Who else wants to see LBJ win it all just so...

[Truth200]

 

[Poitier]

Yet weren't you using the regular season defense of the Thunder to say they were average?

We have individual players efficiency stats for the playoffs but do not for team drtg. You go by what the evidence says.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

And why are you using the regular season?

This idiot thought he had something using lebrons regular season numbers when it's known his efficiency dives off the cliff in the playoffs

Lebron is 49.6% career shooter in the regular season, 47.9% in the playoffs.

Kobe is 45.1% career shooter in the regular season, 44.8% in the playoffs.

So Lebron goes from 4.5% better than Kobe to "only" 3.1% better than Kobe.

If Lebron's efficiency dives off a cliff in the playoffs, then Kobe was already at the bottom of the cliff and is now drowning somewhere in the stream.

 

[360Waves]

Been watching my rep yo-yo between -10 and 0 points all day because of Kobe stans negging me and Lebron fans/anti-Kobe stans repping me back.

 

[Biscayne]

You're rewriting history a bit. Deng wouldn't have been there except for the cap room from Lebron leaving, I don't know if they would have had room for Pau either, and who knows if they'd have made the move for Dragic.

I agree that the team still had some good players, but he couldn't have known. In his four years on the Heat, the Miami front office didn't add a single real starter to the three-man core that they started with. There was no way that he knew they would luck into Whiteside and that someone would trade Dragic to them for nothing. Or that Love and Kyrie would both get injured right in the middle of the playoffs. He just had some damn bad luck.

Kyrie has an history of injury in his short career. At what point does superstar players numbers dropping, become indicative of playing with a player who thrives on being the leading ball-handler, scorer, playmaker etc? Anytime LBJ teams up with other perennial All-Stars, their struggles always fuel the narrative of LBJ "reluctantly having to take over again". Wade was perfectly well rounded scorer, passer, defender before LBJ joined Miami. But gradually his numbers went down. Partly because he went full Larry Holmes, and partly because he and LBJ did alot of the same things, 1 just needed to completely change their game and play off the ball to make the other feel comfortable. So LBJ's numbers increase, and Wades decreases. And all of it gets attributed to Wade and Bosh just being bums, or unhealthy, when part of it is the system. Samething happened to Love and Kyrie at the beginning of the season. They're great players, but next to LeBron, they get labeled as incapable. And maybe they were. No matter who he plays with, he'll be the leading scorer, playmaker, near the top in rebounding, and the narrative will continue. He doesn't like playing off the ball. He likes being in control. Even if Kyrie was healthy, I bet LBJ would be playing point.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Been watching my rep yo-yo between -10 and 0 points all day because of Kobe stans negging me and Lebron fans/anti-Kobe stans repping me back.

why are they negging you my good sir

 

[Draje]

Not what the advanced stats that Lebron fans love so much illustrated. Be consistent.

Advanced stats said the Thunder had the 2nd best offense in the league and a defense just shy of the top ten.

Mind you that they actually beat the top ranked offense in the league right before losing against the Heat.

 

[Poitier]

Lebron is 49.6% career shooter in the regular season, 48.1% in the playoffs.

Kobe is 45.1% career shooter in the regular season, 44.8% in the playoffs.

If Lebron's efficiency dives off a cliff in the playoffs, then Kobe was already at the bottom of the cliff and is now drowning somewhere in the stream.

True shooting percentage fam and lebrons drop off is vast whether it be this year 2013 2012 2011

 

[Poitier]

Advanced stats said the Thunder had the 2nd best offense in the league and a defense just shy of the top ten.

Mind you that they actually beat the top ranked offense in the league right before losing against the Heat.

No team has won with a defense outside the top 10 and the runner ups the 3 years before that were all good defensively

 

[Draje]

We have individual players efficiency stats for the playoffs but do not for team drtg. You go by what the evidence says.

If regular season doesn't matter, why bring up the Thunder defense in the regular season? Either the regular season matters or it doesn't.

Durant dropped 28.5 PPG on 63% TS across the playoffs. What evidence do you have that his inexperience is what caused the team to lose and not the fact that Lebron James was simply better?

Why didn't Durant's inexperience come short against the Spurs?

 

[Biscayne]

Of course he did but acting like he was healthy as hell is a lie. Lebron was, by far, the most impactful and important player on that team. Wade was good but the Heat were injured and broken.

They lost their best big man as a team that absolutely struggled with size and rebounding.

Broken? I recall Shane Battier raining 3's upon OKC, and Mike Miller finishing them off. No doubt LBJ was far and away the best player, but he had a damn good supporting cast, even when Bosh was hobbled. Let's not do this. He had another wing adding 20+ ppg.

 

[Poitier]

If regular season doesn't matter, why bring up the Thunder defense in the regular season? Either the regular season matters or it doesn't.

Durant dropped 28.5 PPG on 63% TS across the playoffs. What evidence do you have that his inexperience is what caused the team to lose and not the fact that Lebron James was simply better?

Why didn't Durant's inexperience come short against the Spurs?

Because we don't have team drtg for the playoffs.... Not hard to understand

The Spurs simply were not a title team plus the fatigue and tear of making it far into June

 

[Draje]

No team has won with a defense outside the top 10 and the runner ups the 3 years before that were all good defensively

What does that have to do with anything? The Thunder just got through shytting on 3 teams with a top ten defense before getting beat by the Heat.

In fact, the Thunder and the Spurs jad the same defensive rating so they were pretty much a top ten defense.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Broken? I recall Shane Battier raining 3's upon OKC, and Mike Miller finishing them off. No doubt LBJ was far and away the best player, but he had a damn good supporting cast, even when Bosh was hobbled. Let's not do this.

Shane couldn't hit the broad side of a barn until the finals. I think he got more open 3's that season than ever and shot only 34%. Miller was not able to play much. Man was limping up and down the court most of the season. says he was hurt so bad he was surprised we didn't take him behind the barn and shoot him. He did show up big in the closeout game against the pacers and game 5 of the finals though.

 

[Poitier]

What does that have to do with anything? The Thunder just got through shytting on 3 teams with a top ten defense before getting beat by the Heat.

In fact, the Thunder and the Spurs jad the same defensive rating so they were pretty much a top ten defense.

But this is about the thunder compared to other runner ups so what the fukk are you going on about?

Youngest offensive anchors and weakest team defense since 2007 Cavs