What's your stance on using Ai to create music?

[Wildin]

It's a big no. I appreciate real talent, not this machine learning crap. If you feel like there isn't enough music for you to check, then you should try other genres because there is plenty of real music that you may find interesting. AI is garbage.

Can you blame someone from taking matters into their own hands though?

First of all, the process is simple and generally user friendly. Anyone can hit up one of the sites and choose a genre, male or female vocalist, and type in a subject and go or add a few more options to really customize and tune their own song or album.

If I want to hear a black man sing a song about love between a man and a woman but under the guise of two birds that meet at dawn and sing songs to each other before they fly away each day. I can make that with ease.

Anyone can make music they want to hear pretty much when they want to hear it. No more listening to the same stuff over and over, no more waiting for your fav artists to drop. No more hearing stuff you don't want to hear.

Also if you are someone like my boy, who plays a little bit of guitar but has a few of notebooks full of songs yet can't sing and really has no interest in singing or becoming an artist like that...he can use his lyrics and actually hear them played back to him over music.

You don't have to worry about your fav artist going off the rails or singing about shyt you don't want to hear.

And yeah, you could go down the rabbit hole...discover and explore other artists and genres. That can be a lot of work and requires active listening. I still dig in the crates and I have a laundry list of artists and songs I need to listen to, but that's a hobby that's research, that's work. A passive listener just wants to hear what they want.

 

[PS5 Pro]

I just doubt it's gonna make something I want to listen to

Intellectually speaking, you are correct. But to the non intellectual, you know how 6/7 is a thing?
Ai can do better, so the potential for Ai still exist. And as for being intellectually creative, I'm certain it will reach that point because Ai itself is intellectually creative in all other aspects. If you have a conversation with the more fluent Ai's like Gemini for instance. It uses more logic than the average Sony Stan

It's a big no. I appreciate real talent, not this machine learning crap. If you feel like there isn't enough music for you to check, then you should try other genres because there is plenty of real music that you may find interesting. AI is garbage.

The same way you're saying I can find music elsewhere, wouldn't that same logic apply to Ai music?
Now again because anyone who doesn't specify is speaking towards something that isn't the topic. And isn't really a thing like that.
The term Ai is a blanket statements,and people attach the meaning to what they want instead of what is.
AI music you think is Ai creating a song from scratch. That is possible, you can tell it in some programs to create a song about "insert topic" and it'll do its best. None of that which I heard had me going "We humans gotta step our shyt up" I think that when I listen to actual human shyt these days

What this topic is about ladies n gents is using Apps to generate music you create. I can play an instrument and feed it to the program and it'll clean up the track so to speak. Produce and master your shyt. You give it lyrics, you decide what kind of melodies, bridges/etc. I can use my voice, I can tell it "On the second verse use a female rapping" and that's what it'll do.

That's very different than just telling Ai to make a song which is what I feel most of your are responding to. Anyways, lets continue...

It can't do "live" versions of songs. I mean, I guess you could make a dozen different type of "live" versions.

There are many songs that were recorded live, that are so good they are added to albums. That's a moment that's caught. Hell there are iconic tv performances that are turned into singles and albums. AI can't do that.

I hear you and understand you totally, Anderson Pack & the Free Nationals NPR comes to mind
And before I played with Suno, I shared your stance completely. But during the creation process you get versions you throw away. But often each version has something in it that fits what you're describing. And then I was able to manipulate or just simpily have it try again. So here's the "LIVE" version.

Prince jumping in a track and adding guitar or bass. Eric clapton, John lennon, Keith richards and mitch mitchell on one track or a few songs.

That's magic, that's lightning in a bottle.












The thing is, most people use AI to make music for private consumption.

That's not gonna stop music labels from using AI and pushing AI artists, songs and music.

But people are sick of bullshyt and are making their own.

This version has SUPER THUMP from mid song to the end. Rearview will become blurry when bumping this bad boy

I got a dozen more versions as well or I could generate more at any time to emulate what you're describing
And while it does it automatically, you CAN dictate or add to what is created. The Ai is not limited, you can be the creator with Ai just following your orders to achieve your true vision. If you have the talent....

 

[Wildin]

The Ai is not limited, you can be the creator with Ai just following your orders to achieve your true vision. If you have the talent....

I'm not talking about doing a live version or an acoustic version, just for the sake of doing it. People tour and perform all the time, each time they perform a song isn't significant. But every once and again magic happens and a moment is caught.

That magic can't be fabricated. It could be the crowd and their reaction, it could be an artist coming out during a stop and performing with a band that they don't usually play with. It could be an artist doing a surprise cover. It could be an artist changing up their flow, or the tempo, or singing with emotion due to an event or a reaction.

Another thing is just that human feel. Lauryn Hill on cd is amazing, Lauryn Hill live and on point singing killing me softly is a completely different experience. And to hear her killing it during a sold out show at Madison square garden, or a private show in a coffee shop in soho or little bohemia is again, amazing, but completely different. Even if you don't see the performances on video but you hear the recordings, you close your eyes and wish or imagine you were there. You visualize her. You feel it in your chest.

 

[PS5 Pro]

I'm not talking about doing a live version or an acoustic version, just for the sake of doing it. People tour and perform all the time, each time they perform a song isn't significant. But every once and again magic happens and a moment is caught.

That magic can't be fabricated. It could be the crowd and their reaction, it could be an artist coming out during a stop and performing with a band that they don't usually play with. It could be an artist doing a surprise cover. It could be an artist changing up their flow, or the tempo, or singing with emotion due to an event or a reaction.

Another thing is just that human feel. Lauryn Hill on cd is amazing, Lauryn Hill live and on point singing killing me softly is a completely different experience. And to hear her killing it during a sold out show at Madison square garden, or a private show in a coffee shop in soho or little bohemia is again, amazing, but completely different. Even if you don't see the performances on video but you hear the recordings, you close your eyes and wish or imagine you were there. You visualize her. You feel it in your chest.

I get it, and I'm telling you all of that is possible. So all the different programs offer different abilities. I just downloaded an app, its free on all platforms. This one lets you keep the rights to whatever you create as long as you are a pro or higher member. You can spend the 10 for a month and something like 2000 song creation credits. And you keep the rights if you not an active Pro or higher sub.

Anyways, on the suno app under advanced settings is where you can tweak the type of results you trying to get. Once option there is called "Weird" and if you turn that up, I had shyt where it has people talking. Then it cuts in the middle of the song to a skit, the guy says something random then says lets go back to 2 a days, then it returns to the song with a slightly different beat Was kinda dope but then it went left and started blasting white noise But everything you are getting at, you're right that not all Ai will do that. I'm certain the best Ai on the market could. And lets say its not the case today. Will it reach that point in 10yrs, 5ys or by the spring? How far off do you think the tech is from duplicating that aspect?
I'm telling you it's doing that now. All the versions of the song I posted has elements of that. Because the original version sounds way different and only had one verse. I added the second verse, hit "Cover" and that's when it makes variations. It wont be long before its doing what you're talking about to the fullest extent

 

[PS5 Pro]

Here is some AI music my boy and me put together on the fly. He wrote all the lyrics, I chose I guess the sound/tone/style.

4 song ep

Its not a final draft I just uploaded some audio of the songs from my phone.

@PS5 Pro

I only did a short listen of the first song when you posted this. I just finished listening to it and...

First song, I don't particularly care for too much
Song 2, I didn't want to like it. I didn't. But you was trying to capture that Michael Jackson vibe and I couldn't help but dig it a lil bit
Song 3, I felt was cool as well. I still like Song 2 a lil better if we comparing
Song 4, the sound is very low and the only way I could hear it was to turn my speakers up almost all the way. Its too late to do that at the moment for me bruh so I can't really say what I feel about it.

What Genre would you say this falls into?

 

[Grand Conde]

AI creating art is the biggest load of bullshyt ever, along with using AI to do your schoolwork. It's the literal enshytifaction of society.

 

[Wildin]

I get it, and I'm telling you all of that is possible.

An AI song with crowd effect ain't the same as lauryn hill wooing the crowd with an amazing performance. Its not real.

I only did a short listen of the first song when you posted this. I just finished listening to it and...

First song, I don't particularly care for too much
Song 2, I didn't want to like it. I didn't. But you was trying to capture that Michael Jackson vibe and I couldn't help but dig it a lil bit
Song 3, I felt was cool as well. I still like Song 2 a lil better if we comparing
Song 4, the sound is very low and the only way I could hear it was to turn my speakers up almost all the way. Its too late to do that at the moment for me bruh so I can't really say what I feel about it.

What Genre would you say this falls into?

Like I said my boy has notebooks full of songs over 25 years worth. (He's 53 years old). He can't sing, never wanted to sing, never wanted to really do music. But writing is always something he's done and he can hear stuff in his head, but the little amount of guitar that he plays can't fulfill that.

We literally did those 4 songs in about an hour.

Here's an hq link and the site/app we used.

MusicTune AI

A new Flutter project.

song.musictune.app

Heres the other 2 songs in hq from the site/app

MusicTune AI

A new Flutter project.

song.musictune.app

MusicTune AI

A new Flutter project.

song.musictune.app

It really didn't take any effort. And as someone who has music production equipment and daws I can use the stems and change/make arrangements. But as someone who uses real instruments AI takes all the fun out of it. But I can see how someone like my boy did something real cool and we did it in minutes using lyrics he's had in a notebook for years if not decades.

Bus stop was the very first song we did. Took a couple of minutes and we were like . Then we did utopia, then love etc which is number 3. Then the last one called 21.

Like you said you can switch genres and styles and make the same song 50 times until you find a cut that's good.

He was doing them in rock, southern rock, led zeppelin/pink Floyd and shyt. (He's black too ). I had him do soul/r&b/neo soul for these cuts.

 

[Sccit]

NOT BAD


I DONT LIKE AI THO

 

[Wildin]

@ps5 that 2 a days song does have some bump. It doesn't sound bad to me. I don't know the state of commercial music anymore but this ain't bad, has good appeal.

When I think live performances or recorded sessions I think of


And here is live.

They are both great but the live version is so much more fire. You ain't even got a watch it you can just listen and hear that he's going off. And the crowd, they go crazy.

AI cant replicate that. This shyt makes your soul smile. And he's so talented. This is one man.

 

[Diunx]

Garbage and not the band.

 

[PS5 Pro]

I went to bed after my last post, woke up to YouTube telling me the high bass version has 230 views
The low base over 80. The original from 2 days ago that I posted here and on my profile only has 40 veiws
So I guess good looking out coli. Just because of the motivation behind the project, I think I'm going to do something unique here.
I got 4 songs at the moment and they all..... come from an authentic place. Well, outside of one that I made to be "commercial"
Basically I was like what can I make that Lebron would listen to. So I made an anthem that has to end up on a gatorade commerical. Or when a game goes to commercial break and they play a snippet of a song. I made a song that can't not be used in that situation.
I'm posting one a week, and whatever is made by 12/16 will be the album. So I should have 10 songs on the album assuming life doesn't come at me too fast.....

An AI song with crowd effect ain't the same as lauryn hill wooing the crowd with an amazing performance. Its not real.

Its not real but it can be simulated. We already simulate things that are harder to achieve than fake reactions to portions of a song
And the masses are using the dumber version of Ai, for the smarter versions you got to pay top dollar just to use. I get a free year with Google pixel but they want Gamepass numbers to use it monthly without promotions. And that Ai has advanced Logic, can code. I can ask it to make me an app and it'll do it. Not all Ai is the same, we don't even get access to what "is possible" yet..... its coming, its here... its a little bit of both.

Like I said my boy has notebooks full of songs over 25 years worth. (He's 53 years old). He can't sing, never wanted to sing, never wanted to really do music. But writing is always something he's done and he can hear stuff in his head, but the little amount of guitar that he plays can't fulfill that.

We literally did those 4 songs in about an hour.

Here's an hq link and the site/app we used.

MusicTune AI

A new Flutter project.

song.musictune.app

Heres the other 2 songs in hq from the site/app

MusicTune AI

A new Flutter project.

song.musictune.app

MusicTune AI

A new Flutter project.

song.musictune.app

Yeah, I just write because I enjoy it so I'm in a similar boat.

It really didn't take any effort. And as someone who has music production equipment and daws I can use the stems and change/make arrangements. But as someone who uses real instruments AI takes all the fun out of it. But I can see how someone like my boy did something real cool and we did it in minutes using lyrics he's had in a notebook for years if not decades.

Bus stop was the very first song we did. Took a couple of minutes and we were like . Then we did utopia, then love etc which is number 3. Then the last one called 21.

Like you said you can switch genres and styles and make the same song 50 times until you find a cut that's good.

He was doing them in rock, southern rock, led zeppelin/pink Floyd and shyt. (He's black too ). I had him do soul/r&b/neo soul for these cuts.

Oh my brotha... What if I told you the FUN can be restored. I call that fun good fun because I can then produce my own shyt with no talent playing instruments. But for the talented people in that department. The Ai only wants to assist, not replace. PEOPLE DO THE REPLACING. Peep this...

So you can insert yourself (pause) instead of using randomly generated content

NOT BAD


I DONT LIKE AI THO

Appreciate it

@ps5 that 2 a days song does have some bump. It doesn't sound bad to me. I don't know the state of commercial music anymore but this ain't bad, has good appeal.

When I think live performances or recorded sessions I think of


And here is live.

They are both great but the live version is so much more fire. You ain't even got a watch it you can just listen and hear that he's going off. And the crowd, they go crazy.

AI cant replicate that. This shyt makes your soul smile. And he's so talented. This is one man.

The universe brought this video I'm about to post. Because looking at the thumbnail of Stanley made me think of Michael Winslow
And when I typed in Mike Winslow, this came up. You mentioned Led Zep


I

 

[PS5 Pro]

@Wildin Also about the song bus stop. That's Ai generated but.... I like it because it sounds like something I'd hear in a live performance.
I could see myself in a bar that does that kind of thing, and I'd be like yeah, this is kinda cool.
Your song, gave that Live performance type of feel. Which contradicts what you believe isn't quite possible yet.

Sure its not exactly the same as what you are saying, but its not way off either is my point...

 

[SymbolicOne09]

@Wildin Also about the song bus stop. That's Ai generated but.... I like it because it sounds like something I'd hear in a live performance.
I could see myself in a bar that does that kind of thing, and I'd be like yeah, this is kinda cool.
Your song, gave that Live performance type of feel. Which contradicts what you believe isn't quite possible yet.

Sure its not exactly the same as what you are saying, but its not way off either is my point...

What daw or hardware were you using before you dabbled in Ai?

 

[MajesticLion]

Nope.

 

[Wildin]

What daw or hardware were you using before you dabbled in Ai?

I got an mpc 2000 in like 2005 then had the XL and I currently have an mpc 4000 and a Roland 2480.

I prefer hardware because I want to play instruments and make my own music, not be tied to a computer.

When I started I did midi keyboards and reason and stuff. I hated the feeling of coming home from school and work then sitting in front of the computer.

I didn't want to download sound packs and update software, and stuff.