When Michael Jordan was 36 he was Unquestionably The Best Player in the NBA, while Kobe at 36

[Cynic]

Even a top 20 Player?

Jordan winning Rings at 36 but Kobe ?


Bu Bu Bu, Kobe put on alot more NBA mileage by the time he hit 36


My only Reply:


He Shoulda went to College







Having a College and NBA legacy > having an NBA Legacy alone



The one thing Magic and Jordan have that Kobe never will,

An NCAA Championship

Kobe never retired and one thing Kobe will always have over cheese eyes is

Spoiler

His father still alive :gotdamnbreh:

 

[Gravity]

Fair enough.

But I mean one of the main sketches on Kobe drawn by his haters are that he gets calls that he doesn't deserve, flops/flails on minimal contact and so on and so forth.

This is a straw man argument. All stars get calls and I haven't seen anyone argue that Kobe gets more calls than any other superstar. Weak way to try and discredit Wade's performance.

 

[Bilz]

I don't think the series was rigged, but can you honestly sit there and tell me that if Kobe had a similar series (where he averaged 16 free throws a game and got the benefit of the doubt of 50/50 calls throughout most of the series), that it wouldn't be used against him rather than for him?

Wade played great that series, no doubt about it, but would it be looked at in the same light if it came from Kobe? Obviously I'm talking about the folk that don't like him here.

Kobe HAS had such a series and no one ever mentions it.

And many of the people on here calling out the ridiculousness of the free throw quantity Wade had in that series are the same ones who regularly talk about how amazing Kobe's 62 in 3 quarters was against that very same Dallas team. Apparently getting 16 free throws a game is ridiculous but Kobe getting 25 free throws in 3 quarters against that team was just fine.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This is a straw man argument. All stars get calls and I haven't seen anyone argue that Kobe gets more calls than any other superstar. Weak way to try and discredit Wade's performance.

and @Goatpoacher
Of course it's a straw man argument, but it hasn't stopped Kobe detractors from using it against him over the years now has it? And I'm not discrediting Wade's performance, at all. Read before you quote me next time. The point of using that as an example was that I highly doubt these same folk that are discrediting Kobe in favor of Wade's 06 Finals performance, wouldn't do the same shyt if the roles were reversed. We'd be hearing about the the Finals were rigged in favor of the Lakers (we've heard similar rhetoric before) and that Kobe was aided by the refs. Then if one were to give an example of an ECF performance of Wade's being better - where he only averaged one point less (and around nine less free throws), on a significantly better shooting percentage, double the amount of assists as well less turnovers and against better defenders you'd be claiming it was better than Kobe's performance because it was more efficient and that he got the team more involved.

 

[Bbwlover504]

And the nerve of you to state -

"I think Hardens game is based around getting a high percentage result. If the defense plays off, he takes the open shot. If they crowd him, he goes by them. If the defense rotates, he hits the open guy. If they don't rotate or are late with rotations, he attacks the basket and often draws contact. So the usual outcomes are an open midrange shot, an open corner 3, an open layup, or two free throws. It's smart basketball"

When he has only had a fraction of success playing the way he's played and Kobe has five titles.

You killing these nikkas in this thread breh

Some of these nikkas are delusional

 

[Bilz]

The reason Wades performance is placed ahead of any Kobe playoff series performance is because it happened in the finals. Several of Kobe's series would be ranked very high historically if they happened in the finals instead of an earlier round.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Kobe HAS had such a series and no one ever mentions it.

Against the Jazz? Yet Wade's performance is one of the greatest, and shyts all over Kobe's best performances. If one were to bring up that 08 Series CSF, when there wasn't a significant margin in their plays, yall wouldn't have a bar of it.

And many of the people on here calling out the ridiculousness of the free throw quantity Wade had in that series are the same ones who regularly talk about how amazing Kobe's 62 in 3 quarters was against that very same Dallas team. Apparently getting 16 free throws a game is ridiculous but Kobe getting 25 free throws in 3 quarters against that team was just fine.

That's not the point. The point is, yall shyt on Kobe stans for applying this reverse-handed logic, and you step in with this uppity ass voice of reason attitude and more often than not use the same logic.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The reason Wades performance is placed ahead of any Kobe playoff series performance is because it happened in the finals. Several of Kobe's series would be ranked very high historically if they happened in the finals instead of an earlier round.

Nah, I'm not buying that at all. Especially from the shyt I've heard on this board/sohh. And to be honest a WCF performance (more production on significantly better efficiency) doesn't rule it out of the debate of being better than a Finals performance... simply just because it was a Finals performance. Dudes acting like we can't even compare that Kobe's series against the Suns like it's on some blasphemous shyt.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I know @Goatpoacher hates Kobe with every bone in his body, but even he wouldn't stretch to saying that Harden was more fundamentally sound of a player.

 

[charmander]

I know @Goatpoacher hates Kobe with every bone in his body, but even he wouldn't stretch to saying that Harden was more fundamentally sound of a player.

isn't passing part of the fundamentals tho

 

[Gravity]

and @Goatpoacher
Of course it's a straw man argument, but it hasn't stopped Kobe detractors from using it against him over the years now has it? And I'm not discrediting Wade's performance, at all. Read before you quote me next time. The point of using that as an example was that I highly doubt these same folk that are discrediting Kobe in favor of Wade's 06 Finals performance, wouldn't do the same shyt if the roles were reversed. We'd be hearing about the the Finals were rigged in favor of the Lakers (we've heard similar rhetoric before) and that Kobe was aided by the refs. Then if one were to give an example of an ECF performance of Wade's being better - where he only averaged one point less (and around nine less free throws), on a significantly better shooting percentage, double the amount of assists as well less turnovers and against better defenders you'd be claiming it was better than Kobe's performance because it was more efficient and that he got the team more involved.

Saying that Wade's finals performance was better than any Kobe playoff performance is not a discredit to Kobe. Remove the dikk lodged in your throat so that you can think rationally.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

isn't passing part of the fundamentals tho

Kobe averaged more assists than Harden and has a better assists:turnover ratio in the playoffs over their respective careers.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Saying that Wade's finals performance was better than any Kobe playoff performance is not a discredit to Kobe. Remove the dikk lodged in your throat so that you can think rationally.

See this is what happens when dudes jump in mid-conversation. He wasn't just saying that it was a better performance, he was discrediting all of Kobe's playoff performances by saying it 'shytted' all over them. He was throwing shade on him, he even laughed at the thought that Kobe had all-time great performances in the playoffs like it couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[charmander]

Kobe averaged more assists than Harden and has a better assists:turnover ratio in the playoffs over their respective careers.

yea harden sucks but let me hate on kobe

 

[Goatpoacher]

and @Goatpoacher
Of course it's a straw man argument, but it hasn't stopped Kobe detractors from using it against him over the years now has it? And I'm not discrediting Wade's performance, at all. Read before you quote me next time. The point of using that as an example was that I highly doubt these same folk that are discrediting Kobe in favor of Wade's 06 Finals performance, wouldn't do the same shyt if the roles were reversed. We'd be hearing about the the Finals were rigged in favor of the Lakers (we've heard similar rhetoric before) and that Kobe was aided by the refs. Then if one were to give an example of an ECF performance of Wade's being better - where he only averaged one point less (and around nine less free throws), on a significantly better shooting percentage, double the amount of assists as well less turnovers and against better defenders you'd be claiming it was better than Kobe's performance because it was more efficient and that he got the team more involved.

You're not a wade hater so you've never made this criticism. I've only criticized Kobe because his stans rip wade for 2006 when all superstar perimeter players were getting calls against the mavs between 2006 and 2007.

The only criticisms i've leveled against Kobe are the ones his stans have leveled against other players. :JJ:

Only about 2 percent of them realize it :AA: