what's up with everyone's sick obsession with split brands?

[MenacingMonk]

When everyone is healthy they need to do it ASAP.

Divas and tag titles should be defended on BOTH brands. Give Raw the IC title and SD the US. Bring back the OG HW title.

 

[Vinny Lupton]

When everyone is healthy they need to do it ASAP.

Divas and tag titles should be defended on BOTH brands. Give Raw the IC title and SD the US. Bring back the OG HW title.

Spinoff, but they need way more tag teams than they have now

 

[RammerJammer]

I don't know why people are so against it. If they strictly enforce it like they did from 2002-2005 then it could work (except the single brand PPVs )

 

[Pinyapplesuckas]

I'm not big on the idea myself and never was, but the roster is extra deep and it sucks to see certain people always in the midcard stuck...

and now its kinda butt to see people stuck in NXT just for the fukk of it.

 

[Vinny Lupton]

I'm not big on the idea myself and never was, but the roster is extra deep and it sucks to see certain people always in the midcard stuck...

and now its kinda butt to see people stuck in NXT just for the fukk of it.

WWE should just re-start the territories. Sheamus should only be viewable in Minnesota

 

[Pinyapplesuckas]

WWE should just re-start the territories. Sheamus should only be viewable in Minnesota

man can you imagine that shyt lol Sheamus the great white hope of all the middle america regions....then having Mark Henry come in and KILL him in front of all of those racist fukks. It would be legendary lol

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

The brand split works when there's an abundance of talent like it is now, but honestly all they really have to do is make smackdown relevant.

Provide something different on smackdown. Less promos more wrestling. On raw it's way too many advertising so maybe Smackdown could be a more wrestling based show.

As far as nxt goes I don't view it the same as raw and smackdown because it's a development brand that their tryna make into their own indy promotion.

 

[Rayzah]

They already have that. Up until Cena's injury, it was the "Reigns tour" (Roman defending the title on top) and the "Cena tour" (Cena against Del Rio). Now, Reigns and his belt headline the A-tour and Dean and his belt headline the B-tour. In the 80s the IC Title would headline a tour and the World title would headline a tour. It would actually elevate and protect either the US or IC belt, if it had to headline a touring group and a tv show.


This is the key. It almost has to be two competing groups. We all know competition is what makes wrestling good. Two separate writing and booking teams. They would compete for house show draws, ratings, Vince's love, fan reactions, etc. Since there is no competition now, the natural and smart thing to do is play it safe, which is what we have. They have a few good ideas but the problem is theyre being smart and stretching out the angles over too much time which leads to repetition and boring ass shyt.

NXT is good because it's its own thing with its own bookers. And there's probably groups in the WWE higher ups that want it to fail and Trips' crew who wants it to succeed, which makes Trips and co work hard to make it good. Raw needs an enemy to be good. When WCW was a nonfactor, Raw sucked balls. Jobber matches, taped episodes, etc. When the nWo came out they had to actually try, and we got the glory days

edit of course, this won't happen because USA wouldnt let it happen even if WWE wanted them to. USA is very reliant on WWE to keep their ratings averages up. So if something or someone was hot on SD, they would make them put it on RAW anyway

the only answer is

Spoiler

Save_us.BillionaireTed

Is this the real problem? this is a classic example of people that don't know what they are doing making decisions they should be able to make.. It sounds like what happened to WCW, you cant succeed if the higher ups don't move out the way and not put unnecessary pressure on you

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

Only time I like the brand split was when paul-e was running sd
Other than that I hated it is liked story lines rolling over from raw to SD and sometimes heat or heat story lines exploding on raw or sd stories exploding on raw

 

[Vinny Lupton]

Is this the real problem? this is a classic example of people that don't know what they are doing making decisions they should be able to make.. It sounds like what happened to WCW, you cant succeed if the higher ups don't move out the way and not put unnecessary pressure on you

They wanted those hundreds of millions of dollars, and no other station was gonna give them close to what USA was offering. Quite the conundrum. If their product could get hot and good, they could have leverage to do what they want and maybe leave USA, but they cant make good TV to get hot because they wanted that 3-hr money and have to make their show wack for USA. Supposedly USA are the ones who looove the Authority shyt and thats why they kept it for this long.

 

[Rayzah]

They wanted those hundreds of millions of dollars, and no other station was gonna give them close to what USA was offering. Quite the conundrum. If their product could get hot and good, they could have leverage to do what they want and maybe leave USA, but they cant make good TV to get hot because they wanted that 3-hr money and have to make their show wack for USA. Supposedly USA are the ones who looove the Authority shyt and thats why they kept it for this long.

they are also the ones who basically forced them to go 3 hrs.. my boy who have watched all of his life said right after the initial 3 hr show ( which was amazing) he was like fukk this im done, you cant have a show be good for 3 hours, it wont ever work.. and he came back in periodically and after a few months he is like yea this is too much filler and he also doesn't like their choices ffor the top guy.. So like I said in another thread these execs are stupid and they fukk up their money because of it.. They do shyt with the intent of making money but try to be safe at the same time, and their is no way they should be able to say they like the authority angle so it needs to stay knowing damn well they don't watch weekly, but they cut the check so what can you do?

The TV business model needs a major revamp

 

[Vinny Lupton]

they are also the ones who basically forced them to go 3 hrs.. my boy who have watched all of his life said right after the initial 3 hr show ( which was amazing) he was like fukk this im done, you cant have a show be good for 3 hours, it wont ever work.. and he came back in periodically and after a few months he is like yea this is too much filler and he also doesn't like their choices ffor the top guy.. So like I said in another thread these execs are stupid and they fukk up their money because of it.. They do shyt with the intent of making money but try to be safe at the same time, and their is no way they should be able to say they like the authority angle so it needs to stay knowing damn well they don't watch weekly, but they cut the check so what can you do?

The TV business model needs a major revamp

Their only hope is that the ratings hit Austin levels around the time the contract is up, then they can either leverage for 2 hrs for the same money as 3 hrs, or stay with 3 hrs and go to a network that will let them do whatever they want. I dont think Roman is gonna lead them to the promise land tho

WWE got such a shytty deal that they didnt give all the details, but we have at least 3 years left:

May 2014 - "the 750 splash"

The new deal was disappointing enough that WWE would not even publicly release the numbers, only talking in vague terms which would indicate the new deal averaging in the range of $142.5 million per year over the course of the deal. They said the deal has escalators clauses, meaning it would start at a lower number than that, reach that number in the middle of the deal, and end at a higher number.

The new deal works out that WWE is getting 38 cents per Raw and Smackdown live viewer (this is going with the idea a DVR viewer is worthless, throwing in DVR viewers and that figure decreases by close to ten percent) per two to three hour show. The Major League Soccer deal was worth $6.77 per viewer per game.

The first hint we got that the deal wasn’t going to be good were after the soccer deal was announced when those who did know the deal were preparing for a bad week. We did get word at that time not to expect a huge television deal and as the week went on, the soccer deal became huge talk within the industry in the sense it was going to leave the company very embarrassed by week’s end.

WWE wouldn’t even answer the question as to the length of the new deal past that it was five years or less.

Basically WWE and its audience are so not-hot right now that Major League Soccer has almost 20x the value of wrestling

 

[DocZulu]

Fans at the TSC are desperate for the WWE to present fresh ideas.

Rather than face the reality that the WWE is committed to their style of booking and storytelling, they look for fixes that they can grasp.

That's why we get the incessant threads about the Monday Night Wars, or the PG Era, or some easily identifiable alteration. They can't grasp that the WWE's problems have to negotiate Vince McMahon's expectations against those of 21st century audiences.

We are in the middle of a locker-room transformation, too. Once Cena & Undertaker retire we will be looking at fatter, leaner, shorter and/or more athletic, multi-racial workrate wrestlers.

How do they book and tell stories about those kinds of guys when they still wish to push Roman Reigns as the face of the company.

In sum, a 3-hour Raw is difficult enough to write. But accomplishing all of this under McMahon's gaze is becoming increasingly problematic.

I absolutely hate the idea of a split brand. Figurely speaking we already have one with wwe and nxt. But people want it even more divided with raw and smack down. I hate it man. I like the idea of a stacked roster rather than a split brand. Let's be honest people just want their favorite wrestlers who are midcards right now to be main event and they could see that happening on smackdown. Which is true if the split brand happens but if u split the rosters are weaker than together.

In my opinion its honestly Better to keep the roster all together and stacked so when we have three hour raws we have something forward to look to the entire night. If they split we could look forward to AJ on raw but then we will have Kevin Owens replaced by silly usos segments and matches because Kevin Owens is on smack down main eventing because everyone wanted it.

 

[Rayzah]

Their only hope is that the ratings hit Austin levels around the time the contract is up, then they can either leverage for 2 hrs for the same money as 3 hrs, or stay with 3 hrs and go to a network that will let them do whatever they want. I dont think Roman is gonna lead them to the promise land tho

WWE got such a shytty deal that they didnt give all the details, but we have at least 3 years left:

May 2014 - "the 750 splash"

The new deal was disappointing enough that WWE would not even publicly release the numbers, only talking in vague terms which would indicate the new deal averaging in the range of $142.5 million per year over the course of the deal. They said the deal has escalators clauses, meaning it would start at a lower number than that, reach that number in the middle of the deal, and end at a higher number.

The new deal works out that WWE is getting 38 cents per Raw and Smackdown live viewer (this is going with the idea a DVR viewer is worthless, throwing in DVR viewers and that figure decreases by close to ten percent) per two to three hour show. The Major League Soccer deal was worth $6.77 per viewer per game.

The first hint we got that the deal wasn’t going to be good were after the soccer deal was announced when those who did know the deal were preparing for a bad week. We did get word at that time not to expect a huge television deal and as the week went on, the soccer deal became huge talk within the industry in the sense it was going to leave the company very embarrassed by week’s end.

WWE wouldn’t even answer the question as to the length of the new deal past that it was five years or less.

Basically WWE and its audience are so not-hot right now that Major League Soccer has almost 20x the value of wrestling

They shytted on dvr viewers when that's probably the only way 80% of their fans watch. Smh I can understand not wanting to switch channels again but USA clearly is showing they only offered them a deal cause they have history, I think it's obvious they are over wwe at this point. Which is probably why Vince spent so much on the network. They need to put together a strong year of good tv and move over to the network, they should take a less than favorable deal that allows them to do what they want including reducing the show to 2 hrs and allowing the show to be in the network the next day

 

[Vinny Lupton]

They shytted on dvr viewers when that's probably the only way 80% of their fans watch. Smh I can understand not wanting to switch channels again but USA clearly is showing they only offered them a deal cause they have history, I think it's obvious they are over wwe at this point. Which is probably why Vince spent so much on the network. They need to put together a strong year of good tv and move over to the network, they should take a less than favorable deal that allows them to do what they want including reducing the show to 2 hrs and allowing the show to be in the network the next day

They didnt shyt on DVR viewers.. the industry shyts on DVR viewers, because they dont watch ads. WWE tried to position themselves in the same categroy as live sports and awards shows - i.e., "we are DVR-proof. people want to see what's happening LIVE so they can tweet about it, using the hashtag BrayVsTItus" and the advertisers said

USA wants them because even in the dump, Raw's ratings are still better than everything else they have. LIke I said (idea stolen from Dave), having WWE on their channel keeps USA's average rating up.

And WWE won't go somewhere else for less money. They gotta save face, and they need the money, and they need their stock to not go down to $10 aagain