When and why did lyricism stop advancing?
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dude sounds like he is struggling to speak
I just think there are a lack of singles/artists willing to take a risk.
Hip-hop runs its self, it shouldn't be corporations and algorithms dictating what is play on radio and when. If the south had the drive and freedom to push their own record labels (No Limit, CMR) and had some content and substance to their music besides ass-shaking, I think things nowadays would be 100% different.
A recent example is this song. It should have been all over the radio, pumping from car radios, on the block, etc...But people aren't going to listen to the likes of Nas and other artists who "wanna kick knowledge"
Also, our people are to blame too. Just because an image is being pushed to us, it doesn't mean we have to consume it. There are probably 99% of 100 black people who can name all the Jordan releases this year, but won't be able to drop knowledge on any political, race or current event because they have no vested interest in educating themselves
People are only enslaved when they let themselves to be.
Lyricism != boring, non club music
Music = entertainment.
I love that Nas song but I'm always going to prefer to hear Young thug stoner
Because it's more entertaining
Drake is lyrical but he's not advancing lyricism. He's a good MC, but he's nothing special lyrically in the grand scheme. He's just talented. I'm talking about MCs advancing lyricism to the next level. No mainstream rapper is doing that now and hasn't for well over a decade.
Long Live The Kane
Tyrant Titan
Didn't really mean being the star that jay became, more so the whole "if skills sold, lyrically I'd be talib kweli" mind state...I don't see pun doubling down on the super duper lyrical angle going into the early 2000s, after the success of still a playa I imagine him trying to recreate that type record and that type of success
intilectual recipricol
Killin fake hip hop
Well, no, Lupe been advanced lyricism...
In Hip Hop in general it never stopped advancing, EG: K-Rino. In the mainstream, not sure, was Canibus mainstream? Nas, Pac, Biggie, Big Pun? Not sure what's classed as mainstream, but I guess it would be the 90's. 97-98. Maybe even Nas later on. But in the 80's arguably lyrically certain dudes were at their peak, and it's hard to say many if any ever surpassed Rakim and them on a lyrical level. I'd put Rakim, Kane, G Rap and dudes like that along with pretty much anyone. In Hip Hop in general I've seen advancements, but mainstream at the moment no-ones pushing lyrics forward really, maybe Jay Electronica or Chris Rivers will change that.
1) The popularity of punchlines. It replaced well-placed metaphors, imagery, and just overall great writing. Since the rise of the mixtape, connecting two thoughts with the word "like" became the standard for lyricism no matter how wack or elementary. It's one of the biggest reasons why Wayne became as acclaimed as he is.
2) A lot of artists that were coming out started to place more importance on the technique than execution. There's artists that were just crazy wordsmiths with
rhyme schemes and sick one liners, but couldn't write songs.
3) Production. In the 90's, the lyricists that blew up all had top notch production. These days, great production doesn't necessarily have the best rappers on the music.
2) A lot of artists that were coming out started to place more importance on the technique than execution. There's artists that were just crazy wordsmiths with
rhyme schemes and sick one liners, but couldn't write songs.3) Production. In the 90's, the lyricists that blew up all had top notch production. These days, great production doesn't necessarily have the best rappers on the music.
Abstract83
Superstar
Because 50 made ya more concerned with numbers and sales than actual talent.
Instead of embracing talent people/myself checked for the beef more (especially in NY) while the south had unity and started edging forward
Back Packer/Relevance Argument Just basically not giving props to artists that actually support the culture old or young that speaks on different topics besides the norm. Whether they have a album or mixtape. Just anyone that embraces the culture.
Cared more about what the chicks was dancin to to get a$$/ Let them dictate whose talented
Artists started dropping ringtone singles instead of crafting a good album plus had way too many features. At one point a lot of rap artists just put out watever.
Auto-tune
The Internet- By bootlegging and social media in general. Artists cared about twitter more than getting in the booth. We know waaay too much info about them. From the booth to the tracklist the ghost writers to who hit it the night before to how tough they actually are to how much money they have. Instead of going to a concert u have ur laptop. There's no more mystery with artists anymore.
Media Letting the men who actually run entertainment dictate whose hot thru radio, social media, and tv.
Independence We can start by backing those who are on the come up. Artists that actually have substance. Just to make it balanced. Wish we could have our own real network that pushes the culture forward. More radio stations that play old and new. Good and wack music too just to have a choice. Our rap version of 107.5 wbls. A better network than BET. Us having our own media. Allowing us to disregard the wack fukkery or just make fun of it. And push some more positive shyt.
Holding the artists we like to a higher standard if they put out subpar music no matter how big or small they are. Get rid of the trolls and fake arguments pushing bullshyt. Fukk their opinion lol. Get some competitiveness back into the rap game.
Everybody including Artists stop being pc and speak their minds. Stop saying yo that shyt garbage but u gotta respect his hustle he put his n1ggas on.
U gotta respect that man. lol Dont give these weak n1ggas a free pass.
Damn I said actualy a lot. Im actually on my 50 shyt.
Instead of embracing talent people/myself checked for the beef more (especially in NY) while the south had unity and started edging forward
Back Packer/Relevance Argument Just basically not giving props to artists that actually support the culture old or young that speaks on different topics besides the norm. Whether they have a album or mixtape. Just anyone that embraces the culture.
Cared more about what the chicks was dancin to to get a$$/ Let them dictate whose talented
Artists started dropping ringtone singles instead of crafting a good album plus had way too many features. At one point a lot of rap artists just put out watever.
Auto-tune
The Internet- By bootlegging and social media in general. Artists cared about twitter more than getting in the booth. We know waaay too much info about them. From the booth to the tracklist the ghost writers to who hit it the night before to how tough they actually are to how much money they have. Instead of going to a concert u have ur laptop. There's no more mystery with artists anymore.
Media Letting the men who actually run entertainment dictate whose hot thru radio, social media, and tv.
Independence We can start by backing those who are on the come up. Artists that actually have substance. Just to make it balanced. Wish we could have our own real network that pushes the culture forward. More radio stations that play old and new. Good and wack music too just to have a choice. Our rap version of 107.5 wbls. A better network than BET. Us having our own media. Allowing us to disregard the wack fukkery or just make fun of it. And push some more positive shyt.
Holding the artists we like to a higher standard if they put out subpar music no matter how big or small they are. Get rid of the trolls and fake arguments pushing bullshyt. Fukk their opinion lol. Get some competitiveness back into the rap game.
Everybody including Artists stop being pc and speak their minds. Stop saying yo that shyt garbage but u gotta respect his hustle he put his n1ggas on.
U gotta respect that man. lol Dont give these weak n1ggas a free pass.Damn I said actualy a lot. Im actually on my 50 shyt.
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we all know the answer to this
the south took over with catchy jingles and they all playin follow the leader...the rap game is 90% sheep
summer jam proves it
once outkast goodie mob scarface lost their spot it became open season
wayne's the only one still tryin i can think of but gotdamn i cant take anymore p*ssy eatin or fake blood talk
the south took over with catchy jingles and they all playin follow the leader...the rap game is 90% sheep
summer jam proves it
once outkast goodie mob scarface lost their spot it became open season
wayne's the only one still tryin i can think of but gotdamn i cant take anymore p*ssy eatin or fake blood talk
Sausageman
Banned
blame the south
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
backpackers made trying to find new ways to make lyricism innovative seem like trigonometry, and made it not fun for others to do it.