When did rappers go from dealers to users?

[bouncy]

That was at the end of the song. It was glamorizing it in parts.

Talking about drugs in Hip Hop songs has been around forever. The problem is a number of people were too young to realize what some of these rappers were talking about.

Of course it was "glamorizing" it in some parts, it is a song talking about cocaine. You have to talk about the attraction, in order to talk about what it leads to. I don't understand why you don't get this?.

Everyone was using cocaine back then if they had money or in a certain crowd, but after a while people started seeing the downfalls, so if you are making a song, you have to take someone on a journey. I knew this when I first heard it, I thought everyone knew this, but I guess I was wrong. I'm glad they put "don't do it" in the song because, if they didn't people would probably be saying it's condoning cocaine use, even though most of the song is talking about it's negatives.

What's wild is melle mel was using cocaine while making the song. He said "“The most ironic thing about doin ‘White Lines’ is, I was doin this anti-drug message, but was snortin the shyt as I was doin it. That was the most ironic thing about doin ‘White Lines.” – melle mel

WHy can't rappers do the same thing now?. Talk about both sides.

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

See thats the thing, you can count the examples on one hand back in 1998, now google how many molly songs in 2012-13 and you see my point

Nah breh, Coolio dropped that in 1994....on a platinum album.

Esham, Em, those ICP losers been doing acid rap years before this Molly This, Molly That shyt ever started.

cats been sampling Gil Scott Heron's "Angel Dust" for decades...

Thizz was around, a decade before the whole Molly trend in rap

DMX was rapping about the long term effects of him being coked up

The only point is that Molly is trendy at the moment... we'd be here for weeks if we chronicled all the rappers who are known users, and the songs they've made about it.

people are only cognitive of such recreational drug use of things other than weed, cause it's so blatant in the mainstream now.

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

it was never cool to do shyt like a vicodin that would get you looked at funny now its considered more or less like a status symbol. shyt is different. stop trying to be contrary all the time

Where am i trying to be contrary?

the only point i was making, is that the best selling rapper ever... had a vicodin pill on a CD that sold 4 Million records.

white america was abusing pills and it was "cool" a long time ago.....doing Xanax,Speed,Meth,Oxy,Extacy, Percs, Klonopins, Vicodin....was considered "White People shyt"

Depending on what part of the country you live in, black folks been poppin pills...this aint new.

Rappers been rapping about openly being drug addicts, and making songs about doing such drugs.

Vicodin is considered a status symbol now?

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

Vicodin is considered a status symbol now?

yes thats the whole point. its not that people were never doing more out of pocket drugs its that it wasnt looked at as cool the way it is now. it might be that there has always been people off xan, oxy etc but it wasnt of the status it is right now at this moment. thats not up for dispute.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

We've had this discussion before and I won't bother looking for it. The issue is that 'back in the day' we actually made fun of addicts. Rappers actually made records about NOT doing 'hard drugs' beyond weed and alcohol. Most of us remember 'White Lines' by Grandmaster Flash, but I was a teenager when stuff like this was being played at parties......



Pay attention to the lyrics.
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[Cole Cash]

Where am i trying to be contrary?

the only point i was making, is that the best selling rapper ever... had a vicodin pill on a CD that sold 4 Million records.

white america was abusing pills and it was "cool" a long time ago.....doing Xanax,Speed,Meth,Oxy,Extacy, Percs, Klonopins, Vicodin....was considered "White People shyt"

Depending on what part of the country you live in, black folks been poppin pills...this aint new.

Rappers been rapping about openly being drug addicts, and making songs about doing such drugs.

Vicodin is considered a status symbol now?

megatron you my nikka but sometimes it seems like you argue simply for the sake of it. while i dont look for people to sit around and agree with me, reading your posts feel more like a reach to be an opposing view as opposed to adding to the discussion meaningfully.

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

yes thats the whole point. its not that people were never doing more out of pocket drugs its that it wasnt looked at as cool the way it is now. it might be that there has always been people off xan, oxy etc but it wasnt of the status it is right now at this moment. thats not up for dispute.

Dog, Vicodin isn't a status symbol at all.... everybody an their momma who's been on workmans comp or had a grandparent who had a fukked up back,neck or knees have had that shyt.

nobody is exactly aspiring to be trailer trash or a geriatric


last time i checked, picking at your skin or constantly scratching yourself cause you're railing oxy isn't look at as cool.

There have been people doing those types of drugs for years now, it just wasn't a hip hop/black thing to do til these rappers started hanging out with more and more non-hood folks.


what's N X E T, Methadone is a status symbol too?

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

Uh, since White Lines came out in the 80s?

The 'don't do it' parts were added to make it radio friendly but the song is very much about using/others using.

Did you listen to the lyrics
It's not really glorifying it

Grandmaster Melle Mel - white lines - YouTube

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

megatron you my nikka but sometimes it seems like you argue simply for the sake of it. while i dont look for people to sit around and agree with me, reading your posts feel more like a reach to be an opposing view as opposed to adding to the discussion meaningfully.

nah, it's just that i see a lot of cats in here, acting like rappers weren't openly junkies... nor did they make songs about the drugs they used.

everybody has a problem with what rap is today, like things were vastly different... last week they complained that rappers were rapping about expensive shyt the normal person can't afford far too much... now it's everybody getting their "everybody is a junkie" qualms out.

next week it's gonna be, rappers are fukking too many hoes and not fathering kids.


The only difference between back in the day, and now... it's that nobody is trying to hide anything.... turn on your TV, every other commercial is about some new drug to cure some new sickness,sleep,take shyts,lose weight, be able to fukk etc. .... it's socially acceptable to be a perscription drug user to an extent.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Did you listen to the lyrics
It's not really glorifying it

The song was co-written by Melle Mel and Sylvia Robinson. Originally, it was intended to be an ironic celebration of a cocaine-fueled party lifestyle, but it was abridged with the "don't do it" message as an anti-cocaine song as a concession to commercial considerations.

 

[Pazzy]

I respect a lot of your post, but this one is something a square would say.

Herb is nothing like these drugs that are being mentioned. Yeah, you can smoke so much that you become lazy, but a chance of changing your sexuality or giving you a long term state of depression(molly/ecstacy), losing all of your money or having mental issues(cocaine), being constipated, and having seizures(opiates), are not going to happen with herb. I don't use herb to zone out of reality, I use it to help think deeper about reality while still being relaxed, and not get too stressed out from it. It also is good for my health, as long as I don't smoke it like crazy. Eating it or vaporizing it gives me all the benefits with no side effects.

Now with alcohol, I do agree but even then, it doesn't compare to the harder drugs. You seem to have so much sense, why would you even compare those drugs to herb?.

the point i'm making is that a lot of people use DRUGS for their own reason. any drug that is used unnecessary to the point where someone cannot function and is dependent on it is drug abuse. some drugs have higher addictive properties than others BUT regardless of that,they can still be abused.

what i'm sick of is hearing folks use the fact that weed hasn't killed anybody or doesn't have addictive properties like alcohol, nicotine, cocaine, opiates and etc as an excuse to abuse it or use it in a fashion where they feel that they can get high all day long, get behind a steering wheel, smoke it in front of their kids, and etc. they're not sick, they're not ill, they're healthy and they act as if they cannot function without that shyt. they circulate that shyt around their whole entire life. just because weed isn't dangerous, addictive or can't kill you doesn't give you the right to abuse that shyt. if you can't function without it and you're not sick as in that's your medicine to get you to eat, chill with the pain or whatever and you use it every single time you're stressed out or anxious, then you have an issue you need to look into that you need to stop covering up with weed. don't do yourself that injustice by going like "i'm stressed out so i'm gonna smoke some weed and make things better". what are you stressed out about? instead of smoking, you need to figure out what's bothering you and figure out how to fix it instead of blazing it up hoping that it goes away. i understand if you have a mental illness, smoke because you want to and etc but smoking everytime you're stressed out is not a way to manage life because weed isn't always going to be there when you're in stressful situations. life is supposed to be stressful otherwise, you're not living it or doing something wrong. you don't need marijuana to calm down or to be relaxed. don't use that as an excuse to be on a drug then look down on other people that use harder drugs that may be using it for the same reasons YOU use weed.

whatever you chose to do in your free time is your choice BUT quit looking down on others for using harder drugs when you're messing with drugs yourself. either way, you and them are in the same boat. i'm in the same boat as you are since i'm on a prescription pill. it seems like everyone wants to act like they're better than the next person over the dumbest shyt when we all are on something that is affecting us and we feel that we need it to cope with life.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

The song was co-written by Melle Mel and Sylvia Robinson. Originally, it was intended to be an ironic celebration of a cocaine-fueled party lifestyle, but it was abridged with the "don't do it" message as an anti-cocaine song as a concession to commercial considerations.

Listen to the verses. I'm not talking about the "don't do it" part. It is kinda like Swimming Pool

 

[bouncy]

the point i'm making is that a lot of people use DRUGS for their own reason. any drug that is used unnecessary to the point where someone cannot function and is dependent on it is drug abuse. some drugs have higher addictive properties than others BUT regardless of that,they can still be abused.

what i'm sick of is hearing folks use the fact that weed hasn't killed anybody or doesn't have addictive properties like alcohol, nicotine, cocaine, opiates and etc as an excuse to abuse it or use it in a fashion where they feel that they can get high all day long, get behind a steering wheel, smoke it in front of their kids, and etc. they're not sick, they're not ill, they're healthy and they act as if they cannot function without that shyt. they circulate that shyt around their whole entire life. just because weed isn't dangerous, addictive or can't kill you doesn't give you the right to abuse that shyt. if you can't function without it and you're not sick as in that's your medicine to get you to eat, chill with the pain or whatever and you use it every single time you're stressed out or anxious, then you have an issue you need to look into that you need to stop covering up with weed. don't do yourself that injustice by going like "i'm stressed out so i'm gonna smoke some weed and make things better". what are you stressed out about? instead of smoking, you need to figure out what's bothering you and figure out how to fix it instead of blazing it up hoping that it goes away. i understand if you have a mental illness, smoke because you want to and etc but smoking everytime you're stressed out is not a way to manage life because weed isn't always going to be there when you're in stressful situations. life is supposed to be stressful otherwise, you're not living it or doing something wrong. you don't need marijuana to calm down or to be relaxed. don't use that as an excuse to be on a drug then look down on other people that use harder drugs that may be using it for the same reasons YOU use weed.

whatever you chose to do in your free time is your choice BUT quit looking down on others for using harder drugs when you're messing with drugs yourself. either way, you and them are in the same boat. i'm in the same boat as you are since i'm on a prescription pill. it seems like everyone wants to act like they're better than the next person over the dumbest shyt when we all are on something that is affecting us and we feel that we need it to cope with life.

I agree somewhat, but I don't consider herb a drug, and I don't feel it's a bad things to use herb to help you understand your stress. There is a difference between escaping your issues, and trying to understand them without being stressed from them. You may not believe in God, and things like that, but I do, and I feel it gave us certain plants/fungus to help us deal with all aspects of life. Plants like cannabis(weed) helps keep our body in a relaxed mode, psychedelics to help us understand the unseen, spiritual world, and the rest as food to help us be able to live in a healthy physical state.

The fact that you, and even some users, see herb as a drug, is why I don't think you understand what I stating. The ones who use herb, and still see it as a drug, are usually the ones who abuse it, and give it no respect. As long as both of you aren't trying to hurt me, and prevent me from enjoying it, you can live how you want to live, but when you start looking down on me, and try to make life a living hell, then we have a problem.

It really comes down to how much cannabinoids you have in your brain(yes we have the same chemicals that are in herb, in our body) , and why you are conservative about weed, and see it as a drug, but that is another story. Anyway, I still respect you because, you do make a lot of sense in most of your post, this one was just something that didn't make sense to me.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Listen to the verses. I'm not talking about the "don't do it" part. It is kinda like Swimming Pool

That is great what YOU want the track to be but the people who wrote it, meant something else. They only added the don't do it parts so it could be played on the radio.

And there are a number of parts in the song where it is not 'talked down' on.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

That is great what YOU want the track to be but the people who wrote it, meant something else. They only added the don't do it parts so it could be played on the radio.

And there are a number of parts in the song where it is not 'talked down' on.