When Did the Glorifications of Drug Dealing, Violence and Womanizing become Mainstream and Acceptable in Hiphop?

[Iverson_64]

Pacs - Thuglife Album and he's Keep it Real / Crash out / Ready to Die personal really influenced Black Culture and music.

On top of he was a sexual symbol. So he poison our women just as much as the men.

The actual "gangsta" element was more so popularized by NWA, Dre, and Snoop though as well as the Mafioso Rap coming from the East. Pac's Thug Life album only went Gold and it still had conscious elements in it.

Pac's most mainstream music wasn't really all that stereotypically gangster and Pac never portrayed himself as a drug kingpin or mob boss like so many other rappers during that era. Pac always acknowledged his demons and his faults in his music while still having songs that uplifted people. He was similar to early 90's Ice Cube who kinda did the same thing.

The media made Pac into the embodiment of "gangsta rap" because they were still upset at Pac for shooting those racist White cops for harrassing a Black man. And the media tried to blame another brother shooting at a cop on Tupac. That was the real motive behind the initial villainization of Pac and why the media kept making him out to be more of a gangsta rapper than he actually was. Even Pac himself denounced being labeled as "gangsta rapper."

 

[Stuntone]

I lowkey dislike it when people who barely listen to Pac buy into the media narrative that his music was filled with stereotypical gangster elements.

Stop listening to the media narrative and listen to Pac for yourself. His music had some of those elements but Pac's music was conscious as hell. Maybe not as much as Public Enemy or De La Soul but up there. Many of Pac's biggest songs like Keep Ya Head Up, Dear Mama, Temptations, Changes, California Love, I Ain't Mad At Ya, To Live And Die In LA, So Many Tears, etc. had absolutely nothing to do with being a gangster, drug dealer, or thug.

By contrast, Dre, Biggie, and Snoop's entire personas were built around being gangster or drug kingpins(Frank White) whereas Pac always presented himself as a complex person who wrestled with demons and exposed how vulnerable he was to people.

Even Cube's music post Predator succumbed to generic hardcore rap for quite some time and the consciousness of his music fell off big time to the degree that he practically became a totally different artist.

Pac's just an easy scapegoat cause he was targeted by the media more but he was actually one of the less gangster oriented rappers around despite the whole "thug life" image he had.

I love Pac too, but have come to realize he was a Hypocrite Crash Dummy. He promoted having to crash out to be real. Many Black people just live by this. He made the average working class man seem lame, this still is an major issue in our community.

Hit Em Up was next level wicked.

Everybody loved Pac and imitated him.

 

[Mugenight]

The better question is when will it stop?

 

[DaddyFresh]

When they white man said this toxic shyt going to be black culture for decades.

 

[1thouwow]

I don’t even listen to music like that no more fr

 

[Iverson_64]

I love Pac too, but have come to realize he was a Hypocrite Crash Dummy. He promoted having to crash out to be real. Many Black people just live by this. He made the average working class man seem lame, this still is an major issue in our community.

Hit Em Up was next level wicked.

Everybody loved Pac and imitated him.

I'd say the very things you're blaming on Pac were accelerated by the spread of the Crack era and Crack babies being born in mass in a lot of inner city communities.

But, if we're strictly talking music, I still disagree. Pac and Biggie's deaths were more so a cautionary tale than something people aspired to live by which is why Diddy's "shiny suit" movement which was more fun and lighthearted exploded in popularity after their deaths initially. And the whole "martyr" mentality in the hood existed way before Pac. In fact, there were Good Times episodes that touched on this very thing back in the 70's.

Also, Pac ALWAYS embraced working class Black people both in his music and his own actions where he gave out money to brothers who were struggling. And Pac barely was that big on flaunting and flexing on others especially in comparison to Biggie who named dropped more of his material possessions on the One More Chance Remix alone than a whole Pac album lol.

 

[Stuntone]

The actual "gangsta" element was more so popularized by NWA, Dre, and Snoop though as well as the Mafioso Rap coming from the East. Pac's Thug Life album only went Gold and it still had conscious elements in it.

Pac's most mainstream music wasn't really all that stereotypically gangster and Pac never portrayed himself as a drug kingpin or mob boss like so many other rappers during that era. Pac always acknowledged his demons and his faults in his music while still having songs that uplifted people. He was similar to early 90's Ice Cube who kinda did the same thing.

The media made Pac into the embodiment of "gangsta rap" because they were still upset at Pac for shooting those racist White cops for harrassing a Black man. And the media tried to blame another brother shooting at a cop on Tupac. That was the real motive behind the initial villainization of Pac and why the media kept making him out to be more of a gangsta rapper than he actually was. Even Pac himself denounced being labeled as "gangsta rapper."

Pac was more than a Rapper. He was more of a Profit. People worship Pac .


Pac's made having 2 sides ok. He made it cool to do "Dear Mama" one day and "Hit Em Up" the next.


I can attribute the whole "Keeping it real" "Wilding Out" "Thugging Out" to Pac. Pac is the father of all Rappers.

 

[Wild self]

1991 and NWA "nikkas 4 Life" without Ice Cube being there.

That stems all the "Ima real nikka" arguments and cats going to jail to look authentic and "hard" for the streets.

1993 was when pro-black music was washed away from the mainstream and replaced by "Meance II Society" and Onyx. That was when everything went to hell pro-black wise and cats started chasing Latina hoes and "thick" white women.

 

[Complexion]

People really pick and choose with Pac and then present their edited sliver saying "There it is!".

The fact you can do that and still be wrong but correct shows how multifaceted he is in a genre full of one dimensional cardboard cut outs.

On topic if you're looking for someone to blame then Schooly School is the name as he is the grandfather of street tales, harsh realities and aggressive content:

Schooly D is wildly underrated

Man ushered in what would become the gangsta wave as people took his blueprint and ran with it. Peep: Definitely inspired Boyz N The Hood from its production to E's cadence. Ice T certainly heard this and took notes with the street story style. And he still found some time sprinkled...

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But even he was far more versatile that modern kids in that respect as he spoke from all angles, good and bad intents as someone else mentioned.

The West owes a massive debt to him as he laid the blueprint for their whole style as I said in the thread and then the East jumped back on it and amplified it with the mafia flex...

 

[Macallik86]

Pac is the father of rappers wanting to be cool, Biggie is the father of rappers wanting to be drug dealers.

As for womanizing, that has been a part of all cultures since the dawn of time. From Elvis, to MLK to James Brown to Gandhi

 

[WIA20XX]

1st Rap Single was bigging up objectification

You see, if your girl starts acting up, then you take her friend

 

[Wild self]

Mods send this lame ass thread to the bushes:

Nope

We confronting demons and slaughtering them.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

NWA is the right answer. Straight Outta Compton -> Easy E's Eazy Does It -> DOC No One Can Do It Better -> NWAs follow up without Ice Cube Niqqaz4Life is where it started. This was a run of undeniably dope Hip Hop that also sold A LOT of records, especially Niqqaz4Life.
Niqqaz4Life was a phenomenon, it got them invited to the White House, sold multiple Plat when Hip Hop wasn't doing those type of numbers and all without ANY radio play. It was just word of mouth. They weren't even on a major label.

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

I’d like to know why we embrace it as normal behavior. Just because something is presented to you, doesn’t mean you have to accept it. There are all kinds of things we don’t accept as black, yet we accept this.

 

[Wig Twistin Season]

@kp404 You negged me and said “wrong” because I told the truth?

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What part am I wrong on?