When will The Coli learn single read QBs don't have sustained success in the NFL

[Bryan Danielson]

That's irrelevant breh. He still ran for over 1,000 yards the very next season with an OL that couldn't protect Kap. Your excuses for Kap are looking funny in the light.

Why would you compare their 2015 season when Luck was playing injured? Even then, Luck threw 15 TDs-12 INTs compared to Kaps 6 TDs-5 INTs ....LOL stop it fam.

You aren't respecting the lack of Luck's defense if you're calling him a liability...what are you even saying? And I already shut those excuses down when I proved Kap had a good defense and a good running game. You literally are just saying shyt without proving it.

Turning the ball over like crazy and barely winning 8 games? nikka Luck has been to the playoffs more than Kap with a worse team....again, what are you saying?

Russ using his legs is different than Kap using his legs. One is a read option QB and the other has to run for his life every play because of a shyt OL.

Irrelevant? He didnt SHOW UP when the lights got bright?

So again, we acknowledge Luck was injured but dont acknowledge Kaep was injured (I mean he did have surgery and who gets surgery if nothing is wrong with them)? Thats an excuse thats funny in the light... stop it fam.
If a team has a bad defense, you cant be out here throwing pics.

Use he legs differently? The last 3 years just like the Seahawks the Niners had one of the worst lines too and any qb that was back there had to run for their lives as well. Gabbert almost got KILLED a few games last year.

At the end of the day, it helps to make more than one read when you have a little bit of talent to throw to and just a little bit of help from your line.

Dude, I acknowledged that he's not a top 5 QB. I dont know what else you want from me. I just feel that he's better than what people are trying to say he's is and trynna say he was the product of bad teams. Cuz again if he was the sole problem why are the Niners 0-6 and why were they 4-9 with him now playing?

If he is so terrible why is a guy that has a record of 9-31 still in the league with a job? Hoyer isnt considered a "One Read QB" but has a career record of 16-21 and has far inferior overall stats.

How do we justify that and say "oh but that is better than what Kaep can do"

This is an example of why he possibly only makes one read at times.


Here are examples of him making more than one read





A lot of the knocks about him are exaggerated, when he has the time like many or any other QB he will go through his progressions, but when not he will either get the ball out his hands or take off

Martha

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I'm not going to try get everyone who reads this to believe Kaepernick is the greatest quarterback evaaaaaa, but rather that his play on the field last season would be worth at least a roster spot in the NFL — if not a chance at a starting position — if all this was about merit.

So let’s start off with some facts.

Fact: Kaepernick has had three offensive coordinators in the last three seasons. He had Greg Roman in 2014, Geep Chryst in 2015, and Curtis Modkins last season.

Fact: None of those offensive coordinators ran the same system.

Fact: Kaepernick only started eight games in 2015.

Fact: Kaepernick’s completion percentages in his last three starts of 2015 were 59.3, 54.2, and 48.8 percent, respectively.

Fact: Kaepernick’s 2015 season ended when he had surgery to repair a torn labrum in his left shoulder.

Fact: He also had surgery on the thumb of his throwing hand and his left knee (the one he plants with) early last offseason.

Fact: Kaepernick wasn't able to practice much before training camp last year and didn't see on-the-field action until the third game of the preseason.

Fact: In spite of all of that, the Broncos tried to trade for Kaepernick last offseason to be their starting quarterback.

To recap, Kaepernick was rehabbing most of last offseason at a time when he was having to learn his third offense in three years. His injuries still hadn't healed enough at the beginning of last season for his head coach to feel comfortable starting him. So Kaepernick sat for the first five weeks, until coach Chip Kelly decided it was time to start him in Week 6 against the Buffalo Bills.

Martha

 

[Flex Luger]

I see somebody is mad that Watson is lighting it up while Kizer lost his job to generic white QB.

 

[Swagnificent]

- RGIII
- Kaepernick
- Mariota


Next on the Summer Jam screen...

- Deshaun Watson

First comes the success, then come the nagging injuries, then comes the inability to stretch the field horizontally in order to make 1 read throws all game.

Y'all fall for this shyt every year. Only nikka that could do consistently it was Vick and he had his own issues in the playoffs.

#factsonlyproductions

We agree for once. But your boy ain't any better. Kizer = 0 read QB. He can't even make it to his 1st read.

Future of the QB position = Josh Dobbs

 

[Swagnificent]

Single read qbs don't light up Alabama twice

Watson is special

You act like that means anything. Chad Kelly and Johnny Manziel lit up Alabama twice (though they each only one the first matchup). Spread QBs in air raid schemes have been putting up numbers against Alabama and going 1-1 against them. It means nothing in terms of pro success. In fact the best pro QB to play Alabama in recent years was Dak Prescott and he struggled both times.

Lighting up Alabama's defense twice means NOTHING in the grand scheme. Those are still college players. And FTR, if we're going by NFL success, Alabama isn't the best college program. That would be LSU that has consistently had more players in the NFL.

 

[Swagnificent]

Manziel did

Chad Kelly as well. And all 3 went 1-1 against Alabama. People just remember Watson's performances more because they happened in consecutive national championship games.

Lighting up Alabama's defense as a college QB doesn't really mean you'll have NFL success.

 

[Swagnificent]

stereotyping. Prove that Watson is a single read QB

Watch the games. Texans are basically running the RG3 rookie year offense.

 

[Swagnificent]

When’s Kizer gonna have success?

Never.

He got the eyes of a p*ssy.

His career is already a wrap.

 

[Swagnificent]

Watson ain’t a single read QB and Bill O’brien is the perfect coach to continue to mold him into a complete passer.

I know nikkas want black QBs to succeed but Watson is not the one to bank on. He's destined to fail like RG3 and Vince Young.

Guys like Watson with all that college success NEVER do well for a sustained period of time in the NFL. They typically start off hot like RG3 and VY and then flame out rather quickly.

Watson will not be a great QB for very long. Expect him to struggle mightily after this year.

 

[mikishere]

Philadelphia is 5-1

Wentz is a single read QB?

 

[Swagnificent]

Single read qb is code for black athletic qb.

That's typically what cacs mean. But in this case he's right about Watson. He's not really running a typical NFL playbook right now. Texans have dumbed it down to what RG3 did in his rookie year.

I wasn't high on Watson coming into the league because I didn't think he could play in a typical NFL offense and threw accurately in the intermediate range. He had nice accuracy on deep passes and short routes. But he struggled in the more typical intermediate routes in an normal NFL playbook. If you watch the Texans you'll see they dumbed down the playbook a ton. He's mostly throwing off play-action or in the shotgun. And there's typically a fake to the run on every pass play to force the linebackers to freeze. And its usually one read or a half field read.

Now there's nothing wrong with this. Most teams do this when they have young QBs. But it is not sustainable. We'll see if Watson can master the sorts of things he didn't do in college in terms of intermediate routes and doing more than just half-field reads with a run fake to drawn in the defense.

 

[Hollywood Co]

I know nikkas want black QBs to succeed but Watson is not the one to bank on. He's destined to fail like RG3 and Vince Young.

Guys like Watson with all that college success NEVER do well for a sustained period of time in the NFL. They typically start off hot like RG3 and VY and then flame out rather quickly.

Watson will not be a great QB for very long. Expect him to struggle mightily after this year.

Watson is a better passer than both of those dudes. He actually has the tools to be a good passer and he’s not nearly as athletic as VY or RG3 was. Y’all need to watch the players before you make statements.

 

[Swagnificent]

I see somebody is mad that Watson is lighting it up while Kizer lost his job to generic white QB.

Watson just following the legacy of Vince Young and RG3.

Killer rookie year then fades to nothing.

I think Watson will be better than those guys after this year. But he ain't no savior at Houston. He's at best gonna be an average starter.

 

[Hollywood Co]

That's typically what cacs mean. But in this case he's right about Watson. He's not really running a typical NFL playbook right now. Texans have dumbed it down to what RG3 did in his rookie year.

I wasn't high on Watson coming into the league because I didn't think he could play in a typical NFL offense and threw accurately in the intermediate range. He had nice accuracy on deep passes and short routes. But he struggled in the more typical intermediate routes in an normal NFL playbook. If you watch the Texans you'll see they dumbed down the playbook a ton. He's mostly throwing off play-action or in the shotgun. And there's typically a fake to the run on every pass play to force the linebackers to freeze. And its usually one read or a half field read.

Now there's nothing wrong with this. Most teams do this when they have young QBs. But it is not sustainable. We'll see if Watson can master the sorts of things he didn't do in college in terms of intermediate routes and doing more than just half-field reads with a run fake to drawn in the defense.

Everything that Waston is running is out of the zone running scheme. Play action is a main cog of that scheme. He’s a taylor made West Coast QB and you didn’t watch him at Clemson because he did indeed succeed at the intermediate throws and those throws were mainly to Hunter Renfrow.

 

[Swagnificent]

Watson is a better passer than both of those dudes. He actually has the tools to be a good passer and he’s not nearly as athletic as VY or RG3 was. Y’all need to watch the players before you make statements.

I don't think Watson has good passing tools at all. His arm strength is mediocre. Nothing really special about it. And his accuracy on the all important intermediate routes that help gets you wins on 3rd down is TERRIBLE. He has a decent deep ball and has been lucky this year because Will Fuller and Deandre Hopkins have pulled down a bunch of those heaves to give him his inflated stats so far.

I've watched 3-4 of his games thus far. The only thing that has really impressed me is his athleticism. You say he's not as athletic as VY or RG3. Maybe in terms of the combine you are right. But when I watch him play, he has more functional football athleticism than RG3. RG3 was a track star who had great straight line speed. But in terms of football speed when it comes to making people miss and cutting, he actually was not very good. Its why he had so many injuries.

Watson is most like Vince Young but with slightly better passing ability on the deep ball and less running ability because of his smaller size.