when talking about top nba players why isnt clyde drexler talked about?

[Newzz]

Charles Oakley didnt "mold" anybody.

Dude was only on the Bulls for the rookie seasons of Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant (1988 season).

at a 3rd year player "molding" a rookie into a HOF when he was nothing but an average player himself AND only played 1 season with him


Why didn't Charles Oakley mold Charles Smith into a HOFer? John Starks? Anthony Mason? Hubert Davis? Greg Anthony? Charlie Ward?


Charles Oakley molded Scottie Pippen into a HOFer


How would Scottie know about what type of impact Oakley had on the Bulls when they only played 1 season together?

 

[ManBearPig]

GTFO with that bullshyt. Jordan made Pippen play better Defense? Jordan made Grant rebound better? Jordan made Paxon a 3 pt shooter?

And that 2001 Lakers had just as many HOFers as that Bulls team

whatever.

Drexler aint shyt outside of the basketball world and yall nikkaz aint shyt.

 

[Bigen King]

he was dope AF on NBA2k10

but yall nikkahs need to read up Clyde the Glide he one of the NBA legends and TOP 50 to play the game

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Now, I know you gotta be young.

THE WHOLE WORLD considered Scottie Pippen to be soft until they won in '91

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2. Yes, The Bulls were BARELY over .500 in an East that was nowhere near what it was in the heyday of the Celtics, 76ers, and Pistons in the '80s. Jordan came back and lifted them to only the 3rd place team in the Central Division.

They were running on empty


3. And yes, Scottie was in his rookie year, but he didn't even make the ALL-ROOKIE team his rookie year. He wasn't even one of the 10 best rookies in his draft class at the time.

Derrick McKey had a better rookie season than he did.

And since when is averaging 14 and 16 points per game make you all that in the NBA? Especially back then when teams used to regularly score 110 points a game?

Like I said, he was nowhere near a great player until his 3rd and 4th years after years of Jordan and Oakley bullying him and pushing him to get better, or else



So, wait?

Clyde played with Shaq, LeBron, and Chris Bosh caliber players now?

I don't think so.

Any one of those players is better than ANYBODY Clyde played with until he got to Houston to play with an old Hakeem Olajuwon.



HAHAHAHA

Shaq alone deads that argument, and so does Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum.

Please.

The best backcourt of the time was Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars



1. They never made it out of the first round of the playoffs. End of discussion.

2. Who else did they need to make into a Hall of Famer?

Jordan came in '84, Oakley in '85, and Pippen in '87.

It's not like they had 10 years or something to mold other players. They just realized with Pippen and Horace Grant that the Bulls were never gonna get them any help and so they stopped bytching about it and got to work on Pippen.

Once Pippen finally stopped playing like a bytch in the playoffs in 1991, it was on. Unfortunately, Oak had to leave before that, but Pippen himself will tell you about how big a role Oak had on those old Bulls teams.

man, this whole idea that you can magically mode random players into hall of famers is ridiculous.

if thats the case, then why couldnt charles oakley mold himself into a dam hall of famer?

now you got dudes in here acting like jordan turned grant into a rebounder and made paxson into a clutch shooter, like the bul said earlier - yall trippin.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Charles Oakley didnt "mold" anybody.

Dude was only on the Bulls for the rookie seasons of Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant (1988 season).

at a 3rd year player "molding" a rookie into a HOF when he was nothing but an average player himself AND only played 1 season with him


Why didn't Charles Oakley mold Charles Smith into a HOFer? John Starks? Anthony Mason? Hubert Davis? Greg Anthony? Charlie Ward?


Charles Oakley molded Scottie Pippen into a HOFer


How would Scottie know about what type of impact Oakley had on the Bulls when they only played 1 season together?

Because he didn't have Jordan with him. I never said Oak did it by himself it was the tandem of Jordan and Oakley that stayed in Pippen and Grant's asses in the early days.

The reason most people consider Jordan the greatest ever is not only that he scored lots of points, it was the effect that he had on his teammates.

Scottie Pippen, Steve Kerr, and tons of other ex-Bulls talk about how Jordan bullied his teammates into greatness.

It was amplified when Oak was around because he was Jordan's enforcer, but Jordan was still at it up until the last 3 peat when he was punching Steve Kerr in the face.

man, this whole idea that you can magically mode random players into hall of famers is ridiculous.

if thats the case, then why couldnt charles oakley mold himself into a dam hall of famer?

now you got dudes in here acting like jordan turned grant into a rebounder and made paxson into a clutch shooter, like the bul said earlier - yall trippin.

Pippen wasn't a Hall of Famer without Jordan.

His career stats are 16 ppg and 5 ast per game and 2 steals a game.

Who else is getting in the Hall of Fame with numbers like that. . . . UNLESS they played with an even greater player who got them a bunch of rings.

Y'all acting like Pippen averaged 25 a game for his career with 7 or 8 boards or something.

He was Jordan's supplemental player.

There to average 17 points a game and play some good D. That's it.

Without Jordan, he would've NEVER won any rings and therefore never been considered a Hall of Famer with his stats.

 

[Newzz]

Because he didn't have Jordan with him. I never said Oak did it by himself it was the tandem of Jordan and Oakley that stayed in Pippen and Grant's asses in the early days.

The reason most people consider Jordan the greatest ever is not only that he scored lots of points, it was the effect that he had on his teammates.

Scottie Pippen, Steve Kerr, and tons of other ex-Bulls talk about how Jordan bullied his teammates into greatness.

It was amplified when Oak was around because he was Jordan's enforcer, but Jordan was still at it up until the last 3 peat when he was punching Steve Kerr in the face.

Scottie Pippen & Charles Oakley - YouTube



Pippen wasn't a Hall of Famer without Jordan.

His career stats are 16 ppg and 5 ast per game and 2 steals a game.

Who else is getting in the Hall of Fame with numbers like that. . . . UNLESS they played with an even greater player who got them a bunch of rings.

Y'all acting like Pippen averaged 25 a game for his career with 7 or 8 boards or something.

He was Jordan's supplemental player.

There to average 17 points a game and play some good D. That's it.

Without Jordan, he would've NEVER won any rings and therefore never been considered a Hall of Famer with his stats.

But without Jordan on the Bulls, he averaged 22 ppg, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block in those 144 games and led the Bulls to a 89-55 record over the time period Jordan was retired.


Who's to say Pippen wouldn't have been a HOFer without Jordan when he put up elite numbers without Jordan.


Dont forget, when Pippen left the Bulls, he was no longer in his prime. prime Pippen without Jordan was a top 5 perimeter player in the NBA.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Because he didn't have Jordan with him. I never said Oak did it by himself it was the tandem of Jordan and Oakley that stayed in Pippen and Grant's asses in the early days.

The reason most people consider Jordan the greatest ever is not only that he scored lots of points, it was the effect that he had on his teammates.

Scottie Pippen, Steve Kerr, and tons of other ex-Bulls talk about how Jordan bullied his teammates into greatness.

It was amplified when Oak was around because he was Jordan's enforcer, but Jordan was still at it up until the last 3 peat when he was punching Steve Kerr in the face.

Scottie Pippen & Charles Oakley - YouTube



Pippen wasn't a Hall of Famer without Jordan.

His career stats are 16 ppg and 5 ast per game and 2 steals a game.

Who else is getting in the Hall of Fame with numbers like that. . . . UNLESS they played with an even greater player who got them a bunch of rings.

Y'all acting like Pippen averaged 25 a game for his career with 7 or 8 boards or something.

He was Jordan's supplemental player.

There to average 17 points a game and play some good D. That's it.

Without Jordan, he would've NEVER won any rings and therefore never been considered a Hall of Famer with his stats.

supplemental players arent mvp candidates.

and without pippen, jordan wouldnt have any rings either.

matter fact, pippen was just a fluke play away from getting a ring in 2000.

as for your stats argument, newzz took the words out of my mouth already.

But without Jordan on the Bulls, he averaged 22 ppg, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block in those 144 games and led the Bulls to a 89-55 record over the time period Jordan was retired.


Who's to say Pippen wouldn't have been a HOFer without Jordan when he put up elite numbers without Jordan.


Dont forget, when Pippen left the Bulls, he was no longer in his prime. prime Pippen without Jordan was a top 5 perimeter player in the NBA.

exactly.

i dont know why some people dont understand this. i think they just dont want to acknowledge it.

of course youre career average is gonna be 16ppg if the best player on your team is chucking up endless shots and gets mad if you take the liberty of hitting a game winner.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

But without Jordan on the Bulls, he averaged 22 ppg, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block in those 144 games and led the Bulls to a 89-55 record over the time period Jordan was retired.


Who's to say Pippen wouldn't have been a HOFer without Jordan when he put up elite numbers without Jordan.


Dont forget, when Pippen left the Bulls, he was no longer in his prime. prime Pippen without Jordan was a top 5 perimeter player in the NBA.

Yeah, but that was Pippen as the "creation" of Jordan and others. Not Scottie Pippen who was drafted by Seattle in 1987.

There is not ONE person who watched Pippen in his first 3 years in Chicago who would've said he would be a Hall of Fame caliber player.

Not ONE.

He was a guy known for bytching up against Detroit.

Like I said, he was a guy who was molded into a really good player.

Derrick McKey had a better rookie season than he did.

Michael Jordan had scoring titles, playoff records, MVPs, etc. . .before he even met Scottie Pippen. He was a Hall of Famer already.

supplemental players arent mvp candidates.

and without pippen, jordan wouldnt have any rings either.

matter fact, pippen was just a fluke play away from getting a ring in 2000.

as for your stats argument, newzz took the words out of my mouth already.



exactly.

i dont know why some people dont understand this. i think they just dont want to acknowledge it.

of course youre career average is gonna be 16ppg if the best player on your team is chucking up endless shots and gets mad if you take the liberty of hitting a game winner.

Jordan didn't have any rings without Pippen because Magic's Lakers, Bird's Celtics, and Isiah's Pistons were all WAY better teams than Jordan's Bulls. Hell, I'd argue that even with Pippen and Phil Jackson, the Bulls aren't fukking with any of the teams that won in the '80s, breh. They were all loaded with Hall of Famers. Those are like some of the greatest teams in history.

The Bulls were Michael Jordan scoring 30 a night, Pippen scoring 17, and finding somebody else be it Grant, Kukoc, or somebody else to step up. The Bulls were never a "bomb squad". The Lakers, Celtics, 76ers, Pistons, etc. all were. You had to be back then.

The Bulls were just a lot younger than those other teams and when they got old, they were around to pick up the scraps.

And Pippen's Blazers completely collapsed against the Lakers, just like the Houston Rockets with Pippen, Olajuwon, and Barkley collapsed in the playoffs. That's not a "fluke" play. That's choking, which is what they did.


And since when did Jordan get mad if other players took the last shot?

The most important shots in Bulls team history was Steve Kerr's shot against Utah and John Paxsons' shot against Phoenix. Both times Jordan passed it to them to shoot.

It was PIPPEN who bytched up when Phil Jackson drew up the last shot for Toni Kukoc instead of him in '94.

 

[Raw Lyrics]

ya'll are overrating the sht out of Clyde. If anything Clyde benefitted by playing on a small market team, so he was artificially hyped as the "anti-jordan", in an sense. If you check the stats, his prime was remarkably short. He was pretty much a 19-20 pt. per game scorer, after the 91-92 season for the rest of his career. People like him because hes quiet and a nice guy, but hes not anywhere near the level ya'll are ranking him at. He only had a handful of great seasons. Flash in the pan.

Clyde had a stretch where he averaged in scoring: 18.5, 21.7, 27.2, 27.0, 23.3, 21.5, 25.0; with over 7 rebounds & over 6 assist. Richmond averaged 21ppg with 4 rebounds, close to 4 assist.

Clyde was a better basketball player and better athlete than MR.

 

[holidayinn21]

only in a bizarro fukking world is weak handle, broke jumper clyde drexler on the same level as kobe or wade.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Yeah, but that was Pippen as the "creation" of Jordan and others. Not Scottie Pippen who was drafted by Seattle in 1987.

There is not ONE person who watched Pippen in his first 3 years in Chicago who would've said he would be a Hall of Fame caliber player.

Not ONE.

He was a guy known for bytching up against Detroit.

Like I said, he was a guy who was molded into a really good player.

Derrick McKey had a better rookie season than he did.

Michael Jordan had scoring titles, playoff records, MVPs, etc. . .before he even met Scottie Pippen. He was a Hall of Famer already.



Jordan didn't have any rings without Pippen because Magic's Lakers, Bird's Celtics, and Isiah's Pistons were all WAY better teams than Jordan's Bulls. Hell, I'd argue that even with Pippen and Phil Jackson, the Bulls aren't fukking with any of the teams that won in the '80s, breh. They were all loaded with Hall of Famers. Those are like some of the greatest teams in history.

The Bulls were Michael Jordan scoring 30 a night, Pippen scoring 17, and finding somebody else be it Grant, Kukoc, or somebody else to step up. The Bulls were never a "bomb squad". The Lakers, Celtics, 76ers, Pistons, etc. all were. You had to be back then.

The Bulls were just a lot younger than those other teams and when they got old, they were around to pick up the scraps.

And Pippen's Blazers completely collapsed against the Lakers, just like the Houston Rockets with Pippen, Olajuwon, and Barkley collapsed in the playoffs. That's not a "fluke" play. That's choking, which is what they did.


And since when did Jordan get mad if other players took the last shot?

The most important shots in Bulls team history was Steve Kerr's shot against Utah and John Paxsons' shot against Phoenix. Both times Jordan passed it to them to shoot.

It was PIPPEN who bytched up when Phil Jackson drew up the last shot for Toni Kukoc instead of him in '94.

lol @ pippen being a jordan creation. stop it.

and again we ask, why couldnt jordan & oakley make another pippen? why couldnt oakley make himself into a hof'er.

and homie, i know all about those '80s super-squads. youre not schooling me on anything. i never even compared the bulls to any of those teams in the 1st place so why are you even trying to argue about it?

and yea, jordan b*tchin at pippen for hitting the game-winner was caught on camera.

didnt pippen get benched in the final seconds of that game? i think he may have been throwing chairs because of that.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

lol @ pippen being a jordan creation. stop it.

and again we ask, why couldnt jordan & oakley make another pippen? why couldnt oakley make himself into a hof'er.

and homie, i know all about those '80s super-squads. youre not schooling me on anything. i never even compared the bulls to any of those teams in the 1st place so why are you even trying to argue about it?

and yea, jordan b*tchin at pippen for hitting the game-winner was caught on camera.

didnt pippen get benched in the final seconds of that game? i think he may have been throwing chairs because of that.

Once again, Jordan & Oakley only played TOGETHER for 3 years. There's no doubt in my mind that if Scottie Pippen had never existed and they had stuck TOGETHER in Chicago, they would've won a championship with somebody else.

Also, Charles Oakley going to the Knicks is what turned the Knicks into the Bulls biggest rivals in the east after Detroit. He's the one that turned the Knicks into tough guys. He gave them their identity in the early '90s. If it wasn't for Jordan's Bulls, then the Knicks would've probably had 2 or 3 titles themselves.

Also, Pippen was "benched" because he was bytching at Phil for giving Toni Kukoc the last shot with 1.7 seconds.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Once again, Jordan & Oakley only played TOGETHER for 3 years. There's no doubt in my mind that if Scottie Pippen had never existed and they had stuck TOGETHER in Chicago, they would've won a championship with somebody else.

Also, Charles Oakley going to the Knicks is what turned the Knicks into the Bulls biggest rivals in the east after Detroit. He's the one that turned the Knicks into tough guys. He gave them their identity in the early '90s. If it wasn't for Jordan's Bulls, then the Knicks would've probably had 2 or 3 titles themselves.

Also, Pippen was "benched" because he was bytching at Phil for giving Toni Kukoc the last shot with 1.7 seconds.

youre avoiding the question.

why couldnt oakley make himself into a hall of famer?

and concerning the knicks, like people were asking earlier in the thread, why couldnt oakley mold charles smith into a hall of famer? john starks isnt even a hall of famer and he was the 2nd best player on that team.

the knicks wouldve won 2 or 3 titles if jordan's bulls werent around? the same knicks that were a blown call away from possibly getting knocked out of the playoffs by pippen's bulls when jordan was retired? and they still didnt win the chip that year. and they didnt even make it out the east in '95. thats 2 titles right there b.

 

[malbaker86]

How the FUKK did this thread get away from being a Clyde thread!?!?!

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

youre avoiding the question.

why couldnt oakley make himself into a hall of famer?

and concerning the knicks, like people were asking earlier in the thread, why couldnt oakley mold charles smith into a hall of famer? john starks isnt even a hall of famer and he was the 2nd best player on that team.

the knicks wouldve won 2 or 3 titles if jordan's bulls werent around? the same knicks that were a blown call away from possibly getting knocked out of the playoffs by pippen's bulls when jordan was retired? and they still didnt win the chip that year. and they didnt even make it out the east in '95. thats 2 titles right there b.

With your logic, why couldn't Phil Jackson turn himself into a Hall of Famer. I mean, he was good at motivating great players and winning championships as a coach, but how come he couldn't be a great player in his own time?

That's wack ass logic. Oakley's game wasn't being a great scorer. He was a tough guy. He could be an enforcer and motivate somebody with talent, but who didn't have the toughness and mental state to use it.

Oakley and Jordan TOGETHER motivated Pippen & Grant to be players they would've never become had they never played with those guys simple as that.

And once again, you keep saying that I said Charles Oakley and Oakley alone motivated Pippen.

You seem to be missing the fact that the other guy (Jordan), that Pippen had to guard everyday and get guarded by in practice everyday, just so happened to be the greatest player in NBA history (arguably).

Yeah, I'm sure that had no effect, right?

Please, if Pippen goes to who drafted him (Seattle) in '87, he's not in the Hall of Fame or even an All-Star.

Jordan, on the other hand was all of those things before he even met Pippen.

But back to Drexler.

Drexler's best year he averaged 28 ppg and 8 boards again, in a Western Conference that still had Magic's Lakers dominating it.

And he's only one of 3 players to score 20,000 and have over 6,000 boards and assists.

I'll take Clyde.