When did this biracial thing actually start to kick in ??

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The problem with people like you is that you define "black" by how "woke" the person is.

Being black is simply biological. Not a socio-political affiliation.

Frederick Douglass is not "blacker" than clarence thomas, just because he is more "woke"

Couple things. Race is a social construct. So race in and of it self is based on European scientific racism that seeks basis in biology, but the scientific community agrees there is no race in biology. That is why Obama is considered black in America but mixed in SA. This is because race uses different social constructs. In Louisiana, which used to be a French territory, had a French system of race. Also those who fled the Hatian revolution settled there bringing that system. That is where you get Creoles, who were given social privileges based on their race above black Africans in that area. But they lost their privileges when eventually the race systems in place in the rest of America took over.

In SA, criteria for Whites vs Coloureds vs Black were based on arbitrary physical features. They would measure lip, ear, and nose sizes, use the pencil test for hair, etc to differentiate. Some families were split apart on these lines who wouldn't have been separated otherwise. My professor was telling us about knowing a kid who grew up with a Zulu family until the SA government said "wait you aren't black you're coloured." And took him from his family relocating him in the proper designated area.


My answer is the same regardless of what group you name.

A person's ethnicity is a matter of biology.

Not their socio political affiliation.

Being "woker" does not make a person more "black american"

Ethnicity is even more divorced from biology. An ethnic group is defined by shared historical cultural experiences, language, etc. African Americans are not African Americans because of their DNA. The DNA is mixed with numerous ethnic groups from Africa. But it's not this specific DNA admixture that makes them African American. AA's are defined as the slaves bought over to what is now the US and their descendants.

In Africa, the Tutsi and the Hutu are a great example. They are not even considered proper separate ethnic groups in the scientific community. The Belgium state made arbitrary criteria, saying if you owned more than like 10 heads of cattle you were Tutsi. They also would say Tutsi have foreheads shaped a certain way therefore they are more Eurasian and superior.
 

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Couple things. Race is a social construct. So race in and of it self is based on European scientific racism that seeks basis in biology, but the scientific community agrees there is no race in biology. That is why Obama is considered black in America but mixed in SA. This is because race uses different social constructs. In Louisiana, which used to be a French territory, had a French system of race. Also those who fled the Hatian revolution settled there bringing that system. That is where you get Creoles, who were given social privileges based on their race above black Africans in that area. But they lost their privileges when eventually the race systems in place in the rest of America took over.

In SA, criteria for Whites vs Coloureds vs Black were based on arbitrary physical features. They would measure lip, ear, and nose sizes, use the pencil test for hair, etc to differentiate. Some families were split apart on these lines who wouldn't have been separated otherwise. My professor was telling us about knowing a kid who grew up with a Zulu family until the SA government said "wait you aren't black you're coloured." And took him from his family relocating him in the proper designated area.




Ethnicity is even more divorced from biology. An ethnic group is defined by shared historical cultural experiences, language, etc. African Americans are not African Americans because of their DNA. The DNA is mixed with numerous ethnic groups from Africa. But it's not this specific DNA admixture that makes them African American. AA's are defined as the slaves bought over to what is now the US and their descendants.

In Africa, the Tutsi and the Hutu are a great example. They are not even considered proper separate ethnic groups in the scientific community. The Belgium state made arbitrary criteria, saying if you owned more than like 10 heads of cattle you were Tutsi. They also would say Tutsi have foreheads shaped a certain way therefore they are more Eurasian and superior.

Honestly I can't believe that African-Americans actually don't understand that this. I think a lot of the people truly understand HOW race was imposed on black people born in other countries.
 
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Honestly I can't believe that African-Americans actually don't understand that this. I think a lot of the people truly understand HOW race was imposed on black people born in other countries.


If biracial people are black than a biracial family is black.

U basically saying u don't need black woman to breed Black people.

Which means u can't criticize a black man with a non black woman cause the kid is black no matter who the mom is.


Foh with ur logic black people only come from a black woman and black man together.
 
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So where does culture play into this ? I mean, it's not too many people will blacker than Frederick Douglass and he had at least one white parent and probably a few more down the line.

We going to include him as biracial because, I don't think they're too many black Americans who are prominent in history who are more quintessentially black American than him.


It's the fake, overly technical/non-spiritual society we live in today.
 

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If biracial people are black than a biracial family is black.

U basically saying u don't need black woman to breed Black people.

Which means u can't criticize a black man with a non black woman cause the kid is black no matter who the mom is.


Foh with ur logic black people only come from a black woman and black man together.

that's not what I'm saying or what I'm alluding to. What I'm saying is that why people buy a large determined a long time ago that somebody have black half white is considered a negro.

That has determined cultural direction of black people in this country.
Race is not only biological white people have made the final decision on these things traditionally. People need to know their history.
 

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You make some really good points in this post. A lot of white girls especially in the 90 started getting knocked up by Brothers.

Maybe what we're seeing now is that fall out these kids that have black fathers that were born in the 90s don't really see themselves just black or they wasn't raised around black people.

My next question is why were so many white women who actually had children with black men objected their children being called Black ?
Old thread, but it has to do with A. they are raising their kids as to what they know aka being white also because of shame.
 
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