When Michael Jordan was 36 he was Unquestionably The Best Player in the NBA, while Kobe at 36
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Skills = fundamentals. The very reason why Harden has failed as a #1 option up to this point is because his game isn't fundamentally sound. This is crazy talk even from a Kobe hater. Kobe certainly isn't the greatest decision maker, that is true, but you're propping up a dude that hasn't been in the league all that long and is an ABYSMAL playoff performer -
In his last FIVE playoff series' (dating back to OKC), he's only shot over 40% ONCE..... ONCE. Do you even realize how poor that is?
How the hell is Harden more fundamentally sound and has a higher BBIQ when he doesn't have the resume to be nor has he had any season(s) or playoff performances that even come close to Kobe's?
shyt on Kobe all you want for his play (that deserves it), but do not under any circumstance prop up a player that doesn't even come close to him.
Yet don't you label yourself as the one to bring reason and sense to all that? How the hell do you expect folk to take you seriously when you back the campaign of 'Harden is more fundamentally sound and has a higher BBIQ than Kobe does'?
God , you so don't know what u are talking about.
@Walt this who you put faith in to shyt on Harden
Create a thread then. Ask who is the more fundamentally sound player.
Explain this to me. How does an Avg athletic guard put up 27, 7 and 7 and yet isn't fundamental?
Obviously Harden is doing his thing because of something. If it isn't athleticism and it isn't fundamentals, what is it smart guy?
Yes Harden is as fundamental as it gets offensively. And Yes it was college bball that installed those fundamentals in him.
That's not the argument here. You said that he's more fundamentally sound. Like I said, go and make a thread.
Yup, you're legitimately stupid.
Bilz
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Skills = fundamentals. The very reason why Harden has failed as a #1 option up to this point is because his game isn't fundamentally sound. This is crazy talk even from a Kobe hater. Kobe certainly isn't the greatest decision maker, that is true, but you're propping up a dude that hasn't been in the league all that long and is an ABYSMAL playoff performer -
In his last FIVE playoff series' (dating back to OKC), he's only shot over 40% ONCE..... ONCE. Do you even realize how poor that is?
How the hell is Harden more fundamentally sound and has a higher BBIQ when he doesn't have the resume to be nor has he had any season(s) or playoff performances that even come close to Kobe's?
shyt on Kobe all you want for his play (that deserves it), but do not under any circumstance prop up a player that doesn't even come close to him.
Yet don't you label yourself as the one to bring reason and sense to all that? How the hell do you expect folk to take you seriously when you back the campaign of 'Harden is more fundamentally sound and has a higher BBIQ than Kobe does'?
I don't define skills as fundamentals. To me, "fundamentals" are more about what you do with your skills and how you apply them. I think Hardens game is based around getting a high percentage result. If the defense plays off, he takes the open shot. If they crowd him, he goes by them. If the defense rotates, he hits the open guy. If they don't rotate or are late with rotations, he attacks the basket and often draws contact. So the usual outcomes are an open midrange shot, an open corner 3, an open layup, or two free throws. It's smart basketball
Playoff series are small sample sizes and they're in the past. I'm talking about right now, not April Of last year or the year before that, And if you have such an issue with Hardens playoff performance over that time period, how about you post Kobes fundamental high IQ results over that same time period?
That's cool in all but you can't build it around your definition to suit your agenda, much more you can't disregard the difference in skills. It's similar to saying Soulja Boy is more fundamentally sound of a rapper than Nas is. When someone is talking about a player being fundamentally sound in something, they're talking about someone that has 'mastered' (for a lack of a better word) the skills of that particular vocation.
And exactly how much success has he had in his career with this type of play?I think Hardens game is based around getting a high percentage result. If the defense plays off, he takes the open shot. If they crowd him, he goes by them. If the defense rotates, he hits the open guy. If they don't rotate or are late with rotations, he attacks the basket and often draws contact. So the usual outcomes are an open midrange shot, an open corner 3, an open layup, or two free throws. It's smart basketball
You're not serious are you? If we can't use a player's past to judge them, how the hell can we gauge what type of player they are?
And what happens if this brand of ball fails in the playoffs? What happens then? If he plays similar to what he has done in the previous two post seasons, would you still have this asinine opinion of his game?
And if you have such an issue with Hardens playoff performance over that time period, how about you post Kobes fundamental high IQ results over that same time period?
Or how about I post Kobe's best playoff performances, you know the ones where you claim that Harden has shown to be a more fundamentally sound player than he is.
Post season play -
Kobe has had all-time great playoff series performances, when Harden hasn't even had ONE.
Bilz
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No need to respond to any of that because you're calling me out for agendas (your entire shtick), you're blatantly twisting what I said, and you're trying to change this discussion into who the better player is and/or who has had the more successful career. You can argue that with yourself because none of what you are talking about is relevant to anything I said
This thread has devolved from Jordan vs Kobe into Kobe vs Harden
This thread has devolved from Jordan vs Kobe into Kobe vs Harden
Yet you want me to post Kobe's playoff performances over the same time period as Harden (past two post seasons), as if that is the most accurate display of his game?
YOUR ENTIRE POSTING CAREER IS AN AGENDA AGAINST KOBE.
How so? There isn't much to twist, because your view is twisted already. How can you say with a straight face that Harden is the more fundamentally sound player?
If you're more fundamentally sound than another player, more often than not that coincides with you being a better player, not the total picture, but it plays a large part.
What has Harden shown over the course of his short career that he's more fundamentally sound? He doesn't have the playoff appearances nor the regular season production to even have a near accurate reading, so how could he possibly more fundamentally sound than one of the greatest offensive players to ever play the game?
All you're doing is twisting what the common definition of what a 'fundamentally sound' player is, with some bullshyt just to shyt on Kobe.
That's because you're getting called out on your bullshyt. You claim to be the voice of reason, but here you are peddling some ersatz shyt to the board like it's the real thing.
Exactly my point.This thread has devolved from Jordan vs Kobe into Kobe vs Harden
You shyt on folk comparing Kobe to Jordan, yet you have the fukkin utter nerve to compare Harden to Kobe, by finding a superficial caveat of 'fundamentals' and using it against Kobe as if you don't call out Kobe stans for doing the exact same thing when they try to something similar to get one up on Jordan . Absolutely disgusting and shameless posting.
And the nerve of you to state -
"I think Hardens game is based around getting a high percentage result. If the defense plays off, he takes the open shot. If they crowd him, he goes by them. If the defense rotates, he hits the open guy. If they don't rotate or are late with rotations, he attacks the basket and often draws contact. So the usual outcomes are an open midrange shot, an open corner 3, an open layup, or two free throws. It's smart basketball"
When he has only had a fraction of success playing the way he's played and Kobe has five titles.
"I think Hardens game is based around getting a high percentage result. If the defense plays off, he takes the open shot. If they crowd him, he goes by them. If the defense rotates, he hits the open guy. If they don't rotate or are late with rotations, he attacks the basket and often draws contact. So the usual outcomes are an open midrange shot, an open corner 3, an open layup, or two free throws. It's smart basketball"
When he has only had a fraction of success playing the way he's played and Kobe has five titles.
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2010 series against the Suns. That's an all-time great performance in a playoff series.
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This what you consider "All-Time"? What Top 100. Lakers were the #1 Seed and was never down in the series. Suns lost 4-2. Nothing memorable. Typical Kobe chucking the ball series. Now DWade 06' Finals>>>>>>>any Kobe playoff performance.
BTW im not trying to convince you of anything I just find it
how delusional Kobe stans are.Obviously you didn't watch that series then, since he shot 52% from the field.
Wade played great that series no doubt, but you can't deny he had a helping hand from the refs. There were a lot of dubious calls that went in favor of Miami in that series. Plus Wade only averaged one more point than Kobe in that series, despite shooting an extra nine free throws.
Wade -
Bryant -
Kobe's performance was better. Near equal points, better shooting percentage from the field/3-pt line and free throw line, equal rebounds, 2x the assists and less turnovers.
I find itBTW im not trying to convince you of anything I just find it
how you think Kobe stans are delusional, and you respond with something that's genuinely riddled with delusion.
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This is exactly why y'all are so delusional. Strictly box score analytics without applying the context of the game. I purposefully stated Wade's 06 performance because it's common knowledge that it is undoubtedly one of the best playoff performances ever but you somehow someway you came to the conclusion through box score analytics that Kobe's 10' WCF was better because your fanhood dictates you too.