White House sanctions Russia over hacks

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It's not about defending Russia..it's about being purposefully ....*cough* misinformed about events and situation..

In 2003, a similar event and situation occurred where we were told Iraq had WMDs, and Dubya and the MSM made it seem ridiculous to "protect" Iraq. Yet, critics weren't "protecting" Iraq, they were looking/waiting to see validation to *cough*...preemptively engage a country that hasn't attacked the U.S. and there is no proof of any such weapons. They even had the U.N. inspectors go to these sites where the WMDs were supposedly located and the inspectors said there was nothing of concern at these sites. Yet, the U.S. still started a preemptive strike into the country, and within a few months.........no WMDs were found as was already shown.

So where is the proof Russia hacked anything, besides word of mouth?? We've already seen this siit show and it was mainly liberals complaining in 2003...now that a liberal is in office, the liberals want to trust but not verify. Very hypocritical and full of shiit stance.

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Apples and Oranges.

There were indeed no WMDs nor was there any real proof that they existed but what makes these two situations different is, there was an actual hack. Whether Russia was solely involved is a legit question but you can't dismiss it because a different administration with a different agenda led you astray before.
 

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At first glance this looks like a shrewd move by Obama to box in both Trump and Russia but lets think about it for a second.

Trump and Putin want peace with each other. If their administrations are successful, there's some mutual benefit. If Trump could strike a major bilateral accord with Putin, it would probably be seen as one of the great peace deals since the end of the Cold War. Trump could hang his hat on a major foreign policy accomplishment.

Obviously accords like that involve give and take. Trump can be like :manny: those sanctions were already in place. I'll take them off but only if you give us X when we're signing our big treaty that is going to make us all look great and hopefully ensure world peace. If he can pull it off, it could be yuuuge, bigly.

Remember, Russia isn't inherently evil. They're only "evil" because they don't bow to our every wish.

Incorrect. Fool me once, shame on you (Russian restart), Fool me twice, shame on me (Russian Hacking)
 

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That's not what I'm saying. I agree with Russia being sanctioned. I agree that peace deals are a matter of give and take, but you generally broker peace deals with nations you are having armed conflicts with. That is not the case with Russia. They are clearly in the wrong here, that's like finding out some dude punched your momma in the face and then you go and say to him, "I know you punched my momma but I want peace...so what do I have to give up so that you don't punch her again?"

No leader worth his salt would ever agree to something like that. Hell, Russia still hasn't even fessed up to the fact that they did anything wrong.

1. We're probably not faultless.

2. Even if we are, how do you justify the Iran deal then?

3. You don't always make a peace deal when you've done wrong. Sometimes it's just an agreement to get a country to stop doing stuff you don't like or to work towards a common goal.
 

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Apples and Oranges.

There were indeed no WMDs nor was there any real proof that they existed but what makes these two situations different is, there was an actual hack. Whether Russia was solely involved is a legit question but you can't dismiss it because a different administration with a different agenda led you astray before.

Basically you saying, trust but not verify.
Show me an official document explaining a Russian hack of the election or regarding the election. :sas2:
 

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1. We're probably not faultless.

2. Even if we are, how do you justify the Iran deal then?

3. You don't always make a peace deal when you've done wrong. Sometimes it's just an agreement to get a country to stop doing stuff you don't like or to work towards a common goal.
what are you talking about?
 

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At first glance this looks like a shrewd move by Obama to box in both Trump and Russia but lets think about it for a second.

Trump and Putin want peace with each other. If their administrations are successful, there's some mutual benefit. If Trump could strike a major bilateral accord with Putin, it would probably be seen as one of the great peace deals since the end of the Cold War. Trump could hang his hat on a major foreign policy accomplishment.

Obviously accords like that involve give and take. Trump can be like :manny: those sanctions were already in place. I'll take them off but only if you give us X when we're signing our big treaty that is going to make us all look great and hopefully ensure world peace. If he can pull it off, it could be yuuuge, bigly.

Remember, Russia isn't inherently evil. They're only "evil" because they don't bow to our every wish.

Peace with Russia will likely come at the expense of NATO:francis:
 

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I don't see war coming from this.

If you are worried about wars or attacks then you should hope Trump apologizes on banning muslims because that probably offended most countries in the middle east. Don't be surprised if they do something to the US once Trump is sworn in.
No one saw war coming from the Sudeten crisis, or the assassination of a Hapsburg archduke...

Continued terrorism is guaranteed for the foreseeable future regardless of who is president.
 

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Hope Trump removes all those dumb ass Russian sanctons the US imposed.
I want AK prices low again.
If he could kill that NRA backed ban on gun imports that would be great
 

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Call our friends in Riyadh and tell them to keep pumping so oil stays below $50 bbl for another few years and Russia will be starving.

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Low oil doesn't just hurt Russia.
 

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No one saw war coming from the Sudeten crisis, or the assassination of a Hapsburg archduke...

Continued terrorism is guaranteed for the foreseeable future regardless of who is president.
The reason Russia won't go to war with the US is because Putin knows that Trump is taking office in 3 weeks. Why go to war with a country that is soon going to be ran by his friend?
 

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Remember, Russia isn't inherently evil. They're only "evil" because they don't bow to our every wish.

I strongly disagree. A country which has been ruled by the former head of the Soviet KGB for the last 15 plus years. A country which murders civilians without batting an eye. A country which encroaches on sovereign nations for land grabs, and the list goes on. If there is one inherently evil country, it's Russia. The world as a whole will never be safe as long as Russia continues the f*** shyt
 
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