Which is more worse: Labels buying albums or corporate radio?

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So McDonald's buying up Big Mac Meals and 20 piece nuggets? :ohhh: Over a billion served my ass! :pacspit:
 

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Can someone provide proof, like a smoking gun that labels buy albums. Not some third party source. A real expose in a journal with credibility.

Don't really need proof it's just logical and IMO common sense. If you owned a company and wanted to "look good" wouldn't you jump out there and buy 100k of your product during opening week to make that shyt look like "it's the thing to have"?

During Christmas you don't see muthafukas fighting over shyt that clutters the shelves, they're looking for that shyt that ain't on the shelf. Why you think stupid shyt like Furbies come out of nowhere to fly off the shelf for one HOLIDAY season and then are gone after Christmas? shyt is all fabricated hype.
 

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Don't really need proof it's just logical and IMO common sense. If you owned a company and wanted to "look good" wouldn't you jump out there and buy 100k of your product during opening week to make that shyt look like "it's the thing to have"?

During Christmas you don't see muthafukas fighting over shyt that clutters the shelves, they're looking for that shyt that ain't on the shelf. Why you think stupid shyt like Furbies come out of nowhere to fly off the shelf for one HOLIDAY season and then are gone after Christmas? shyt is all fabricated hype.

The average CD is $10. So it would cost at least 1,000,000 dollars to inflate sales by 100k, which would do nothing in this climate. Do you really think these labels are spending at least $1,000,000 on a gambit that may not even work?
 

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Can someone provide proof, like a smoking gun that labels buy albums. Not some third party source. A real expose in a journal with credibility.

watch somebody bring up the Master P shyt about him double scanning records :aicmon:
 

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The average CD is $10. So it would cost at least 1,000,000 dollars to inflate sales by 100k, which would do nothing in this climate. Do you really think these labels are spending at least $1,000,000 on a gambit that may not even work?

You really think a label buying their own album has to pay retail price for it? Those numbers are based on SHIPPED copies, most of the "big" labels own companies that print and ship their music so it won't cost them shyt...or better yet they buy the copies at a discounted rate and then write the shyt off on their taxes as a business expense at the end of the year.
 

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Lol @ it just makes sense without having any proof. It does NOT make sense cause motherfukkers that do not blog don't follow sales like that. I could go ask 50 people in my REAL LIFE (not on rap blogs) and NONE of them will know drakes first week sales. Not one. A very very small group of people that blog on rap sites follow sales like that, and those are people typically looking for DL links.

At least paying for radio spins makes sense cause people will be like oh yea I hear that song all day. If you ask the average person if and why drake is popular they will say yes because they hear his songs on the radio (and maybe how big his social media presence is). They WILL NOT say he is popular cause he sold 681,000 copies in the USA first week.

Labels buying albums makes no business sense at all. So unless you have some real proof (not some random third party claim) your argument remains just an excuse for salty bloggers
 

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Record companies being slick with distribution by playing inventory games with big retail chains and also purchasing albums for big release artist

or

Clear Channel, Radio One, Ennis etc having the same 10-15 songs play nationally regardless of which region the music coming from (not to mention being involved in the remaining major labels promo budgets)

Which is worse?

iTunes is the largest music retailer

So what inventory scams are you referring too?

Don't really need proof it's just logical and IMO common sense. If you owned a company and wanted to "look good" wouldn't you jump out there and buy 100k of your product during opening week to make that shyt look like "it's the thing to have"?

During Christmas you don't see muthafukas fighting over shyt that clutters the shelves, they're looking for that shyt that ain't on the shelf. Why you think stupid shyt like Furbies come out of nowhere to fly off the shelf for one HOLIDAY season and then are gone after Christmas? shyt is all fabricated hype.
I'm pretty sure this is illegal

Also pointless
 

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Lol @ it just makes sense without having any proof. It does NOT make sense cause motherfukkers that do not blog don't follow sales like that. I could go ask 50 people in my REAL LIFE (not on rap blogs) and NONE of them will know drakes first week sales. Not one. A very very small group of people that blog on rap sites follow sales like that, and those are people typically looking for DL links.

At least paying for radio spins makes sense cause people will be like oh yea I hear that song all day. If you ask the average person if and why drake is popular they will say yes because they hear his songs on the radio (and maybe how big his social media presence is). They WILL NOT say he is popular cause he sold 681,000 copies in the USA first week.

Labels buying albums makes no business sense at all. So unless you have some real proof (not some random third party claim) your argument remains just an excuse for salty bloggers


Once it's released to the public people do know and hear about this. When a movie does well in the first week people talk about it, it blasted all over radio and on tv, movie does well the second week because of it. The same is done with music, people like you and I don't pay that shyt any attention because we get the music early anyway AND DON'T CARE ABOUT SALES but the general consensus of the World has to have what everyone else has.
 

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[quote="CrimsonTider, post: 5562659, member: 17"
I'm pretty sure this is illegal

Also pointless[/quote]

Buying radio spins (Payolla) is also illegal but it happens. I don't know if it's illegal but what would make it illegal? It could be used in a legal loophole as marketing or some shyt.

Seriously how many albums did Jay sell first week? I think he did 500k and you mean to tell me muthafukas is outselling that or coming close without some sort of help. I don't even rock with Camel like that but dude is the single most recognizable face in hip hop outside of Wayne and Em, anyone coming close to those numbers and they're getting help from somewhere...sorry I just have to believe it.
 

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General public doesn't follow sales market enough tho to know the difference between "600k" and "700k" to them either is just a big number. Your claim lacks the strong logical backbone it would need without actually having proof. So post some proof
 

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[quote="CrimsonTider, post: 5562659, member: 17"
I'm pretty sure this is illegal

Also pointless

Buying radio spins (Payolla) is also illegal but it happens. I don't know if it's illegal but what would make it illegal? It could be used in a legal loophole as marketing or some shyt.

Seriously how many albums did Jay sell first week? I think he did 500k and you mean to tell me muthafukas is outselling that or coming close without some sort of help. I don't even rock with Camel like that but dude is the single most recognizable face in hip hop outside of Wayne and Em, anyone coming close to those numbers and they're getting help from somewhere...sorry I just have to believe it.[/quote]
Man, you buy your own product and recorded as revenue?

That's illegal and it makes no sense
 

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Buying radio spins (Payolla) is also illegal but it happens. I don't know if it's illegal but what would make it illegal? It could be used in a legal loophole as marketing or some shyt.

Seriously how many albums did Jay sell first week? I think he did 500k and you mean to tell me muthafukas is outselling that or coming close without some sort of help. I don't even rock with Camel like that but dude is the single most recognizable face in hip hop outside of Wayne and Em, anyone coming close to those numbers and they're getting help from somewhere...sorry I just have to believe it.
Man, you buy your own product and recorded as revenue?

That's illegal and it makes no sense[/quote]


Like I said legal loopholes or fukk it, buy it at the discounted rate, GIVE THEM AWAY and then write it off on your taxes as donations or charity? I know you don't think these companies don't have shady practices.

NFL does this every year come playoff time, why you think the losing teams shirts, hats or whatever is never seen except in those pictures from other countries? That shyt is pressed up and purchased from whoever (Nike at this time) and when the team loses they send that shyt overseas to other countries and then write that shyt off at the end of the year.
 

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Yeah I never really bought the claim about labels buying albums. shyt doesn't make sense and no credible source has ever exposed it or said that it's true.
 

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Man, you buy your own product and recorded as revenue?

That's illegal and it makes no sense


Like I said legal loopholes or fukk it, buy it at the discounted rate, GIVE THEM AWAY and then write it off on your taxes as donations or charity? I know you don't think these companies don't have shady practices.

NFL does this every year come playoff time, why you think the losing teams shirts, hats or whatever is never seen except in those pictures from other countries? That shyt is pressed up and purchased from whoever (Nike at this time) and when the team loses they send that shyt overseas to other countries and then write that shyt off at the end of the year.[/quote]

They make the apparel and then ship it to a third world country before it is ever available to purchase

Buying something that you are selling is illegal and there is NO benefit in doing it.
 
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