Who ranks higher , Timmy or Kobe ?
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Fat fukk quit crying. Kobe would never acknowledge your basement dweller stalking ass. Vanessa probably has a restraining order against you. 10 million post on this site and 1/4 about Kobe, another 1/4 about Bron, and the rest about Drake.
You are more pathetic than napoleon l. At least he is 10 people. You are just a fat fukk
Duncan has more MVPs, more MVP runner-ups, more Finals MVPs, more titles as a #1, a better Finals record (which is a stupid stat), the same number of All-NBA teams, more playoff wins, a better playoff record, a better regular-season record, and as many or more series being the better player in the head-to-heads.
Duncan has more rebounds by a mile, more blocks by a mile, was a better team and individual defender, and scored at a higher efficiency.
Kobe has more points, more assists, more steals, and shot free throws better.
Both of them have exactly 15 All-NBA selections, Kobe has just 1 more first-team selection.
Duncan's top peak of 1999-2005, when he had 2 MVPs, 2 MVP runner-ups, 3 Finals MVPs, 7 1st-team All-NBA selections, and 7 1st-team All-Defensive selections, despite having a weak supporting cast and injuries for most of those years (2000-2003), shyts all over any 7-year stretch from Kobe.
The team won head-to-head because the Lakers were led by Shaq while Duncan didn't even have a 15ppg sidekick many of those seasons. But in terms of individual Duncan beat out Kobe in 1999, 2002, and 2003.
If 144 people on this board are Kobe haters then he must not be as positively influential as you think he is.
Pop's strategy against the Lakers was to load up defensively on Shaq while single-coverage Kobe in the hopes Kobe would shoot them out of the games.
1999: Kobe took 19 shots/game (led all players) and only made 44.7%, lost
2001: Kobe took 26 shots/game (led all players) and made 51.2%
2002: Kobe took 24 shots/game (led all players) and made 45.5%
2003: Kobe took 27 shots/game (led all players) and made 43.4%, lost
2004: Kobe took 22 shots/game (led all players) and made 46.2%
Only 1 series shooting over 46% in 5 tries, and that was against Antonio Daniels who is a career scrub. ALL of those five series were with Shaq on his team who was far more efficient than Kobe. Every shot Kobe took was a win for Pop, if he was as scared of him as you claim then he would have actually defended him rather than daring him to shoot. There was zero reason that a Shaq-Kobe squad should have lost any series to those '99-'04 Duncan squads, the Lakers had far more talent. Duncan didn't even have a 15ppg scorer next to him.
And yet the Lakers lost twice with Kobe's poor shooting against single coverage leading the way.
Drake
Oh yeah I forgot that’s why your hoe ass is spiteful. You been butthurt for years because I shytted on your idol for having ghostwriters
Your post history is full of Kobe hate including whining about the sticky MULTIPLE TIMES and making fun of his death. That’s the only reason you come into this subforum. Like I said get the hate out your heart fakkit.
And get off Drakes dikk I love how you brought up him when I literally haven’t posted in The Booth consistently in like 4 years. Would Drake ever acknowledge you U fukkin cornball? Thanks for exposing yourself you Canadian 6fakkit
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This thread is still going ?
It’s over. You goofballs lost.
Oh look, another guy who’s gotten warning points in the past for making fun of Kobe’s death….AND got banned recently for anti black racist posts
Lost on Thecoli.com but still considered top 5 by guys who actually played in the NBA
Most of the kobe fans here didnt even vote in the poll
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It's a dumb argument, but I figured I better look it up and it's not even true.
Kobe for his career averages of 25.0ppg - 5.0 rpg - 4.7 apg with 1.4 steals and 0.5 blocks, on 44.7% FG, 32.9% 3pt, 83.7% FT
Duncan for his career averages 19.0ppg - 10.8 rpg - 3.0 apg with 0.7 steals and 2.2 blocks, on 50.6% FG, 17.9% 3pt, 69.6% FT
So Kobe has a decent lead in points and small leads in assists and steals, Duncan has a huge lead in rebounds and blocks. Duncan much better FG, Kobe much better FT.
How does that work out for advanced stats?
Kobe career PER: 22.9
Duncan career PER: 24.2
Kobe career win shares: 172.7
Duncan career win shares: 206.4
Kobe career BPM: 4.6
Duncan career BPM: 5.6
Kobe career VORP: 80.1
Duncan career VORP: 91.1
Kobe career offensive rating 110, career defensive rating 105
Duncan career offensive rating 110, career defensive rating 96
Like I said, claiming "better stats" is a shytty argument without context, but if you want to go there Kobe gets shytted one. Duncan is better on half the traditional stats and ALL the advanced stats.
It's a dumb argument, but I figured I better look it up and it's not even true.
Kobe for his career averages of 25.0ppg - 5.0 rpg - 4.7 apg with 1.4 steals and 0.5 blocks, 3.0 tpg, on 44.7% FG, 32.9% 3pt, 83.7% FT
Duncan for his career averages 19.0ppg - 10.8 rpg - 3.0 apg with 0.7 steals and 2.2 blocks, 2.4 tpg, on 50.6% FG, 17.9% 3pt, 69.6% FT
So Kobe has a decent lead in points and small leads in assists and steals, Duncan has a huge lead in rebounds and blocks and slightly fewer turnovers. Duncan much better FG, Kobe much better FT.
How does that work out for advanced stats?
Kobe career PER: 22.9
Duncan career PER: 24.2
Kobe career win shares: 172.7
Duncan career win shares: 206.4
Kobe career BPM: 4.6
Duncan career BPM: 5.6
Kobe career VORP: 80.1
Duncan career VORP: 91.1
Kobe career offensive rating 110, career defensive rating 105
Duncan career offensive rating 110, career defensive rating 96
Like I said, claiming "better stats" is a shytty argument without context, but if you want to go there Kobe gets shytted one. Duncan is better on half the traditional stats and ALL the advanced stats.
I gotta say. You LOVE bringing numbers into this.
But let me ask, WHY TF DO YOU EXPECT A GUARD TO HAVE SIMILAR REBS AND BLOCKS TO A CENTER/PF??? Does that even make sense? That's why it harder to compare a big to a guard.
But not only that, you had the audacity to state "Kobe has a small lead in assists, but Duncan has a large in blocks between the 2". How is one a small lead But the other is a large lead when the stat difference is EXACTLY THE SAME????? 1.7 difference in assists favoring Kobe and 1.7 blocks favoring Duncan
Regarding defensive rating, this analytics stat favors big men more than guards, which is why 90% of the top 25 players in defensive ratings are all big men. Funny enough, Duncan has a higher rating than Jordan which is fine. But do you know who has a better defensive rating than Jordan as well?
Ginobili.
This is why I said Bron stans are the most disingenuous fan base on this board. You guys spent all this time talking about how Duncan had no help but had better stats only to find out that was wrong...
If a player scores 19ppg on 50% shooting AND won 5 championships as the main guy, then who the hell else was picking up the slack... leave it to everyone here and they would say Duncan was an unstoppable winner. If that's the case, he damn sure should've been able to outscore Kobe for his career just off sheer efficiency and being the #1 option.
I won't even bring up how Kobe's 1st 3 seasons brought down his career ppg.
We're on page 29 and I hadn't brought career stats into the picture once until that dumbass Kobestan claimed Kobe had better stats.
But yeah, I do prefer numbers because numbers are OBJECTIVE. Kobestans think that Kobe deserved to be an All-Star starter in 1998, how can their opinion ever be taken seriously without objective numbers to back it up?
You can't be that dumb. Just bow out of the conversation breh.
Let me ask you this - do you think a big man contributing 1.7 extra blocks/game to his team, in a vacuum, is the equivilent of a guard contributing 1.7 extra assists/game? A 1.7 block/game difference can be the difference between a bad defender and a DPOY. Whereas a 1.7 assist/game difference is meh.
Think of it this way - since TD was drafted in 1997, his 2.2 career blocks/game is just behind AD's career 2.3 blocks/game for the most ANYONE drafted since then has averaged. And AD had the advantage of playing in the faster era. While Kobe's 4.7 assists/game isn't impressive at all, the gap between LeBron and Kobe on assists is almost twice as large as the gap between Kobe and Duncan.
In the title years Duncan generally scored more, in the playoffs and especially Finals. And Duncan scored efficiently plus got a ton of offensive boards, which gave his teammates lots of extra possessions to get theirs. He wasn't a ballhog taking up all the shots. For the most part, those teams ran through Duncan with his gravity creating opportunities for everyone else. Until 2005 the team didn't have enough independent creating talent to even score any other way.
Here is his main run where he picked up 4 of his titles:
1999: Duncan averaged 23ppg on 16 shots in the playoffs. No one else averaged more than 16ppg.
2001: Duncan averaged 24ppg on 19 shots in the playoffs. No one else averaged more than 16ppg.
2002: Duncan averaged 28ppg on 20 shots in the playoffs. No one else averaged more than 15ppg.
2003: Duncan averaged 25ppg on 17 shots in the playoffs. No one else averaged more than 14ppg.
2004: Duncan averaged 22ppg on 16 shots in the playoffs. No one else averaged more than 18ppg.
2005: Duncan averaged 24ppg on 18 shots in the playoffs. Ginobli averaged 20ppg and Parker 17ppg.
2006: Duncan averaged 26ppg on 16 shots in the playoffs. Parker averaged 21ppg and Ginobli 13ppg.
2007: Duncan averaged 22ppg on 17 shots in the playoffs. Parker averaged 20ppg and Ginobli 18ppg.
Duncan's prime scoring years were 1998-2009, especially the stretch from 1999-2007 when he averaged 22-28ppg in every playoff run and led his team to 4 titles. And incredibly he did it without ever taking more than 20 shots/game and regularly averaging 3-4 offensive rebounds a game, meaning his teammate had a TON of chances to get themselves on the scoreboard, even if it was just scrubs who weren't going to score unless they were open.
In the 2008-09 season Duncan began wearing his knee brace full time because his knee injuries were getting so bad. As a result Pop began load managing his minutes during the regular season and pftem running the team through Parker, which decreased his career ppg a lot. However he still showed out in the playoffs, averaging 16-20ppg every postseason from 2009 to 2015 except when he played hurt against Memphis in 2011.
Duncan wasn't concerned with his regular season #'s. Duncan usually took fewer shots and sat earlier against the easy teams, he often would score just 10-12ppg in blowouts, but then come back and drop 30 when he was needed. That's why all his best ppg were against his best opponents. 32ppg against the Mavs in '06. 29ppg against the Lakers in '99. 29ppg against the Lakers in '02. 28ppg against the Lakers in '03. 28ppg against the Mavs in '03. 27ppg against the Knicks in the '99 Finals. 27ppg against the Suns in '05. 27ppg against the Mavs in '01. 27ppg against the Suns in '07. Even in his late years he scored 30 and 24 in Games 6/7 against the Heat in the '13 Finals and 27 in Game 7 against the Clippers in '15.
None of those were gimme series. The tough series were the ones where Duncan showed out. He didn't spend a career ball-hogging and stat-chasing during regular seasons and easy sweeps in order to impress his superficial fans. That sort of play was for other players.
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@10bandz has got to be the most pathetic piece a shyt in existence
Not only is he a non binary pronoun faghot but he’s fat and lives with his fat mother..
When he’s not online raging about Kobe and LeBron and callin nikkas CACs he’s goin to the store 5x a day to buy his fat moms a pack a Newports
What a useless piece a shyt
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@10bandz has got to be the most pathetic piece a shyt in existence
Not only is he a non binary pronoun faghot but he’s fat and lives with his fat mother..
When he’s not online raging about Kobe and LeBron he’s goin to the store 5x a day to buy his fat moms a pack a Newports
What a useless piece a shyt
Put that kid on ignore a while ago now.
This board is so much more enjoyable.
Let me guess: all his posts are “something something, you’re racist if you aren’t a Kobe stan…something something, bronsexuals…something something Kobe vs Tim in the playoffs”
That kid kept accusing me of making fun of Kobe’s death because someone said Kobe = Muhammad Ali and I called that weird. What’s he saying now? Remote is a mexicac? I’m not Mexican
I am a man tho. He’s really non-binary?
You got it!
Put that kid on ignore a while ago now.
This board is so much more enjoyable.
Let me guess: all his posts are “something something, you’re racist if you aren’t a Kobe stan…something something, bronsexuals…something something Kobe vs Tim in the playoffs”
That kid kept accusing me of making fun of Kobe’s death because someone said Kobe = Muhammad Ali and I called that weird. What’s he saying now? Remote is a mexicac? I’m not Mexican
I am a man tho. He’s really non-binary?
CAC this LEGBT that you made fun of Kobe in a post on July 12th at 3:43 pm, Klutch this, Klutch Klutch Bronsexual, Kobe is the best ever
He’s horrible
And yes that nikka is a non binary cross dressing faghot
Only reason I ain’t put his cross dressin ass on ignore is he/she truly disgusts me and I love shyttin on his bytch ass
He’s demented
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HahahaYou got it!
CAC this LEGBT that you made fun of Kobe in a post on July 12th at 3:43 pm, Klutch this, Klutch Klutch Bronsexual, Kobe is the best ever
He’s horrible
And yes that nikka is a non binary cross dressing faghot
Only reason I ain’t put his cross dressin ass on ignore is he/she truly disgusts me and I love shyttin on his bytch ass
He’s demented