What year did black ppl collectively bush Eminem and his music?

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Nowadays Em is the poster boy for "miracle, lyrical" rap. When did that change?

I was talking to my 16 year old nephew today and he couldn't believe that there was a time that black people rocked with Eminem. I took him on a history lesson but couldn't remember when everyone gave Eminem the :camby:

This freestyle was probably my last great memory of Em where I heard some of his music and went :banderas:



This was around 2004 I think?
 

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Cmon man, no disrespect, but this shyt is blatant as hell. I’ve never been the biggest Em fan, but u can’t deny his skill, cause at the end of the day that’s all that really matters, fukk all the extra curricular shyt. even your favourite MC’s favourite MC, has given him his props over the years. But trying to push the agenda that the hood NEVER rocked with him I mean , c’mon
 

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Cmon man, no disrespect, but this shyt is blatant as hell. I’ve never been the biggest Em fan, but u can’t deny his skill, cause at the end of the day that’s all that really matters, fukk all the extra curricular shyt. even your favourite MC’s favourite MC, has given him his props over the years. But trying to push the agenda that the hood NEVER rocked with him I mean , c’mon

good music matters too.

you can have the skill in the world but if you can't even make good music, what use is it? remember all those shytty underground emcees of the 2000's who were overly technical but made shytty music? Probably not because the music was so shytty
 
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honestly i feel like when revival dropped, black people turned on him. He been shaky after the eminem show but black people still rocked with him. He's a legend how could you not? nikkas just corny with the black people don't rock with em sht. They the same nikkas that sht on black women all the time, pretend to be woke, and listen to nikkas who only have white fans
 

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Recovery is when it began...that's when the full top 40 sound began. Encore was bad but it was his first real miss and some cats still cared for it(I didn't). The racist tapes happened around this time too(2004 or so I believe) so he lost some but not all. Recovery is when I was over it, MMLP 2 was the nail in the coffin, and I could care less about him in any capacity after that.
 
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Its funny.

Now that your older. When you look back at Eminem. He was just the first of a proven music industry formula they have been doing over the years.

Get a white boy and put him next to a respectable name in the culture and watch the dollars roll in.

Em & Dre,
Beiber & Usher.
Jimmy Iovine tried to repeat the formula again with MGK and Puff.
G-Eazy when he was doing all those collabs with people in the culture.
Jack Harlow & DJ DRAMA.
Post Malone when he was doing collabs with 21 Savage and em.
Kid Laroi & Lil Bibby.
Drake & Wayne :mjpls:.


The thing about Em was in the beginning he was actually nice and different so we aint really see it for what it was. When he started falling off musically it became more apparent than ever and the culture moved on.
 

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he started falling of top 5 lists 10 years ago. when you saw rappers he directly inspired like Earl or Tyler publicly shytting on him for the turn his music took. when he started to become a meme. When after years of baiting pop acts to beef he starts putting out pop music with skyler grey. when he rapped with accents. there's been a ton of fall off moments.

what did he do. Instead of taking valid criticism he gets sensitive and raps about not being appreciated or tries to crown himself a rap god. dude has the most fragile ego of all time. take for example his latest transformation.. the NEED to shine above the song he is featured on. No he can't just follow regular bar structure or use the same beat he has to put his presence above the song add in a beat flip to highlight his presence instead of making the best song he wants to make the best Em verse. Egotistical muthafuka it's all in the DNA of his actions.

the sway interview he did some years ago with all the doctored questions was a direct response to the public shift in his perception.
 

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It's a specific generation of herb nikkas who have bought into the shallowest, flattest version of blackness, a sort of black essentialism. They're so deep in a capitalistic framework they believe their radical politics are expressed via whether they prefer every single black rapper to any single white rapper, and always argue every black MVP candidate is better than any white one. They invest all their faux-militant energy into inconsequential decision and opinions regarding commercial art and entertainment. In internet parlance, they're dorky try-hards.

And I say that as someone who always respected Em's prodigious talent for rapping, but had absolutely no use for a single album he made, and think every album after the Eminem Show isn't just not good, but laughably terrible. But the shift has been extreme: we went from popular black rappers openly saying Em was the GOAT (which I found to be an embarrassing thing) to black rap fans acting like Em was Vanilla Ice (equally stupid). Herd mentality shyt. But the shift hasn't only been about downgrading CACs, it has also been about devaluing black art in service to an impotent politics. In the name of "black excellence" people now prop up every lame half-wack nikka ever as an icon, as if doing so is an act of radical defiance of white orthodoxy. Common transformed into an utterly soulless, neutered Black Hallmark card rapper and somehow is held up as an example of excellence and activism. Kanye is a swaggerless diva with blue contacts and a retard haircut in longshoreman boots, such a doofus that he's the first black man to chase a Kardashian toward a white penis, making megachurch christian albums, putting Kenny G on tracks - like the very antithesis of anything black, cool, and subversive - and these nikkas will twist themselves into mental knots celebrating this bozo. Specifically because he made a shyt ton of money, and that has come to be a substitute for actual excellence and collective uplift. The value of art and politics have ironically been reduced to very conservative parameters, and tribalism rules.
 
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can't play Em at black gatherings (parties, cookout, club, reunion)

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followed by trash music starting with Encore, then he became ultra focused on technique > listenable music.

he was on his way to being cemented in top5 had he switched it up and gave what culture requires. Somebody said it best when they said he's stuck in a bubble and no one gives him honest feedback..

how can they when he's the #1 selling artist in the digital Era
 

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Personally for me it was around the time I heard "My Band". I liked some freestyles since then and he showed his skill on Relapse but I couldn't really call myself a fan after that. That was one goofy single too many...
 

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I stopped listening to him after Encore and I liked that album. He didn't release an album again until 2009 and by that time I was off his music. I was listening to Gucci, Jeezy, Wayne, the multitude of ATL nikkas... shyt like that.
 

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Em was in my top 5 up until Just Lose It/Encore...its been super downhill from there

those first 3 albums are personal classics

i listen to everything he drop just because....and like clockwork, im impressed with some of the flows he comes up with but I never ever revisit because the songs dont stick or are just straight up unlistenable
 

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It's a specific generation of herb nikkas who have bought into the shallowest, flattest version of blackness, a sort of black essentialism. They're so deep in a capitalistic framework they believe their radical politics are expressed via whether they prefer every single black rapper to any single white rapper, and always argue every black MVP candidate is better than any white one. They invest all their faux-militant energy into inconsequential decision and opinions regarding commercial art and entertainment. In internet parlance, they're dorky try-hards.

And I say that as someone who always respected Em's prodigious talent for rapping, but had absolutely no use for a single album he made, and think every album after the Eminem Show isn't just not good, but laughably terrible. But the shift has been extreme: we went from popular black rappers openly saying Em was the GOAT (which I found to be an embarrassing thing) to black rap fans acting like Em was Vanilla Ice (equally stupid). Herd mentality shyt. But the shift hasn't only been about downgrading CACs, it has also been about devaluing black art in service to an impotent politics. In the name of "black excellence" people now prop up every lame half-wack nikka ever as an icon, as if doing so is an act of radical defiance of white orthodoxy. Common transformed into an utterly soulless, neutered Black Hallmark card rapper and somehow is held up as an example of excellence and activism. Kanye is a swaggerless diva with blue contacts and a retard haircut in longshoreman boots, such a doofus that he's the first black man to chase a Kardashian toward a white penis, making megachurch christian albums, putting Kenny G on tracks - like the very antithesis of anything black, cool, and subversive - and these nikkas will twist themselves into mental knots celebrating this bozo. Specifically because he made a shyt ton of money, and that has come to be a substitute for actual excellence and collective uplift. The value of art and politics have ironically been reduced to very conservative parameters, and tribalism rules.

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