White Nationalism, the Working Class, and Organized Labor

[null]

Organized labor in America is a tool of white supremacy... always has been.
Lefties/progressives want it to be one way(like in EU)... but...

They do?

 

[Strapped]

Labor unions , all the trades is who represents the teabaggers

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

smh. Threads like this is why classism flourishes and is more dangerous than other isms because it goes undetected while hindering progress in addressing other isms

After the civil war, it was southerners rightfully leading the way against northern plutocracy/corporatism...fastward, the congressional changes advocated for by the wategate babies didn't include continual pressure against monopolies/concentrated power and wealth

 

[ogc163]

smh. Threads like this is why classism flourishes and is more dangerous than other isms because it goes undetected while hindering progress in addressing other isms

After the civil war, it was southerners rightfully leading the way against northern plutocracy/corporatism...fastward, the congressional changes advocated for by the wategate babies didn't include continual pressure against monopolies/concentrated power and wealth

Can you please elaborate on the bolded.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Can you please elaborate on the bolded.

with history being an early warning system, proving that classism is a learned human flaw...I'd hope that the concluding paragraph would've reflected that but it instead encourages tolerance for a mindset that rationalize efforts to undermine entities upholding isms and efforts to regulate structural integrity as "competing interest." When the reality is one takes natural precedence over the other

their example of union workers' voting dilemma supports the efforts by both political parties to undermine unions by injecting identity politics so to blur from the need to regulate structural integrity. In this case that structure being society protecting unions and the union's process of endorsing candidates but it also applies to government/businesses/education/non-profits/communities/religion

As shown by Dr. King's honest/troubled conclusion about his efforts in leading people into a burning house...without structural integrity, your social activism will always be easily undermined (intentionally or not)

 

[ogc163]

When the reality is one takes natural precedence over the other

their example of union workers' voting dilemma supports the efforts by both political parties to undermine unions by injecting identity politics so to blur from the need to regulate structural integrity.

To clarify, you think classism takes precedence over racism?

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

To clarify, you think classism takes precedence over racism?

Yes. Broke folks in any movement to stop an ism has no influence, regardless of quality of ideas...rich investors set agendas/direction and gets caped for regardless if they uphold/violate the tenets of a movement

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Sounds good but those clowns in the working class who voted for trump in overwhelming numbers at the main ones who lost their jobs and are dying due to Trumps incompetence.. Let’s talk about it

Breh, that. does. not. matter.

Racial solidarity will ALWAYS be #1 with a growing number of white voters. People have been looking at this issue (the idea that they're voting against their interests) from the wrong perspective. Race to them is an issue as or even more important than financial security. We need to accept that and then we can properly respond.

 

[ogc163]

Yes. Broke folks in any movement to stop an ism has no influence, regardless of quality of ideas...rich investors set agendas/direction and gets caped for regardless if they uphold/violate the tenets of a movement

I don't agree that class should trump race--especially when whites have shown apathy, anger, or at best a lukewarm attitude when it comes to sharing class struggle benefits. In an ideal world whites would put their racism aside--but that is not the world we live in--and if classism is a learned behavior then so is racism. But that is not to say or imply we are always beholden to current attitudes and behaviors, however it's important to acknowledge social constraints. And so, Black people can hope that Whites will change while simultaneously playing the political and social capital game aware that they probably won't.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

I don't agree that class should trump race--especially when whites have shown apathy, anger, or at best a lukewarm attitude when it comes to sharing class struggle benefits. In an ideal world whites would put their racism aside--but that is not the world we live in--and if classism is a learned behavior then so is racism. But that is not to say or imply we are always beholden to current attitudes and behaviors, however it's important to acknowledge social constraints. And so, Black people can hope that Whites will change while simultaneously playing the political and social capital game aware that they probably won't.

You're right. The lukewarm attitude to shared class struggle is also learned behavior via racism, thus why it's important to acknowledge social constraints...but how do you address intragroup isms without undermining the progress made addressing intergroup isms?

In other words, how do you minimize/eliminate the impact of weaponized isms? by setting standards/principles/tenets that are immune to manipulation/fraud because there're beyond politics/social constraints.
These standards establishes consistency and accountability, which in turn establishes trust

 

[DEAD7]

You're right. The lukewarm attitude to shared class struggle is also learned behavior via racism, thus why it's important to acknowledge social constraints...but how do you address intragroup isms without undermining the progress made addressing intergroup isms?

In other words, how do you minimize/eliminate the impact of weaponized isms? by setting standards/principles/tenets that are immune to manipulation/fraud because there're beyond politics/social constraints.
These standards establishes consistency and accountability, which in turn establishes trust

Reparations

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Reparations

To be clear, I'm not talmbot the ism itself, which reparations would have profound impact against...but the use of the "existence of isms" to undermine progress OR manipulate

Spoiler: example

"because of white supremacy, don't worry about reparations during this election cycle"
"because of xenophobia, supporting strict borders against illegal immigration is anti-immigration"
"because I'm Black in America, I need to establish an uni-directional supportive relation with Black banks/businesses"

Back to the union worker example in OP...As an union worker, the existence/strength of a union takes precedence. It's counter productive to worry about if an endorsed candidate is a homophobe before confirming whether the candidate support his/her party's union busting efforts and learning what's the union's criteria for endorsing candidates

Spoiler

Classism exist in all the above examples but other isms don't. In each case, a person's tax bracket determines how much support/empathy/sympathy they'll get

 

[DEAD7]

Back to the union worker example in OP...As a black union worker, the existence/strength of a union takes precedence. It's counter productive to worry about if an endorsed candidate is a white supremacist before confirming whether the candidate support his/her party's union busting efforts and learning what's the union's criteria for endorsing candidates

Do you believe the above sentence remains true with the changes i've made?

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Do you believe the above sentence remains true with the changes i've made?

I'm not familiar with the changes made breh, you were anti-reparation before or something?

 

[DEAD7]

I'm not familiar with the changes made breh

Back to the union worker example in OP...As a black union worker, the existence/strength of a union takes precedence. It's counter productive to worry about if an endorsed candidate is a white supremacist before confirming whether the candidate support his/her party's union busting efforts and learning what's the union's criteria for endorsing candidates

The bold.