Who has greater influence on rap music , Kanye West or Eminem?

[MIKE SPLEAN]

Kanye

 

[SunZoo]

@SunZoo

I agree with some of what you said. All Kanye essentially does is pull from other artists and channel it into his own music like you said, but when you break it down, being influenced is pretty much the same thing as biting. The only difference is that one is a more extreme version of the other.

That being said, even if Kanye steals or what-have-you, it doesn't change the fact that Kanye's fingerprint is in a lot of music these days. Yeah, Eminem inspired some rappers in your words to be "more technical and vulnerable". But comparatively speaking, can you bring up more artists that were influenced by Em that way vs. the myriad of 808s babies/College Dropouts/etc.? Never mind who Kanye took it from; who, then, took it from Kanye?

Name them...seems like most the artist that were "influenced" by Kanye were really the ones making Kanye's music.

Tentception.

 

[JustCKing]

@SunZoo going in. I think Kanye is more influential, but

 

[BrothaZay]

Kanye. Even tho Em was bigger at his peak.

 

[Chapter_BLK]

Name them...seems like most the artist that were "influenced" by Kanye were really the ones making Kanye's music.

Tentception.

Yeah, the gif really drives your point home. You would have a point about those influencing Kanye being under the hood only if those acts came out around or before Kanye, which they haven't. I'm not even gonna waste time asking you to elaborate who these people are "making" Kanye's music.

As far as naming people influenced by Kanye, you asked for a list:

Drake
J. Cole
40 (only producer that came to mind)
Wale
Childish Gambino
Travis Scott
A$AP Rocky

Off the top of my head.

Rebuttals?

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Well one nikka said that 808's is what changed the way rappers and every other genre makes music....even if that was true (it's not), how much of that credit are Kante stans willing to split with Kid Cudi?

I fukk with Kanye a lot so I'm trying to preemptively get the heat off of me, but low key Kanye took a lot of Phonte's ideas, both in terms of rapping and with 808s and Heartbreak, because Phonte had just dropped Foreign Exchange - Leave It All Behind and Kanye liked it. Drake produdly acknowledges that he did the same. Kanye and Phonte recorded music together and then kanye tried to pretend in interviews that he didn't know who Phonte was.

All I'm saying is that Phonte was the blueprint to what a lot of cats have done from the late 00's to now.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

There is a difference between being influenced (being inspired) and biting.

Kanye himself is a biter...Rhymefest was performing his biggest song on stage before he was.



He "curates" groups of talented people to make music for him.

What I would honestly like to know is how much Kanye was writing early on. His albums credit more and more people as they go on, but COllege Dropout and Late Registration don't have a ton of additional names listed. At least not compared to MBDTF, Yeezus, etc.

Kanye can definitely write. But I'm curious how much of it was "Hey, here's a line" versus "Hey, use my entire verse for Jesus Walks"

and Kanye has written for others as well. He basically gave Jay the whole idea for the hook and also the bridge on Lucifer.

 

[SunZoo]

Yeah, the gif really drives your point home. You would have a point about those influencing Kanye being under the hood only if those acts came out around or before Kanye, which they haven't. I'm not even gonna waste time asking you to elaborate who these people are "making" Kanye's music.

As far as naming people influenced by Kanye, you asked for a list:

Drake
J. Cole
40 (only producer that came to mind)
Wale
Childish Gambino
Travis Scott
A$AP Rocky

Off the top of my head.

Rebuttals?

The first person you go and list is someone who claims to have written or at least wholesaled Kante some music.



J Cole got more Eminem in his DNA as a rapper than he does Kanye, according to his own words.
Wale is... derivative
Gambino is...whatever.
ASAP and Travis Scott are two other biters...the latter of which who has also been exposed as utilizing tents.

Seems like his biggest influence has been normalizing rappers openly being manufactured ghost written cover bands.

Very low energy.

Now...who influenced Kanye? And I'm not talking about the usual Jay/Nas stock answers..but who is he lifting his material from this late in the game besides his friends.

I fukk with Kanye a lot so I'm trying to preemptively get the heat off of me, but low key Kanye took a lot of Phonte's ideas, both in terms of rapping and with 808s and Heartbreak, because Phonte had just dropped Foreign Exchange - Leave It All Behind and Kanye liked it. Drake produdly acknowledges that he did the same. Kanye and Phonte recorded music together and then kanye tried to pretend in interviews that he didn't know who Phonte was.

All I'm saying is that Phonte was the blueprint to what a lot of cats have done from the late 00's to now.

Tiggalo is a beast and pioneer for a lot of shyt nikkas jock right now.

I also felt that "The New Danger" preceded a lot of this bullshyt while getting shyt on.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Tiggalo is a beast and pioneer for a lot of shyt nikkas jock right now.

I also felt that "The New Danger" preceded a lot of this bullshyt while getting shyt on.

Even I overlook New Danger. Good point. In fact I used to describe Phonte's early early style to people as a southern Mos Def.

 

[Mr. Negative]

eminem hate on this board is ridiculous .


anyway, Kanye by a wide margin.

 

[Pop123]

Nothing is cornier in rap than black men who are Eminem-influenced, I can’t bro, . Son combined it with the emo/female IG caption sarcastic energy too

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

E-40

 

[SilverSamurai]

Both of them influenced the game in bad ways

 

[mundL]

Em inspired the Hopsins and Logics

 

[ManBearPig]

Ye.