When Michael Jordan was 36 he was Unquestionably The Best Player in the NBA, while Kobe at 36

[Amare's Right Hook]

B-itch you feel off years ago

 

[Danny Up]

Jordan wasn't the best dude had a great team though. Jordan was the biggest gunner of that era though. nikka shot 7 more times than the next closest G

 

[Marvel]

Pretty Much.. I think alot of kids playing in the NBA would be alot better had they stayed in College Longer.. Of course there exceptions to the rule.

When I see someone like James Harden succeed who isnt the most athletically gifted player but Fundamentally Sound as can be on offensive side, shows you how far the college game can take you.. No question Harden wouldnt be nearly as good if it wasnt for college and actually staying for more than 1 or 2 years

Its crazy...I said the same thing last night about Harden. He is fundamentally more sound and has a high bball iq than kobe...its sad but true. Kobe is still great because he was a better athlete with an insane drive to be great. When you watch Harden, it is so easy for him to get his and get his team involved in the offense, something Kobe never was able to master. Kobe needed two year with Coach K...first year to breakdown...second year to build up and he would have been even better than he is now which is scary.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Its crazy...I said the same thing last night about Harden. He is fundamentally more sound and has a high bball iq than kobe...its sad but true. Kobe is still great because he was a better athlete with an insane drive to be great. When you watch Harden, it is so easy for him to get his and get his team involved in the offense, something Kobe never was able to master. Kobe needed two year with Coach K...first year to breakdown...second year to build up and he would have been even better than he is now which is scary.

Yall dudes don't even know what you're saying at this point.

 

[Marvel]

Yall dudes don't even know what you're saying at this point.

BBall IQ is about decision making and knowing how to work well with others. Its not about how to shoot at a crazy angle over 3 defenders. Kobe lacked that many times throughout his career, he is lucky he played with HoFs most of his career. If MJ or Bron played with prime Shaq...then the twin towers with healthy Bynum and prime Gasol next, they would have had at least 8 titles. Especially with Phil Jackson as coach.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

BBall IQ is about decision making and knowing how to work well with others. Its not about how to shoot at a crazy angle over 3 defenders. Kobe lacked that many times throughout his career, he is lucky he played with HoFs most of his career. If MJ or Bron played with prime Shaq...then the twin towers with healthy Bynum and prime Gasol next, they would have had at least 8 titles. Especially with Phil Jackson as coach.

You also said 'more fundamentally sound'. You couldn't be more factually wrong.

Kobe's BBIQ won him five titles. Harden can't even shoot above 40% in the playoffs nor get his team out of the first round.

 

[Rigby.]

What the fug was the point of this thread?

 

[Rigby.]

BBall IQ is about decision making and knowing how to work well with others. Its not about how to shoot at a crazy angle over 3 defenders. Kobe lacked that many times throughout his career, he is lucky he played with HoFs most of his career. If MJ or Bron played with prime Shaq...then the twin towers with healthy Bynum and prime Gasol next, they would have had at least 8 titles. Especially with Phil Jackson as coach.

MJ would have 8 titles if he just didnt quit basketball...if he had that system in place after the latter 3 titles though, he'd be the superb GOAT

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

at @Bilz ... you know very damn well that Harden isn't more fundamentally more sound of a player than Kobe.

 

[Bilz]

BBall IQ is about decision making and knowing how to work well with others. Its not about how to shoot at a crazy angle over 3 defenders. Kobe lacked that many times throughout his career, he is lucky he played with HoFs most of his career. If MJ or Bron played with prime Shaq...then the twin towers with healthy Bynum and prime Gasol next, they would have had at least 8 titles. Especially with Phil Jackson as coach.

It's crazy to me that people are always hyping up bball IQ for Kobe. His natural inclination is one on one play which is actually going against the high IQ play. He is the basketball equivalent of the guy who swings for the fences every at bat.

He can be a very good playmaker and it frustrates the Stans (and probably himself) that they're better when he fully buys into the team concept but he ain't got time fo dat. He has been hooked up with great supporting casts almost his whole career. They have smartly surrounded him with big men that are great rebounds and scorers so even when he fukks around and plays Kobe ball, they can bail him out.

 

[Mr_X]

Lets act like Kobe and the Lakers didnt suck the last 3+ years before the Achilles injury

Hey bytch nikka, Kobe was putting up 27 PPG, 6 REB, 6 AST the season his achilles blew up.

 

[Arabial Knight]

Kobe stanleys.

 

[Bilz]

at @Bilz ... you know very damn well that Harden isn't more fundamentally more sound of a player than Kobe.

I think Kobe is more skilled than Harden ever will be but that doesn't really have anything to do with fundamentals. To me, fundamentals is more about game planning and approach and I've always thought Kobe leaves a lot to be desired in those areas. He takes a lot of unnecessary risks on both sides. If you listen to the Stans, he's the best shooter, best defender, best one on one player, best clutch player, most intelligent player, and so on...yet he doesn't stand out from the group by any metric. What explanation can there be for that other than that other players are doing more with less?

 

[L@CaT]

Kobe stanleys.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I think Kobe is more skilled than Harden ever will be but that doesn't really have anything to do with fundamentals. To me, fundamentals is more about game planning and approach and I've always thought Kobe leaves a lot to be desired in those areas.

Skills = fundamentals. The very reason why Harden has failed as a #1 option up to this point is because his game isn't fundamentally sound. This is crazy talk even from a Kobe hater. Kobe certainly isn't the greatest decision maker, that is true, but you're propping up a dude that hasn't been in the league all that long and is an ABYSMAL playoff performer -

In his last FIVE playoff series' (dating back to OKC), he's only shot over 40% ONCE..... ONCE. Do you even realize how poor that is?

How the hell is Harden more fundamentally sound and has a higher BBIQ when he doesn't have the resume to be nor has he had any season(s) or playoff performances that even come close to Kobe's?

shyt on Kobe all you want for his play (that deserves it), but do not under any circumstance prop up a player that doesn't even come close to him.

He takes a lot of unnecessary risks on both sides. If you listen to the Stans, he's the best shooter, best defender, best one on one player, best clutch player, most intelligent player, and so on...yet he doesn't stand out from the group by any metric. What explanation can there be for that other than that other players are doing more with less?

Yet don't you label yourself as the one to bring reason and sense to all that? How the hell do you expect folk to take you seriously when you back the campaign of 'Harden is more fundamentally sound and has a higher BBIQ than Kobe does'?