Who else wants to see LBJ win it all just so...

[Professor Emeritus]

And yet he could score from all parts of the floor above league average efficiency unlike Lebron

So if you can score from all parts of the floor with above-average efficiency, and yet you consistently choose to shoot the most inefficient shots, what does that make you? I don't think anyone has ever disputed Kobe's talent, just how he uses it.

But here, let's see if Kobe really was above-average from all parts of the floor in his last healthy season, when Kobe-stans were still claiming he was a potential MVP candidate:

Hmm, looks like you were lying.

And here's Lebron that same year. Holy fukk, look at how much better he is:

Looks like he can shoot from three and from the elbows quite efficiently and in volume too. Wait, those spots are outside the paint, right?

 

[Poitier]

Im a strawman fakkit

Who was saying Kobe was in his prime in 2013?

And why are you using the regular season?

 

[Biscayne]

You mean the the FMVP that Lebron won when Wade was getting his knee drained after games because he was injured? Or Bosh who missed half the playoffs with an abdominal tear and skipped out on a free gold medal because he was so badly injured? No Allen for that ring.

LMAO

Dwade was still balling out when he was needed. Put up 40 against the Pacers, averaged 22ppg in the 2012 Finals, and doesn't get enough credit for his defense on James Harden.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

My point. If he stayed in Miami, his situation wouldn't have been any worse than it is now. He'd have Whiteside, Deng, Wade(he isn't looking any more flabby and sick than Kyrie is right now), Ennis, Birdman, Dragic, possibly Pau(he would've came to Miami), Chalmers. Interesting stat:

last season 319 of LeBron's 767 field goals were assisted (41.6%). This season, just 215 of 624 (34%). Coaching or teammates

You're rewriting history a bit. Deng wouldn't have been there except for the cap room from Lebron leaving, I don't know if they would have had room for Pau either, and who knows if they'd have made the move for Dragic.

I agree that the team still had some good players, but he couldn't have known. In his four years on the Heat, the Miami front office didn't add a single real starter to the three-man core that they started with. There was no way that he knew they would luck into Whiteside and that someone would trade Dragic to them for nothing. Or that Love and Kyrie would both get injured right in the middle of the playoffs. He just had some damn bad luck.

 

[Poitier]

This idiot thought he had something using lebrons regular season numbers when it's known his efficiency dives off the cliff in the playoffs


Using an over the hill Kobe shot chart when discussing his capability during his back to back


Wipe that nut out your eyes doggie

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Dwade was still balling out when he was needed. Put up 40 against the Pacers, averaged 22ppg in the 2012 Finals, and doesn't get enough credit for his defense on James Harden.

he was hurt enough though that he certainly was not playing to the best of his abilities.

You're rewriting history a bit. Deng wouldn't have been there except for the cap room from Lebron leaving, I don't know if they would have had room for Pau either, and who knows if they'd have made the move for Dragic.

I agree that the team still had some good players, but he couldn't have known. In his four years on the Heat, the Miami front office didn't add a single real starter to the three-man core that they started with. There was no way that he knew they would luck into Whiteside and that someone would trade Dragic to them for nothing. Or that Love and Kyrie would both get injured right in the middle of the playoffs. He just had some damn bad luck.

I doubt they make the trade since there is no need for another offensive creator. we would have needed more rebounding and rim protection. shooting too, though LeBron being here would have helped more since he can shoot and would open up the floor.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

That was June 2012, and that team had the 2014 MVP, the 2015 MVP runner-up, and the 2015 MVP 4th-place. On the same fukking team. Not to mention an elite 4th option and rim protector too. But they were "weak", right?

And if you want to talk 2012, Durant was #2 in MVP voting, Westbrook was #12 in MVP voting, Ibaka was #2 in DPOY voting, and Harden was the 6th Man of the Year. Hell, the very next year in 2013, those three guys were #2, #8, and #9 in MVP voting, AND Ibaka was #3 in DPOY voting. And they were all 100% healthy for the Finals. And that was a weak team?

What does 2015 have to do with 2012.....goofy ass argument

Are you unable to read, or did you purposely not quote the part where I mentioned 2012?

And yes, how a player performs in 2013, 2014, and 2015 is a partial indicator of how good they were in 2015. Or can we say that Kobe sucked in the 14 seasons where he failed to win rings?

 

[Poitier]

Are you unable to read, or did you purposely not quote the part where I mentioned 2012?

And yes, how a player performs in 2013, 2014, and 2015 is a partial indicator of how good they were in 2015. Or can we say that Kobe sucked in the 14 seasons where he failed to win rings?

I've been on the record saying Kobe last prime season was 2010 so talking about 2013 in the context of his 2 peat is idiotic

 

[Draje]

Dwade was still balling out when he was needed. Put up 40 against the Pacers, averaged 22ppg in the 2012 Finals, and doesn't get enough credit for his defense on James Harden.

Of course he did but acting like he was healthy as hell is a lie. Lebron was, by far, the most impactful and important player on that team. Wade was good but the Heat were injured and broken.

They lost their best big man as a team that absolutely struggled with size and rebounding.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Who was saying Kobe was in his prime in 2013?

Using an over the hill Kobe shot chart when discussing his capability during his back to back

I've been on the record saying Kobe last prime season was 2010 so talking about 2013 in the context of his 2 peat is idiotic

You fools just lost bad.

Kobe shot 46.3% in 2013.

That was his SECOND BEST shooting season since 2002. The ONLY season after 2002 where Kobe shot better than that was in 2009 when he shot 46.7%, and his best shooting season EVER was 46.9%.

So I just showed you one of Kobe's best-looking shooting charts ever, virtually identical to his very best season, and you want to act like some season in which he shot WORSE (like almost every single season from 2003 to 2012), he'd somehow have a better-looking shooting chart?

Ya'all are done. Kobe stans are illogical as fukk, throwing out stupid false shyt left and right and hoping something sticks.

 

[GilSho]

This nikka @Draje showing no mercy in this thread.

The lengths stans go through to argue against not only stone cold facts but obvious logic is exactly why I want Bron to get his 3rd this season if the Rockets don't make it out the West.

How the fukk were that Thunder team undermanned?

Those motherfukkers were the clear favourites with arguably the most stacked team in NBA history yet the fukking Spurs would have been better opponents.

 

[Poitier]

This dumbass still has yet to grasp that regular season performance has zilch to do with playoff performance

 

[Poitier]

This nikka @Draje showing no mercy in this thread.

The lengths stans go through to argue against not only stone cold facts but obvious logic is exactly why I want Bron to get his 3rd this season if the Rockets don't make it out the West.

How the fukk were that Thunder team undermanned?

Those motherfukkers were the clear favourites with arguably the most stacked team in NBA history yet the fukking Spurs would have been better opponents.

Not what the advanced stats that Lebron fans love so much illustrated. Be consistent.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

This nikka @Draje showing no mercy in this thread.

The lengths stans go through to argue against not only stone cold facts but obvious logic is exactly why I want Bron to get his 3rd this season if the Rockets don't make it out the West.

How the fukk were that Thunder team undermanned?

Those motherfukkers were the clear favourites with arguably the most stacked team in NBA history yet the fukking Spurs would have been better opponents.

#Heatwave bases it's posting on logic and reality. We just state the facts. Kobe stans blatantly lie about things or just leave out half the story so their arguments are easy to pick apart.

You fools just lost bad.

Kobe shot 46.3% in 2013.

That was his SECOND BEST shooting season since 2002. The ONLY season after 2002 where Kobe shot better than that was in 2009 when he shot 46.7%, and his best shooting season EVER was 46.9%.

So I just showed you one of Kobe's best-looking shooting charts ever, virtually identical to his very best season, and you want to act like some season in which he shot WORSE (like almost every single season from 2003 to 2012), he'd somehow have a better-looking shooting chart?

Ya'all are done. Kobe stans are illogical as fukk, throwing out stupid false shyt left and right and hoping something sticks.

That is what they do. They outright lie about shyt and hope nobody will research it or they make claims that they don't even know if it's true. I have half of them on ignore but picking their arguments apart is an easy way to get your dap count up. Facts and numbers and game film can't lie.

 

[Draje]

This dumbass still has yet to grasp that regular season performance has zilch to do with playoff performance

Yet weren't you using the regular season defense of the Thunder to say they were average?