Which of the last 11 Western Conference champs could last year's Warriors beat in a 7 game series?

Warriors over?

  • 14-Spurs

    Votes: 6 9.8%
  • 13-Spurs

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • 12-Thunder

    Votes: 16 26.2%
  • 11-Mavs

    Votes: 10 16.4%
  • 10-Lakers

    Votes: 4 6.6%
  • 09-Lakers

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • 08-Lakers

    Votes: 2 3.3%
  • 07-Spurs

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • 06-Mavs

    Votes: 15 24.6%
  • 05-Spurs

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 04-Lakers

    Votes: 5 8.2%

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SchoolboyC

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People more salty about the Warriors winning than when the Heat won back to back :russ:

Maybe not as much, but you can still taste the salt

I thought the Warriors would be everyone's favorite team since they beat Lebron, and they give Steph's daughter national attention :jbhmm:

Warriors defied some of the biggest Coli basketball narratives

"Jump shooting teams don't win"
"Small ball is overrated"
"Analytics are for geeks and don't really matter"
"Teams built around PG's don't win"

And then you have the Laker fans that are bitter because they're no longer the top dogs in Cali, the Rocket fans bitter cause they got sonned, the Clipper & Spurs fans bitter because they for some reason think they would've won even though they both embarrassed themselves in earlier rounds

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Maybe 08 Lakers or 06 Mavs, that's about it. They have a shot at most of the other teams, but those are the only 2 I'd take them over if I was betting.
 

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Let's take the 07 Spurs for example -

You're telling me that both Bogut and Green rotating, can't handle Duncan with the combination of wing/guards sending help?
You're telling me that a broken down Horry, whose defense and offense was basically non-existent that season was going to deter Iggy?
You're gonna put their best defender on Barnes, and not assign him to Curry or Klay?
You're telling me that Manu is gonna chase Klay constantly around the halfcourt, navigating and fighting through screens?
You're telling me Tony is gonna be able to stop Steph from going off for 30+?

one of the posters specifically said small ball. My post was in response to that. Bogut does not factor into "small ball"
But i will answer your questions.

1. No, 07 Duncan was top 10 in the L, no way bogut or green is stopping him.
2. Iggy is a non factor offensively, hence him being left open in the finals 90% of the time. Pop will live with iggy taking open shots.
3. I was just going by positional small ball matchups. I referenced how parker and steph would rarely guard eachother, they would "hide" on the weakest perimeter player on either team
4. younger manu yes. Your telling me klay is going to chase manu around screens and be able to guard him one on one in his prime?
5. your telling me steph is going to stop tony from dropping 30? Like i said they wouldn't be guarding eachother. Either bowen, leonard, or green would guard steph, while iggy or klay would have the assignment guarding tony
 

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14-Spurs
13-Spurs
12-Thunder
11-Mavericks
10-Lakers
09-Lakers
08-Lakers
07-Spurs
06-Mavs
05-Spurs
04-Lakers

Only going back to 2004 and only West teams not gonna bother with the East although we can throw in the Wade/Bron/Bosh Heat squads too

But which of those teams could last year's Warriors squad beat in a series?

I wanna see where people go with this, I know a lot of people feel like GS's title run was fugazi and

Off first glance the only teams I can see them beating are the 2012 Thunder squad with KD/Russ/Harden (that series would be :wow:)or the 2011 Mavs squad but I really dont see Draymond or Bogut stopping Super Saiyan Dirk for 7 games
08 Celtics >
 

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Do you only read parts of posts that suit your argument? Why did you skip over this?

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"You still haven't answer my question - who would guard Curry/Thompson/Iggy/Barnes on that 2007 squad? How quickly we forget that Barnes took advantage of whoever was on him in the '13 postseason against SA. Whether it was Parker (too big and strong) or Diaw/4 (too slow) - he averaged 17 ppg in that series."

Barnes scoring wouldn't be the difference in a series. If he's scoring 17+ and klay and steph are limited then pop will consider it a win win.

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A lot of people are using starting lineups as the barometer, but one of the Warriors greatest strength was their depth and speed. They wear teams out. Of that list, only the 14/13 Spurs and the 2008-2010 Lakers have the inside presence and depth to put up a good fight in a 7 game series, in my opinion. The Warriors guards would eat really well against those teams though.
 

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People more salty about the Warriors winning than when the Heat won back to back :russ:

Maybe not as much, but you can still taste the salt

I thought the Warriors would be everyone's favorite team since they beat Lebron, and they give Steph's daughter national attention :jbhmm:
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1. No, 07 Duncan was top 10 in the L, no way bogut or green is stopping him.
Nobody said anything about stopping Duncan. However, Green has the ability to shift him out of position on post ups (in closer proximity to help defense), limit him from developing constant rhythm, and is disciplined enough to not be baited into fouling or falling into the trap of being scored upon from counters on every possession. Question is, would Duncan fold out on defense when he's suppose to anchor the paint when Green is spotting up for 3? Would he leave him open to shoot every time? Who's going to be guarding the paint, when either Barnes is backing down his man in the post or Iggy driving to the hole, or Klay getting an easy cut to the basket when he shakes his man off multiple screens? Or Curry splitting the double team and finding room in the lane, or by simple breaking Parker off the dribble?

Does Duncan swarm Curry on every PNR, or does he live with the consequences of leaving him open?
2. Iggy is a non factor offensively, hence him being left open in the finals 90% of the time. Pop will live with iggy taking open shots.
This is nonsense, don't simply go by what occurred in the Finals as reasoning behind him being a non-factor offensively. He's still a solid playmaker, still able to put the ball on the floor and finish at the rim and is a competent 3-pt shooter. What's funny about you suggesting this, is the fact despite him being a non-factor he still averaged 16 points on 50% shooting in the Finals. If one was willing to let Iggy take open shots, surely you have to consider that possibility of him providing equal production of a Parker and Manu, don't you not?
3. I was just going by positional small ball matchups. I referenced how parker and steph would rarely guard eachother, they would "hide" on the weakest perimeter player on either team
Then who exactly would Parker guard?
4. younger manu yes. Your telling me klay is going to chase manu around screens and be able to guard him one on one in his prime?
2007 Manu isn't chasing around Klay, at all. That's what Bowen was for, Manu was hardly ever active on defense to the degree where he'd stick to player wherever he went in the halfcourt. He more often than not had the tendency to help off players, leaving his man - which resulted in a breakdown on defense - into a more probable shot. He's a passing lanes type defender, not a chase-a-player-around-a-hunnid-picks type defender.

He was never going to exert that much energy on defense. Klay could easily handle Manu in 2007 and 2005, a lot less easier than Manu trying to stop a 21+ PPG scorer, who's also a top-5 3-pt shooter of all time. This matchup would be reliant upon Klay not shrinking under the bright lights, more than anything Manu could do on the defensive end.
5. your telling me steph is going to stop tony from dropping 30? Like i said they wouldn't be guarding eachother.
When the fukk has Tony shown the ability to score to the same degree as Curry? 2005/2007 Parker isn't fukking with Curry on any level. At all.
Either bowen, leonard, or green would guard steph, while iggy or klay would have the assignment guarding tony
Wait, wait, wait. Hold the fukk up. How the hell are you grouping these three players as if they played together? We're talking about the mid-00s Spurs, more specifically the 2007 Spurs. Leonard and Green have no relevance to this. If you're putting Bowen on Curry, then would the Spurs manage to contain this Warriors small ball offense, when you have players like Iggy and Barnes who can score close to 20 on respectable percentages against favorable matchups?

Plus let's not act like Bowen by himself would be able to limit Curry, especially without the aid of help defense and inexperience dealing with the greatest 3-pt shooter. Which is another thing you must take into account - the Spurs inexperience as a unit against an offense similar to the 2014/15 Warriors. It'd take them at least a few games to become familiar with how to defend them, by that time it might be too late to regain ground in a series.

Here's the heavy advantage the Warriors would have with matchups:

Either Iggy or Klay can guard Parker and stop him one-on-one - Draymond with help defense
Either Klay, Iggy or Barnes can guard Manu and stop him one-on-one
Either Klay, Iggy or Barnes can guard Bowen and stop him one-one-one
Either Draymond, Iggy or Barnes can guard Horry, whose offensive game was non-existent at that point (this is where Curry comes into play)
Draymond can handle and limit Duncan, to a degree where he isn't sacrificing too much momentum.

Not only do the Warriors haver better and more versatile defenders, but they also have more scoring threats in small ball lineups:

Curry can score 30+
Klay can score 20-30
Iggy can score 20-25
Barnes can score 15-20
 
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Barnes scoring wouldn't be the difference in a series. If he's scoring 17+ and klay and steph are limited then pop will consider it a win win.

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Excuse me? How wouldn't he be the difference? If he's providing equal production to Manu (Barnes averaged 17 ppg on 43% against the Spurs - Manu averaged 16 points on 40% shooting in the 2007 postseason - series-high of 17.8 ppg on 41%), Iggy is chipping in with close to 15, Klay is around 20 and Curry is getting 25+ - how wouldn't he be the determining factor? You've got four scoring threats who can score 15 upwards with Curry peaking at 30+. How would Pop consider that a "win win", when his players wouldn't be able to replicate the same?
 
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A lot of people are using starting lineups as the barometer, but one of the Warriors greatest strength was their depth and speed. They wear teams out. Of that list, only the 14/13 Spurs and the 2008-2010 Lakers have the inside presence and depth to put up a good fight in a 7 game series, in my opinion. The Warriors guards would eat really well against those teams though.
Yeah these are the only teams that I see with a decent shot too. They also have the personnel to defend the Warriors lineups - Kawhi/Green/Duncan and Kobe/Ariza/Artest/Pau.
 

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Nobody said anything about stopping Duncan. However, Green has the ability to shift him out of position on post ups (in closer proximity to help defense), limit him from developing constant rhythm, and is disciplined enough to not be baited into fouling or falling into the trap of being scored upon from counters on every possession. Question is, would Duncan fold out on defense when he's suppose to anchor the paint when Green is spotting up for 3? Would he leave him open to shoot every time? Who's going to be guarding the paint, when either Barnes is backing down his man in the post or Iggy driving to the hole, or Klay getting an easy cut to the basket when he shakes his man off multiple screens? Or Curry splitting the double team and finding room in the lane, or by simple breaking Parker off the dribble?

Green can shoot as many 3's as he wants. Pop will tell Duncan to trap or hedge those curry pick and rolls and live with green making decisions with the basketball. He would anchor the paint. Again i can't see green bothering duncan at all. The only players i ever seen give duncan problems was malone in 04 (bigger and stronger then green) and sheed (longer and more athletic then green) in 05. Duncan literally has a 7 inch height advantage and 10-15 pounds of weight. I don't see effectively stopping him IMO. Barnes and Iggy can do their thing offensively, the point is stopping steph and limiting klay.



Does Duncan swarm Curry on every PNR, or does he live with the consequences of leaving him open?


Swarm, Hedge, whatever, get the ball out of his hands depending on who he's running P&R with. If it's green let green be open at the top of the key. He's a below average 3pt shooter so he can shoot 10 a game. Pop will smile and take it. Green is seriously overrated on this site.


This is nonsense, don't simply go by what occurred in the Finals as reasoning behind him being a non-factor offensively. He's still a solid playmaker, still able to put the ball on the floor and finish at the rim and is a competent 3-pt shooter. What's funny about you suggesting this, is the fact despite him being a non-factor he still averaged 16 points on 50% shooting in the Finals. If one was willing to let Iggy take open shots, surely you have to consider that possibility of him providing equal production of a Parker and Manu, don't you not?

I don't respect his playmaking enough to let it alter my gameplan. Again, he shot 50% while taking 90% of his shots being wide open. Is that really good??? No one guarded him. He shouda shot 60-70% from the field. Again let iggy eat at the expense of curry not exploding for 30-40 a game. Iggy was a free throw liability so you can put him on the line when he drives.

Then who exactly would Parker guard?

I'll put him on iggy and tell him to soft close and give up the 3. Don't let him go to the hoop. If he post tony up, let him shoot at will. It's not going to beat you 4 times in 7 games. Pop would be estatic if iggy was featured trying to backdown and score on tony.


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i think you're overrating the offensive capabilities of both iggy and barnes. Like i said, pop would elect them to score instead of klat and steph combining for 70 a game.
 

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People are talking about who gonna stop iggy and barnes offensively :mjlol:

harrison barnes averaged 9 points (i rounded up) on 42% shooting in the finals.

Iggy was left open all series.
This. This. This.

If fukking Harrison Barnes or Iguodala or bum ass Draymond Green can score enough points to beat my team in a seven game series then they deserve to win

Can you imagine the coaches sitting around the table freaking out talmbout "How we gone guard Draymond?!" "He gone drop 50 on us!!!" :damn: :mjlol:
 

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This. This. This.

If fukking Harrison Barnes or Iguodala or bum ass Draymond Green can score enough points to beat my team in a seven game series then they deserve to win

Can you imagine the coaches sitting around the table freaking out talmbout "How we gone guard Draymond?!" "He gone drop 50 on us!!!" :damn: :mjlol:

Dude thinking harrison barnes is the second coming of dominique wilkins and iggy with his "playmkaing" is prime tmac

:mjlol:

shyt is absurd
 
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Yeah these are the only teams that I see with a decent shot too. They also have the personnel to defend the Warriors lineups - Kawhi/Green/Duncan and Kobe/Ariza/Artest/Pau.
you mean Kobe/Odom/Ariza/Pau/Bynum. Pau and Bynum too much size out there then you bring in Odom off the bench
 
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