Where do you think Game of Thrones went wrong?

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

Although most people blame season 7 and 8 for GOT not being the GOAT, I've always felt that the show went down hill around season 5 or so. Focusing on the high septum/sparrows, Dorne, and the bullshyt going on with Daenerys really set back the show. To me they killed off Joffrey and Tywin too soon. They should have waited another season. I know it's based on the books but I still think they should have done that differently. The show really struggled with having a main villain after Tywin was killed. Ramsey filled a great role for the Stark Arc, but there was no more true threat with the Lannisters that gave the show its main drive.

 

[ciubaca]

When the books ran out duh...

 

[Xtraz2]

All that white walker corny special effects shyt

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

All that white walker corny special effects shyt

Yeah this was also an issue. I did not care for that story arc.

 

[Tasha And]

Cutting the real plots, conflicts, and characters from books 4 and 5 and then crying about running out of material.

Or alternatively, letting Benioff And Weiss have a writing room that consisted of nothing but them and their assistants.

 

[Rekkapryde]

When the books ran out duh...

 

[Jax]

Jon Snow not fighting the Night King, no one major dying in that fight also.
Dany turning psycho out the blue, she might've been arsh before but she had a good heart. She or Jon Snow should've ruled the 7 kingdoms.
Bran fukk outta here.

 

[O.Red]

I typed a long ass post about it in the main thread but in short

The first domino was the writers clear biases, mainly in regards to Tyrion

Tyrion is who he is largely because of what happened to his first wife Tysha. This situation draws a straight line to him killing Tywin. In the show they tried to have it both ways and make it about Shae but in the books Tyrion knew Shae never loved him and was only playing a role for money. Tysha and Tyrion were truly in love with each other

Also changing it from the book to where Tyrion kills Shae in self defense murders the character. They did this so that Tyrion didn't look like such a bad person for killing Shae, while in the books Tyrion literally murders Shae in a bloody rage.

After this Tyrion goes down a path of cynicism and self loathing that is not portrayed in the show. Throwing whole chunks of characterization away like that is how by season 8 he's just a paperweight repeating old lines for fan service

There are more biases(their love for Cersei and their hate for Stannis the most obvious) but the beginning of the end of this shows integrity started with Tyrion

 

[O.Red]

Jon Snow not fighting the Night King, no one major dying in that fight also.
Dany turning psycho out the blue, she might've been arsh before but she had a good heart. She or Jon Snow should've ruled the 7 kingdoms.
Bran fukk outta here.

Although I completely understand why people are mad at Mad Queen Dany I think there's a bit of unfairness on it

The writers definitely blew it BUT

I think there's a macro reason why Dany's change appears to be "out of the blue"

Dany throws nikkas off guard because they're so used to female characters talking and behaving the way she did, which was GRRMs point in writing Dany in the first place. She's meant to be a subversion of the type of characters girls and women love to read about

With nikkas guards down they failed to discern that Dany BEEN an a$$hole since at least season 3 she became increasingly indulgent and selfish. And she had some cases that justified her anger. But you don't get a nikka back like THAT

A good trick to notice in fiction is when a character starts going "I I I,me me me. I am this. I'M gonna do that" Characters that talk like that become VILLAINS my nikka. Juxtapose that with Jon, the reluctant hero. Another common trope

D&D's selfishness and eventual laziness ruined the Dany arc, but her becoming what she was wasn't as "out of the blue" as nikkas think

 

[hex]

When the books ran out duh...

People say this but it's not true.

Some of the best received episodes ("Hardhome", "The Door", "The Winds Of Winter") had nothing to do with the books.

Fred.

 

[O.Red]

People say this but it's not true.

Some of the best received episodes ("Hardhome", "The Door", "The Winds Of Winter") had nothing to do with the books.

Fred.

Exactly

This is always the easy answer but there's deeper layers

I'm TELLING y'all nikkas character biases ruined the show

D&D subverted a story rooted in subversion, which 180'd characters back to common tropes

 

[hex]

Exactly

This is always the easy answer but there's deeper layers

I'm TELLING y'all nikkas character biases ruined the show
D&D subverted a story rooted in subversion, which 180'd characters back to common tropes

It's funny you said this because if I remember correctly this is the reason the writers had Arya kill The Night King.

Fred.

 

[O.Red]

It's funny you said this because if I remember correctly this is the reason the writers had Arya kill The Night King.

Fred.

I never heard this but I believe it

And it's not just GOT its a problem with all corporate fiction.

Oh this character is a fan favorite??? Ok we gotta clean them up

We saw it happen with Loki

But the point of a story like GOT is the dichotomy of all these characters

Jamie was fortunate to have a true arc but Tyrion

 

[beenz]

GoT never went wrong. the problem is george rr martin didn't finish that last book, which forced HBO's hand in having to write the shows on their own. that is why it turned into a clusterfukk at the end.

 

[beenz]

Although most people blame season 7 and 8 for GOT not being the GOAT, I've always felt that the show went down hill around season 5 or so. Focusing on the high septum/sparrows, Dorne, and the bullshyt going on with Daenerys really set back the show. To me they killed off Joffrey and Tywin too soon. They should have waited another season. I know it's based on the books but I still think they should have done that differently. The show really struggled with having a main villain after Tywin was killed. Ramsey filled a great role for the Stark Arc, but there was no more true threat with the Lannisters that gave the show its main drive.

I'll say this once again, but joffrey was a GOAT level on that show. the greatest villain, and one of my favorite characters on there cuz of all of his fukkery and his delusions of grandeur. I really wish his run lasted longer