is completely based upon.
Yet let you tell it.
Jn 1994, Pac fans were white MTV gangsta rap fans and his biggest fan base. He did not become this hood staple. till his sensationalism after the jay walking incident and the ATL offduty incidents.
Way way way after the fact. This was also after two movies as well.
You just a non-timeline knowing gangsta rap fan who know nuffin about any of this shyt culturally. You existed in that ghetto erected bubble nikkas made back then to give then excuses for being on bullshyt and your type was completely ostracized. To try and make it like this thug life ideal of Pac was actually even attributed to his draw is a lie for this time period as well. As thug anything was all bone from creep'n till first of the month. Then during pac's sensationalism and negligence leading to him being in trouble is when his thug prison economy gon awry culture based disconnect issues coupled with his Mecca envy based draw began.
The time period you talembout was not even in existence.

Like nikka how old are you?

As it is obvious you were not cognitive about hiphop actual culture at this exact time.


Art Barr

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Bwahahahaha.


1.nikkaz were trying to be only three nikkaz back then before pac's sensationalism.

Those three nighaz they were trying to be and were marketed in the change of radio in April 1993.

Which was dalvin, devante and bizzy bone.
Nobody was trying to be Pac till he was caught up in his orchestrated sensationalism much later in 1995. 2 From thuggish ruggish bone to first of the month bone was significantly the higher drawing and influential. 3.Pac had to launch a poorly received thug life album. 4.While bone were the biggest group in the world off of a large drawing slow burn ep.

Once again, proving you do.not know wtf you talembout. As a matter of fact if not for the slow burn nature the singles of thuggish ruggish and deep cover. Then both being used to market the prison industrial economy in the change of radio in April of 1993 as well.


Like I said,...stfu cause you do.not know wtf you talemboit. You were never cognitively aware about actual hiphop culture. You were a gateway rap fan of gangsta rap from MTV and the their pop connection to the prison industrial economy.

You were never and still not a part of hiphop. You know nuffin about the culture of hiphop from an actual cultural context. You only know the word hiphop because the prison industrial economy tried to misappropriate it.
Simple as that.

You one of them lead astray ass nikkas.
One of the prison industrial economy duped face ass nikkaz.


The shyt laughably funny as fukk.
The lot of nikkaz affected by that shyt and living a lie is the issue.



Art Barr

1.In what way were people trying to be like Bizzy bone in 1994?

2.Why are we mentioning FIRST OF THE MONTH,when it came out in summer of 1995 and this is a conversation about 1994? Wtf are you talking about

3.2pac was in and out of trouble and only appeared in 1 of the three videos shot for thuglife. Videos that i never saw until after he died. Meaning it wasnt really promoted. Despite that,it possessed classic songs like
str8 ballin
Pour out a lil liquor
bury me a g
How long will they mourn me etc

4. Bone was the biggest group but none of the members were individually bigger than pac then or at any point in their careers.

(i like how you ignored the fact that you previously claimed)
"Art Barr said: ↵
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Bone was not individualized as a collective or given props skillwise.
till 1995 from the change of rap being marketed culturally to a pop sentiment wholeheartedly.

Art Barr
http://www.thecoli.com/goto/post?id=20981963#post-20981963 "

But yet you're still in this thread telling a different story.
#bytchnikkashyt

I also like how you slid the snoop bone comparison right out your argument because the fact that you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off is even more clear in that comparison than the Krayzie/bizzy vs pac comparison.
I see you sucka nikka

 

[Art Barr]

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I'd put
2pacalypse now
Strictly
and Thuglife
against naughty or what redman had done by the end of 94'.
Pac all day

You would easily lose because in October of that rrlease year fro the chronic, cibad and red's debut all released on the same day.
The day the chronic dropped Redman dropped a better received and a much higher in emcee and lyrical skill cultural based release.

, Redman was arguably the best debut emcee skillwise in late 1992 and had a way better album and single output than Pac in that time frame. Not to mention, Redman could be given the nod as argueably with common for that era being the top styles war era skilled newcomers as versatile cultural based emcees. As they got even better in the change of the technical revolution ushered in by nas.
The only reason I did not mention red was because this said 1994.

Which is why in opening I said it would be a better discussion given the time to ask this about 1993. In 1994, the sonic landscape and actual technical rubrick changed from the styles war era to the technical era.
Plus like I said earlier the goats were either in what would become a lull or in krs's case would become a change from group name to solo artist relaunch that ushered and started the actual sonic landscape change that gave way to illmatic completing the sonic landscape and technical skill change as well.

So things were changing in a dynamic that would show over the course of the year and the year that followed before the next change in the sonic landscape in 1995.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

1.In what way were people trying to be like Bizzy bone in 1994?

2.Why are we mentioning FIRST OF THE MONTH,when it came out in summer of 1995 and this is a conversation about 1994? Wtf are you talking about

3.2pac was in and out of trouble and only appeared in 1 of the three videos shot for thuglife. Videos that i never saw until after he died. Meaning it wasnt really promoted. Despite that,it possessed classic songs like
str8 ballin
Pour out a lil liquor
bury me a g
How long will they mourn me etc

4. Bone was the biggest group but none of the members were individually bigger than pac then or at any point in their careers.

(i like how you ignored the fact that you previously claimed)
"Art Barr said: ↵
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Bone was not individualized as a collective or given props skillwise.
till 1995 from the change of rap being marketed culturally to a pop sentiment wholeheartedly.

Art Barr
http://www.thecoli.com/goto/post?id=20981963#post-20981963 "

But yet you're still in this thread telling a different story.
#bytchnikkashyt

I also like how you slid the snoop bone comparison right out your argument because the fact that you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off is even more clear in that comparison than the Krayzie/bizzy vs pac comparison.
I see you sucka nikka

nikka stfu,...cause it is obvious you were not around then.
Plus it is obvious you are not keenly aware because you skim in reading and you skimming in reading is indicative of you skimming and only knowing half truths in this as well.
Like I said nikkaz who were common like you with no cultural based anything were a slave to the whole sound wave of bizzy, dalvin and devante period. To try to deny it in the era means you were not old enough or cognitive to know at all.
Plus you acting like pac was ever bigger than bone in this era is a lie. As bone hit the track running in one of the best long burn run for an ep and eclisped the ep draw of the movie money MTV marketed digital underground ep and video that Pac debuted on rather easily. Just to easily point out you being wrong. As bone creep'n for its time and all time is arguably the longest in its original sales envelope and highest drawing debut rap ep in all of rap history. Just you trying to campaign for Pac and all this bullshyt shows you do not know wtf you talembout. All your bulleted points show you were not cognitive culturally then at all.
Any and everyone in this thread had clowned you. Yet you keep trying to respond to me like just responding to me is aiding you. You not getting nowhere.
There are no facts in your favor to help you in this at all.
Plus you keep bringing up snoop but bone's group dynamic and subsequently would be bigger in this exact time period of 1994, while its fan base awaited e.1999 was at a fever pitch like no other ever in gsngsta rap for a group, ever. Just you trying to deny bone was bone shows you a Johnny come lately and a Pac prison industrial economy effected revisionist loser guy. As originally thug shyt was attributed to bone, exclusively alone period. Pac regardless of when he penned or created his thug life moniker or group. Is eclisped by the larger bone draw in that era. Which closely resembles the pop ideal for the day to shed the lower dRaw in Pac for the higher drawing viacomm marketed and radio bds marketed bone in April 1993. That when snoop was still slow burn drawing on the radio in the change of format for radio in April 1993. Bone was larger with thuggish ruggish bone. As bone was ruthless and directly connected to the direct marketing genesis of the prison industrial economy at that time as easy was still alive to debut bone on creep'n. Plus interscope left WB and was indie and then tethered to the prison industrial economy and had to ramp. While bone was already in the genesis pipeline from their debut with no pr issues like wb/interscope/death row.

You can not even tell me how you even got to hear gangsta rap like I can because I know FACTUALLY WHAT WAS CHANGING THEN RATHER WELL AND WAY MORE THAN YOU.
Once again I have to show you are completely offkey and have disconnect to this time.
You completely whom the prison industry economy preyed on and you trying to make all your erroneous off key off brand points about hip hop.culture easily show and illustrate that. Plus we know you do not know any of this information because you been here years and nobody is ever asking you a cot damn thing about hip hop culture personally ever.

Also,..
You are a gsngsta rap fan.
You care nuffin about hip hop past what gangsta rap can misappropiate to draw in a pop commercial context.
So why do you give a fukk about a gangsta rapper's ranking.

Seems you are the one over extending yourself and being extra emo.

As I ain't never seen no gangsta nikka give a shyt about hiohop actual culture or any of these discussions.

Yet here you are. From all your bullshyt it seems like you a prison industrial economy marketing victim and mad emo.


Art Barr

 

[3rdWorld]

What is this bible study, I couldn't read all that..

Anyway, didnt Pac get shot in 94 or something?
But besides that, he was just a rapper back then but was not considered top anything just like all the other rappers. He had I get around and brendas got a baby, good tracks but not anything that would get you mentioned in the same sentence as a Rakim, Ice Cube or Krs 1.
Pac didnt suddenly get better as a rapper, he remained the same but instead courted controversy and got noticed for that.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

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You would easily lose because in October of that rrlease year fro the chronic, cibad and red's debut all released on the same day.
1.The day the chronic dropped Redman dropped a better received and a much higher in emcee and lyrical skill cultural based release.

,2 Redman was arguably the best debut emcee skillwise in late 1992 and had a way better album and single output than Pac in that time frame. 3 Not to mention, Redman could be given the nod as argueably with common for that era being the top styles war era skilled newcomers as versatile cultural based emcees. As they got even better in the change of the technical revolution ushered in by nas.
The only reason I did not mention red was because this said 1994.

Which is why in opening I said it would be a better discussion given the time to ask this about 1993. In 1994, the sonic landscape and actual technical rubrick changed from the styles war era to the technical era.
Plus like I said earlier the goats were either in what would become a lull or in krs's case would become a change from group name to solo artist relaunch that ushered and started the actual sonic landscape change that gave way to4. illmatic completing the sonic landscape and technical skill change as well.

So things were changing in a dynamic that would show over the course of the year and the year that followed before the next change in the sonic landscape in 1995.


Art Barr

1.Once again you keep acting as is if your opinion is a fact.
No matter how strongly you feel this way,it's just your opinion.

2.Even if his first album was ahead of pac's (success wise)
before 1994 was over.
Pac had dropped
S4MN (1993)
And thuglife

All he dropped after the first album was Dare iz a darkside,whoop dee fukking do.

That's supposed to match,thuglife and S4MN,lmao
Aight


3. Both them nikkas aint shyt. They stayed c-level talent even 20+ years,they'd love to have pac's legacy.
2pac's catalog shyts on both of theirs combined.

4. What exactly did Illlmatic change?

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

nikka stfu,...cause it is obvious you were not around then.
Plus it is obvious you are not keenly aware because you skim in reading and you skimming in reading is indicative of you skimming and only knowing half truths in this as well.
Like I said nikkaz who were common like you with no cultural based anything were a slave to the whole sound wave of bizzy, dalvin and devante period. To try to deny it in the era means you were not old enough or cognitive to know at all.
1.Plus you acting like pac was ever bigger than bone in this era is a lie. As bone hit the track running in one of the best long burn run for an ep and eclisped the ep draw of the movie money MTV marketed digital underground ep and video that Pac debuted on rather easily. Just to easily point out you being wrong. As bone creep'n for its time and all time is arguably the longest in its original sales envelope and highest drawing debut rap ep in all of rap history. Just you trying to campaign for Pac and all this bullshyt shows you do not know wtf you talembout. All your bulleted points show you were not cognitive culturally then at all.
Any and everyone in this thread had clowned you. Yet you keep trying to respond to me like just responding to me is aiding you. You not getting nowhere.
There are no facts in your favor to help you in this at all.
2Plus you keep bringing up snoop but bone's group dynamic and subsequently would be bigger in this exact time period of 1994, while its fan base awaited e.1999 was at a fever pitch like no other ever in gsngsta rap for a group, ever. 3Just you trying to deny bone was bone shows you a Johnny come lately and a Pac prison industrial economy effected revisionist loser guy. As originally thug shyt was attributed to bone, exclusively alone period. Pac regardless of when he penned or created his thug life moniker or group. Is eclisped by the larger bone draw in that era. Which closely resembles the pop ideal for the day to shed the lower dRaw in Pac for the higher drawing viacomm marketed and radio bds marketed bone in April 1993. That when snoop was still slow burn drawing on the radio in the change of format for radio in April 1993. Bone was larger with thuggish ruggish bone. As bone was ruthless and directly connected to the direct marketing genesis of the prison industrial economy at that time as easy was still alive to debut bone on creep'n. Plus interscope left WB and was indie and then tethered to the prison industrial economy and had to ramp. While bone was already in the genesis pipeline from their debut with no pr issues like wb/interscope/death row.

You can not even tell me how you even got to hear gangsta rap like I can because I know FACTUALLY WHAT WAS CHANGING THEN RATHER WELL AND WAY MORE THAN YOU.
Once again I have to show you are completely offkey and have disconnect to this time.
You completely whom the prison industry economy preyed on and you trying to make all your erroneous off key off brand points about hip hop.culture easily show and illustrate that. Plus we know you do not know any of this information because you been here years and nobody is ever asking you a cot damn thing about hip hop culture personally ever.

Also,..
You are a gsngsta rap fan.
You care nuffin about hip hop past what gangsta rap can misappropiate to draw in a pop commercial context.
So why do you give a fukk about a gangsta rapper's ranking.

Seems you are the one over extending yourself and being extra emo.

As I ain't never seen no gangsta nikka give a shyt about hiohop actual culture or any of these discussions.

Yet here you are. From all your bullshyt it seems like you a prison industrial economy marketing victim and mad emo.


Art Barr

1. Lying wont save you. I said none of the individual bone members were ever bigger than 2pac (or snoop) Which is true. If i said pac was bigger than Bone (the group) link it plese.

2.According to the Riaa website,Snoop went 4x's plat in half a year. Bone went 2x's plat in a half a year. Then took an entire year AFTER that,to join snoop at 4 mil. so.......

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

What is this bible study, I couldn't read all that..

Anyway, didnt Pac get shot in 94 or something?
But besides that, he was just a rapper back then but was not considered top anything just like all the other rappers. He had I get around and brendas got a baby, good tracks but not anything that would get you mentioned in the same sentence as a Rakim, Ice Cube or Krs 1.
Pac didnt suddenly get better as a rapper, he remained the same but instead courted controversy and got noticed for that.

Rakim was washed by 94'