Who is really paying attention to these concentration camp moves MAGA is making ?

[88m3]

You wen't from here

Are you talking about black children being sentenced like adults at a higher clip than both latinos and whites...caged up in the adult prison system?
No?
Not relevant.

to here

2.Black immigrants are an extremely tiny percentage of those people(being put in concentration camps).

You're too stupid breathe

 

[afterlife2009]

 

[theworldismine13]

Hispanics are the biggest minority group in the country, why is the Hispanic community not in the streets protesting this?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Actual words from Donald Trump:

"We will be putting up massive cities of tents. We have thousands of tents. We have a lot of tents, we have a lot of everything....This an invasion."



Faced with the prospect of concentration camps and racist fearmongering for the sole purpose of manipulating elections, the Coli's resident right-wing assemble.


@David_TheMan "But both sides! I know the convo is about kids in concentration camps but I camp here to bash Obama again!"

@Indiglow Meta (R$G) "I don't want to see this, children in concentration camps mean nothing to me so long as only a small % are Black."

@theworldismine13 "This is pretty hard to cape for, so I'm just gonna deflect by demanding signs of virtue signaling from the Hispanic community."

 

[David_TheMan]

Actual words from Donald Trump:

"We will be putting up massive cities of tents. We have thousands of tents. We have a lot of tents, we have a lot of everything....This an invasion."



Faced with the prospect of concentration camps and racist fearmongering for the sole purpose of manipulating elections, the Coli's resident right-wing assemble.


@David_TheMan "But both sides! I know the convo is about kids in concentration camps but I camp here to bash Obama again!"

@Indiglow Meta (R$G) "I don't want to see this, children in concentration camps mean nothing to me so long as only a small % are Black."

@theworldismine13 "This is pretty hard to cape for, so I'm just gonna deflect by demanding signs of virtue signaling from the Hispanic community."

This is nothing new.
Obama was notorious for doing the same thing, a fameous boxer even got with his lawyer and Oscar De La Hoya to sue to US government for its illegal detention and indefinite holding of illegals with no charges.

Did you care then, or is this just one of the things your white liberals told you, you need to care about now?

I didn't see you out here calling this shyt out before Trump though.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Both sides! Both sides! Both sides! Stop picking on my man Trump!!!

This fool only joined during the final months of the Obama administration when the election was already well underway but he's talking crap about what posters where doing when Obama was president.

I wasn't even an Obama supporter and I'm not a Democrat, fool. You've only been on this board for the last few months of the Obama administration and I didn't really post on politics until the election got rolling, when I did post I OPPOSED Clinton and other neoliberals and centrist dems for numerous reasons.

But the open, blatant racism by Trump and his supporters got me heated.

Now, I'm damn tired of you screaming "but Obama" every time someone criticizes the orange beluga. Either deal with the issue, or leave. Stop copy-and-pasting right-wing diatribes, stop quoting neo-confederates, stop promoting pro-Trump propaganda, and actually make a contribution of your own. Are you for concentration camps, or do you not really care either way and your Obama hate just overrides everything?

 

[David_TheMan]

This fool only joined during the final months of the Obama administration when the election was already well underway but he's talking crap about what posters where doing when Obama was president.

I wasn't even an Obama supporter and I'm not a Democrat, fool. You've only been on this board for the last few months of the Obama administration and I didn't really post on politics until the election got rolling, when I did post I OPPOSED Clinton and other neoliberals and centrist dems for numerous reasons.

But the open, blatant racism by Trump and his supporters got me heated.

Now, I'm damn tired of you screaming "but Obama" every time someone criticizes the orange beluga. Either deal with the issue, or leave. Stop copy-and-pasting right-wing diatribes, stop quoting neo-confederates, stop promoting pro-Trump propaganda, and actually make a contribution of your own. Are you for concentration camps, or do you not really care either way and your Obama hate just overrides everything?

What does when I joined this board have to do with you?

You are a joke. Like I said, you cry about it being the end of the world for everything shytty thing Trump does, great, but the shyt he is doing isn't new. It isn't just started by him, and you ignore the fact that both parties are complicit in the downward trend this country is going. Why?

I don't know but its clear to me you want Dem daddy to be proud with the way you cry about shyt both of them did.

You don't like my opinion, don't @ me, but if you do I will responde and simply be prepared to logically defend the hill you want to take a stand on.
Crying about my join date isn't a logical reply to the argument I made.
If you cry about me saying both sides are terrible, and I show you that what you are crying about today was done when dems were in power, don't continue to make the faulty argument that some how both parties are different.

Time to put your big boy pants on breh.

 

[GPBear]

fukk Nazis

Hispanics are the biggest minority group in the country, why is the Hispanic community not in the streets protesting this?

What rock do you live under?

They had to call the feds into Portland, it was turning into a battlefield.

“Well I don’t see that on NBC news “

Wow yeah, it’s almost like mainstream media outlets don’t want to give any progressive social causes exposure

 

[Professor Emeritus]

What does when I joined this board have to do with you?

Because you claim that you hadn't seen me doing certain things before Trump when the Trump election was already in full swing when you joined the board.

There wasn't even a "before Trump" period for you to see me doing things in, he was at the top of the news cycle before you even joined.

You are a joke. Like I said, you cry about it being the end of the world for everything shytty thing Trump does, great, but the shyt he is doing isn't new. It isn't just started by him, and you ignore the fact that both parties are complicit in the downward trend this country is going. Why?

You are SUCH the damn liar.

This is like when you claimed I was from India, then later claimed I was from Canada. You have NO CLUE what goes on outside your own head. I rip on the Democrats for being complicit is the downward trend the country is on ALL THE TIME.

The Reagan Administration, Clinton Administration, both Bush Administrations, Obama Administration, and Trump Administration, the last 40 years of Senate and the House, bureaucrats in State and Defense and Treasury, and tons of private players in the defense, oil, finance, and other industries ALL have a part to play in what has happened (not to mention the USSR, UK, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Russia, the UN, and others). You can't pin it on any single administration, though Bush probably made the single biggest unforced error.

You know why Dems lost the last election? Because they voted for a neoliberal globalist who protected the financial elite.

We need someone who is ALWAYS for the American people. fukk this "loyal to the party" bullshyt. I don't give a rat's ass about the survival of the Democratic party as an entity, there are people alive today who remember when Dems were all a bunch of racists. If the Democrats die maybe something better will rise in their place. If the Dems DON'T want to die, then stop doing 2/3 of the same shyt to destroy the world and the nation that the neoconservatives are doing.

We NEED someone not like that to run for president in 2020. We NEED someone who doesn't look like the same fukking piece of shyt politicians who have gotten us into this neoliberal/neoconservative nightmare. And I sure haven't seen who dat gonna be yet.

Great exposures of both Obama policy and IMF policy in this thread.

This is our neoliberal nightmare: Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, an...

It's taken wildcards like Trump and Sanders for people to realize just how close the parties are when neocons/neolibs dominate them.

Obama was at least half neoliberal himself, and that was bad enough. Clinton was full-bore in that direction. It's a mess and it's made the world a mess.

Neither of which actually makes the country better or improves things for the Black community.

The establishment left has had DECADES to prove that they were on the side of regular people and their own base. Instead, they've propped up Wall Street and warmongerers and their own establishment. They've given us this Neoliberal crap that EVERYONE can see is making the world worse and ain't doing shyt for us. And it's finally hurting them where it matters - their base is not supporting them in elections. Too many Black voters stayed home in the last election because they had stopped believing that Democrats were ever going to change things for them, and too many working-class White voters switched sides in the last election because Trump at least sounded like he was going to side with them rather than the elites. (He was lying, but at least he sold it to the idiots.)


The left needs to actually start DOING things that will make this country a better place for the 80-90% of the people that have been absolutely screwed by the NeoCons and NeoLiberalism of the last 37 years.

* Come up with massive, hard-hitting regulation against the finance sector that grounds their out-of-control growth to a halt and stops them from running and ruining the country.

* Reform the justice system and police so they stop shytting on Black people and poor people, and reign in their out-of-control violence.

* Stop letting corporations poison all our water and air and schools and everything else, and look like they actually want a clean world for future generations.

* Make health care affordable and accessible for everyone

* Reform the education system so that the testing idiots stop getting to control everything, the inner-city public systems get back on track, and university actually becomes affordable again.

* Knock down the military-industrial complex and its insane control of the US budget, stop bombing poor Brown and Black people in every corner of the globe, and start learning what it means to engage in the world with a peace agenda instead of a war agenda.

* Fix the Farm Bill so it stops propping up agribusinesses and some of the worst companies in the world (looking at you Monsanto) and replace it with a Farm Bill that actually supports family farms, Black farmers, sustainable farming practices and safe and healthy food.


This focus on "all we need to do is worry about winning" is what CREATED Trump. This "we got Black people and liberals in the bag so lets make an agenda that appeals to moderates and our financial backers" is what created the NeoLiberal dominance. Have you EVER heard Nancy Pelosi say an intelligent or useful thing in her life? She's there to win, nothing else. And this "win at all costs" agenda is what sold the country to Wall Street and then got the inevitible Trump backlash. Black politicians were some of the worst about it too, just lining up behind Hillary and her NeoLiberal agenda with the quickness in the primaries.

Where would the country be right now, if 40+ Black politicians on the national level had opposed Hillary and lined up behind an alternative, instead of just rubber-stamping her losing campaign for the establishment?

We need to work for good, instead of just working for power.

The legitimate root of West's beef is that Obama started off his administration appointing the exact same Wall Street figures and carrying out the same pro-Wall Street policies that all of his predecessors had. And then he won the globalist Nobel Peace Prize while following through with the exact same neoliberal globalist policies as his predecessors. You can't go around putting Wall Street in charge and dropping drones on a dozen Black and Brown nations and think you gonna get Cornell West's uncritical support. Yes, West felt personally slighted by Obama too. Whether or not he had legitimate reason to, I think that aspect of the beef was too petty. But his substantial issues with Obama were fully justified, and I'm having trouble seeing where you address that. Do you believe that Obama was generally on the right side of history, and this country would be on the right track if only we kept following Obama policies?

The Clintons’ neoliberal economic policies—principally, the repeal of the Glass-Steagall banking legislation, apparently under the influence of Wall Street’s money—have also hurt King’s cause. The Clinton Machine—celebrated by the centrist wing of the Democratic Party, white and black—did produce economic growth. But it came at the expense of poor people (more hopeless and prison-bound) and working people (also decimated by the Clinton-sponsored North American Free Trade Agreement).

Bill apologized for the effects of his crime bill, after devastating thousands of black and poor lives. Will Hillary apologize for supporting the same measures?

It’s no accident that Goldman Sachs paid Hillary Clinton $675,000 for a mere three speeches in 2013, or that the firm has given hundreds of thousands of dollars to her campaigns or that, in total, it has paid her and her husband more than $150 million in speaking fees since 2001. This is the same Goldman Sachs that engaged in predatory lending of sub-prime mortgages that collapsed in 2008, disproportionately hurting black Americans.

These ties are far from being “old news” or an “artful smear,” as Hillary Clinton recently put it. Rather, they perfectly underscore how it is Sanders, not Clinton, who is building on King’s legacy. Sanders’ specific policies—in support of a $15 minimum wage, a massive federal jobs program with a living wage, free tuition for public college and universities, and Medicare for all—would undeniably lessen black social misery. In addition, he has specifically made the promise, at a Black Lives Matter meeting in Chicago, to significantly shrink mass incarceration and to prioritize fixing the broken criminal justice system, including eliminating all for-profit prisons.

Clinton has made similar promises. But how can we take them seriously when the Ready for Hillary PAC received more than $133,000 from lobbying firms that do work for the GEO Group and Corrections Corporation of America—two major private prison groups whose aim is to expand mass incarceration for profit? It was only after this fact was reported that Clinton pledged to stop accepting campaign donations from such groups. Similarly, without Sanders in the race to challenge her, there’s no question Clinton would otherwise be relatively silent about Wall Street.

The battle now raging in Black America over the Clinton-Sanders election is principally a battle between a declining neoliberal black political and chattering class still on the decaying Clinton bandwagon (and gravy train!) and an emerging populism among black poor, working and middle class people fed up with the Clinton establishment in the Democratic Party. It is easy to use one’s gender identity, as Clinton has, or racial identity, as the Congressional Black Caucus recently did in endorsing her, to hide one’s allegiance to the multi-cultural and multi-gendered Establishment. But a vote for Clinton forecloses the new day for all of us and keeps us captive to the trap of wealth inequality, greed (“everybody else is doing it”), corporate media propaganda and militarism abroad—all of which are detrimental to black America.

In the age of Barack Obama, this battle remained latent, with dissenting voices vilified. As a black president, Obama has tended to talk progressive but walk neoliberal in the face of outrageous right-wing opposition. Black child poverty has increased since 2008, with more than 45 percent of black children under age 6 living in poverty today. Sanders talks and walks populist, and he is committed to targeting child poverty. As president, he would bea more progressive than not just Clinton but also Obama—and that means better for black America.

Now, with Obama’s departure from the White House, we shall see clearly where black America stands in relation to King’s legacy. Will voters put a smile on Martin’s face? It’s clear how we can do it. King smiles at Sanders’ deep integrity and genuine conviction, while he weeps at the Clinton machine’s crass opportunism and the inequality and injustice it breeds.

Read more: Why Brother Bernie Is Better for Black People Than Sister Hillary

I rant against the issues with the Democratic party ALL. THE. TIME. This is yet another claim you've made that you're clueless on.

I don't know but its clear to me you want Dem daddy to be proud with the way you cry about shyt both of them did.

Read the above and apologize.

You don't like my opinion, don't @ me, but if you do I will responde and simply be prepared to logically defend the hill you want to take a stand on.

Logically defending things doesn't even work with you because half the time you're not even responding to anything anyone has actually said.

You just make up crap, assume random arguments the other person hasn't made or positions they don't hold, or just yell "But Obama!!!" instead of dealing with the actual issue at hand.

Time to put your big boy pants on breh.

The irony.

Stop using "both sides!" to distract every time Trump does something wrong.

Stop caping for right-wing propaganda funded by White billionaires like "The Heritage Foundation" and "Blacks for the President's Agenda".

Stop quoting neo-confederates during arguments.

Stop riding for the libertarian bullshyt your far-right white techie friends got you on.

Start listening to what people actually saying to you and dealing with it logically.

I'll wait.

 

[mastermind]

This fool only joined during the final months of the Obama administration when the election was already well underway but he's talking crap about what posters where doing when Obama was president.

I wasn't even an Obama supporter and I'm not a Democrat, fool. You've only been on this board for the last few months of the Obama administration and I didn't really post on politics until the election got rolling, when I did post I OPPOSED Clinton and other neoliberals and centrist dems for numerous reasons.

But the open, blatant racism by Trump and his supporters got me heated.

Now, I'm damn tired of you screaming "but Obama" every time someone criticizes the orange beluga. Either deal with the issue, or leave. Stop copy-and-pasting right-wing diatribes, stop quoting neo-confederates, stop promoting pro-Trump propaganda, and actually make a contribution of your own. Are you for concentration camps, or do you not really care either way and your Obama hate just overrides everything?

The guy is an infiltrator from some right wing website.

 

[David_TheMan]

Because you claim that you hadn't seen me doing certain things before Trump when the Trump election was already in full swing when you joined the board.

There wasn't even a "before Trump" period for you to see me doing things in, he was at the top of the news cycle before you even joined.




You are SUCH the damn liar.

This is like when you claimed I was from India, then later claimed I was from Canada. You have NO CLUE what goes on outside your own head. I rip on the Democrats for being complicit is the downward trend the country is on ALL THE TIME.











I rant against the issues with the Democratic party ALL. THE. TIME. This is yet another claim you've made that you're clueless on.





Read the above and apologize.




Logically defending things doesn't even work with you because half the time you're not even responding to anything anyone has actually said.

You just make up crap, assume random arguments the other person hasn't made or positions they don't hold, or just yell "But Obama!!!" instead of dealing with the actual issue at hand.




The irony.

Stop using "both sides!" to distract every time Trump does something wrong.

Stop caping for right-wing propaganda funded by White billionaires like "The Heritage Foundation" and "Blacks for the President's Agenda".

Stop quoting neo-confederates during arguments.

Stop riding for the libertarian bullshyt your far-right white techie friends got you on.

Start listening to what people actually saying to you and dealing with it logically.

I'll wait.

I havent and stillhavent seen you attacking bad policy of dems like you cry about everything trunp associated. The fact you nade this thread and at ne about some bullshyt that trump is continuing from the obama admin confirms my assesment. As for are past concis thise were settled in those threads, so no need to rehash them here if you want to ressurect those threads and continue do so and tag me and wr can.continue, but im not going to be having five different convis with you from different threads. As for liberyarian bullsbit, the.fact.you again cant even bwgin to make a logical argument affirms thw actual subatance of your position. Look if im so intellectually devoid it shpuld be easy to make your point, you never do, you start crying and go into name calling. Its okay breh, that said again if yoi dont want to interact qi me dont tag me to join your duacission, wapecially if y

 

[David_TheMan]

The guy is an infiltrator from some right wing website.

what white supremacy goals have or do I argue fir?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I havent and stillhavent seen you attacking bad policy of dems like you cry about everything trunp associated.

I literally quoted a dozen examples of me doing it in that very comment.

The fact you nade this thread and at ne about some bullshyt that trump is continuing from the obama admin confirms my assesment.

I didn't make this thread.

You are ALWAYS doing things like that.

As for liberyarian bullsbit, the.fact.you again cant even bwgin to make a logical argument affirms thw actual subatance of your position.

This is insanely ironic. You're not even arguing a position with any substance, you're just saying, "But Obama!" You haven't even voiced a position on the actual issue at hand.

And anyone can see the receipts of EVERY argument we've ever had and see that I'm always arguing the substance of my position. You will not be able to link to ONE argument we've ever had in which the substance of my position was in doubt.

Look if im so intellectually devoid it shpuld be easy to make your point, you never do, you start crying and go into name calling.

Where did I got into "name-calling"? The only "name" I called you in this conversation was "liar", and that was after you lied about me.

What was the name you didn't like?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The guy is an infiltrator from some right wing website.

Wherever he came from, he's a true believer. I've seen too many like him.

He's 23-24 years old (though if he's read Ayn Rand that can sometimes retard your maturity by 5-10 years so he could be older), he went to classes or worked with some right-wing libertarian "true believers", they sent him to websites like the Heritage Foundation and the Ludwig von Moses Institute that repeated propaganda that aligned with their positions. He latched onto them because he didn't know much about history of politics yet and these were the first coherent set of ideas he was exposed to, and he feels special because he's "going against the grain" and "refusing to conform."

He was taught to look down at anyone who didn't promote their particular brand of nonsense, and so other people's arguments are meaningless to him. He doesn't even read them half the time, just assumes what you're going to say (because in the far right world the bad guys always say the same things) and responds as he was taught, regardless of context. Until he chooses to open his mind and actually put all these assumptions to the test, he will be unreachable.

 

[David_TheMan]

I literally quoted a dozen examples of me doing it in that very comment.




I didn't make this thread.

You are ALWAYS doing things like that.




This is insanely ironic. You're not even arguing a position with any substance, you're just saying, "But Obama!" You haven't even voiced a position on the actual issue at hand.

And anyone can see the receipts of EVERY argument we've ever had and see that I'm always arguing the substance of my position. You will not be able to link to ONE argument we've ever had in which the substance of my position was in doubt.




Where did I got into "name-calling"? The only "name" I called you in this conversation was "liar", and that was after you lied about me.

What was the name you didn't like?

okay you didnt make.the.thread you.just made a post and tagged me for what reason?
Yeah like I said you want to continue to discuss things do so in the thread for that topic. I just noticed im.in higher learning. I should have.even.reploed.to your initial.tg. have a.good one, if you want to have.an actual.discussion.we.can talk in the.root