White People Didn't Steal Rock.

[MikeBrownsJob]

no, they're usually referring tot he fact that white bands would redo a song COMPLETELY, a 100%, no changes cover except whiter and less "threatening" to the average listener (at least in the eyes of the label heads & parents) so the black version of the song was ignored or people didn't even know it existed, therefore people didn't know of the talent that was around making these songs.

But that's not white people stealing lol and those songs were almost exclusively rockabilly tracks. By the 60's doo-wop replaced rockabilly with in popular black culture. It's like when you guys say that you completely ignore the historical events and culture of black people back then. I just posted about how Marley was at the lack of African American reception. Talk to people today and you would think we were always into him. We weren't. When he came to America black people were not into him as well as white people. It took Clapton to introduce him to white and black audiences.

 

[dennis roadman]

Rockabilly is a kind of rock music, though. And it wasn't stolen by whites, it was a blend of white and black music from the american south. and you could say both of these genres were already influenced by more than one culture, as the instruments were largely european and the rhythms african.

white people did steal original songs that were written by black people, or at the very least made popular in black communities, and make them "theirs", though.

but saying elvis or chuck berry are not rock n roll is like saying rapper's delight isn't a hip hop song because it was based on chic and british dance music

it is true however that jimi and bob had largely white audiences, although marley's case was intentional, as chris blackwell's vision of the wailers' worldwide fame rested on promoting them to white american college kids.

 

[retroracer]

So they were influenced. Lol That's an entirely different thing. Stole or stealing is implying that black people had ownership of the artform and white people came and took it out of their hands.

It's not influence when you use riffs and chord progressions that are exactly the same.

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

Future thread subject about HipHop
The reality is that if/when HipHop further branches into another form, that is heavily supported by non-blacks, then the same rational OP is pushing will be applied

Except Hip-hop is a culture as well as a music form that has been adopted by black people. Rock was NEVER A DOMINANT CULTURE IN BLACK CULTURE.

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

It's not influence when you use riffs and chord progressions that are exactly the same.

lol so they didn't get clearance for their samples? sounds like a popular and racist critique against hip/hop

 

[NvrCMyNut]

Rock can't be compared to Hiphop. Black people abandoned Rock music.

 

[retroracer]

lol so they didn't get clearance for their samples? sounds like a popular and racist critique against hip/hop

Stop being willfully ignorant just to try and win your argument.

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

Stop being willfully ignorant just to try and win your argument.

I'm not. It would just be foolish on a hip hop board to believe in that line of logic when hip-hop is largely based off of samples of songs.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Except Hip-hop is a culture as well as a music form that has been adopted by black people. Rock was NEVER A DOMINANT CULTURE IN BLACK CULTURE.

HipHop is suppose to be a culture, but it's not a culture when non-cultural entities, from fashion to music, have heavy influence on it

By you stressing what is "dominate" in black culture, but then not factoring in opportunities that exist for black folks, then your conclusion is based on a skewed reality. You cannot ignore socio-economical realities and general opportunities for blacks in music and society, then conclude that black support R&B more than Rock. That statement suggest some kind of natural love for one form of music genre over another. Which doesn't make sense since black folks were doing other forms of music too. The kind of music that promoted black artist on white shows and gain money for those black artist, would be the dominant musical genre in black culture

That like saying black folks love basketball more than hockey because they play it more, while ignoring that there are not ice rings and equipment to play hockey in most black neighborhoods

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

HipHop is suppose to be a culture, but it's not a culture when non-cultural entities, from fashion to music, have heavy influence on it

By you stressing what is "dominate" in black culture, but then not factoring in opportunities that exist for black folks, then your conclusion is based on a skewed reality. You cannot ignore socio-economical realities and general opportunities for blacks in music and society, then conclude that black support R&B more than Rock. That statement suggest some kind of natural love for one form of music genre over another. Which doesn't make sense since black folks were doing other forms of music too. The kind of music that promoted black artist on white shows and gain money for those black artist, would be the dominant musical genre in black culture

That like saying black folks love basketball more than hockey because they play it more, while ignoring that there are not ice rings and equipment to play hockey in most black neighborhoods

I can say unchallenged that black people like basketball more than hockey.

And white people love baseball more than Black people.

lol you act like those statements would be offensive.

 

[jerzboy]

I always considered rockabily as a form of rock n roll. If not the founder of what spawned from it.

It's like saying electronic music didn't start with the house music in Chicago...

Thoughts?

 

[Durrbrowski]

you

Not at all. Usually when black people are referring to the sound that "white people" stole it's almost always in reference to the british invasion which in it's early days was influenced by rockabilly but morphed entirely into a different sound that in mass black people were not producing at all and more importantly a sound that black people weren't even listening to.

people never make anything original. that's the point. we create. you steal. run with it. and call it your own. discredit the originators. oh and the tweaks that you add to it doesn't make it new. On some vanilla ice shyt.

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

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[The_King_of_Everything]

It was never "black"..Whites stole rockabilly and that's where the confusion comes in. Rockabilly definitely influenced the British invasion but white people themselves innovated to what made it popular. Please someone show me where black people in mass were making the rock music we are referring to. You can't because we weren't making it. Big Joe Turner, Chuck Berry are rockabilly artists and that's where your Elvis' come from and Carl Perkins.





Hendrix had to leave and reintroduce himself. It's like Bob Marley. Eric Clapton introduced him to American audiences. Black people didn't get hip until Clapton made "I Shot the Sherriff"..


A scene from the new documentary, “Marley,” shows an all-white crowd gathered to watch Jamaican reggae artist Bob Marley perform in the U.S. in the late 1970s. Even though Marley was influenced by American rhythm and blues artists, his own music was slow to catch on with African-Americans during his lifetime.

“He had issue with it,” Marley’s son Ziggy Marley told “Nightline,” “because he wanted African-Americans to hear his message.”

Yeh your mom and pops might have put ya'll on Marley but they probably only got hip after Clapton introduced it. Black people were into soul and from there came funk and R&B..Our parents weren't listening to no Lou Reed, CCR. It was Stevie Wonder, O'Jays, etc.

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[StaxMalone]

White folk can keep that shyt! lol