Who should be ranked higher P4P: Errol Spence or Teofimo Lopez?

[King P]

So this was something been wanting to speak on for a bit, but out of respect for the P4P list that was being made here in The Ring, I let that rock first. But now that it's been wrapped up. I wanna speak on just these 2. I already know who most y'all pick, but I wanna go into it deeper.

Ring Gang threw up a poll in December, and it created a bit of discussion



I could see the arguments for both Spence has the longer quality resume. Teofimo's is shorter, but he's already the unified/undisputed champion in his division and beat the guy who was ranked Top 3 P4P (many had him #1) in Lomachenko. Plus has 2 other quality Ws

@patscorpio @LauderdaleBoss & myself talking about it


Let's talk about it

 

[shroommon]

I voted Teo simply because he dethroned a P4P king in Loma (even if Loma is media hype)

as impressive as Errol resume is ,, and he is the king of 147 ,,, Danny, Shawn Porter, nor Kell Brook were P4P kings at the time Spence beat em ,, he simply doing what he suppose to do to be king of the division

 

[reservoirdogs]

Spence by a little cause he's been around longer, more consistent resume, Lopez got the best win though, one of the very best wins in the sport in recent years.

 

[patscorpio]

Lopez..he legit rules his division right now

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Takeover

 

[FreedMind]

I can understand people who feel that Teo is slightly underrated, and Errol overrated. The wins over Commey, and Lomachenko especially are solid, and along with the unification (undisputed???) accomplishment, Teo should get more respect as a top P4P fighter.

I suppose what hurts Teo's perception amongst fans is that he has two other fighters who are young, in his division, and seen as having the potential to be P4P caliber talent and even legitimate threats to Teofimo. So Teo can still be seen as vulnerable.

On the other hand, I view Spence as being closer to his prime, and looks to be the more complete and dominant fighter presently. I don't believe there's a fight at welterweight where he would be the underdog, which is a testament to his perceived dominance up until this point. What he did to Mikey and Danny was impressive, and his fights against Brook and Porter, while both competitive, showed more perseverance than struggle, if you get what I'm trying to say.

Spence can be scrutinized a little more closely, and I think that's largely an unfortunate effect of not yet being able to secure fights against Crawford or Pacquiao. That being said, I'm not sure that beating Ugas for the belt necessarily makes Spence a stronger P4P contender, not in my eyes anyways.

Mel's fukking overrated though. He's done well at 54, but he shouldn't be anywhere beyond the lower end of the P4P top 10 list.

 

[Knicksman20]

I voted Teo simply because he dethroned a P4P king in Loma (even if Loma is media hype)

as impressive as Errol resume is ,, and he is the king of 147 ,,, Danny, Shawn Porter, nor Kell Brook were P4P kings at the time Spence beat em ,, he simply doing what he suppose to do to be king of the division

Totally agree. He's the LW RIng champ with a W over a future HOF'er & is just getting started. His W's over Commey & Nakatani are on par with Spence's best wins

You also add in the fact he went life & death with Porter in a razor close fight

 

[Bigblackted4]

Lopez..he legit rules his division right now

No he doesn’t

 

[King P]

Mel's fukking overrated though. He's done well at 54, but he shouldn't be anywhere beyond the lower end of the P4P top 10 list.

I guess we'll agree to disagree here, because Mell to me is underrated.

And this is coming from a guy who wasn't sold on him to begin with. But he's proven me wrong every step of the way, and is currently the undisputed guy at his division (and 1 win away from being undisputed champ). I personally like Big Mall more, but Mell needs to be given his just due

 

[Bigblackted4]

In a p4p sense I can see it going either way I have Spence higher because he beat three current top 10 guys plus beat Brook when he was a top 3 guy. But if Teo beats Devin or Ryan I’d slide him past.

 

[Bigblackted4]

Totally agree. He's the LW RIng champ with a W over a future HOF'er & is just getting started. His W's over Commey & Nakatani are on par with Spence's best wins

You also add in the fact he went life & death with Porter in a razor close fight

Kell Brook is a better win than both and I don’t think it’s particularly close. Commey has loss every step up fight and never beat a Shawn Porter and Nakatani damn near got stopped by Veredjo who is the definition of a hype job.

I also disagree that the Porter fight was life and death many people had it 115-112 or 116-111 that’s not life or death to me

 

[Knicksman20]

Kell Brook is a better win than both and I don’t think it’s particularly close. Commey has loss every step up fight and never beat a Shawn Porter and Nakatani damn near got stopped by Veredjo who is the definition of a hype job.

I also disagree that the Porter fight was life and death many people had it 115-112 or 116-111 that’s not life or death to me

Nah bro & I knew you'd quote me

Kell Brook was damaged goods after taking the GGG beatdown; that's a fact. And still Spence went life & death with him till he got worn down . Commey you can make the argument for but he arguably beat Easter & Nakatani showed why he gave Teo the problems he did. The problem with your statement with him is he didn't get stopped & came back & knocked Verdejo out. That's heart & the exact reason Teo had trouble with him besides the height/reach advantage. You can't teach that

 

[FreedMind]

I guess we'll agree to disagree here, because Mell to me is underrated.

And this is coming from a guy who wasn't sold on him to begin with. But he's proven me wrong every step of the way, and is currently the undisputed guy at his division (and 1 win away from being undisputed champ). I personally like Big Mall more, but Mell needs to be given his just due

Mel struggled too much against Harrison for me to consider him a top P4P fighter. His lack of adjustments bolstered an otherwise mid level fighter in Harrison. In the rematch, I saw Harrison's notoriously poor stamina bail out Mel, not Mel making worthwhile adjustments.

Beating Rosario and Teixeira on the way to undisputed doesn't make me think any higher of Mel either. I think lowly of the comp at 140 and 154, so i have rated Taylor and Mel on the lower end, although I'm starting to come around on Taylor.

 

[patscorpio]

No he doesn’t

Keep in mind the only reason he isnt legit undisputed is because lomachenko pulled a fast one. But he is the lineal lightweight champion..Lopez rules his division a and actually wants to tie up that loose end..definitely more than Spence ruling welterweight because Spence keeps having other fighters keep taking his work and is busy having he said this, he said that with Crawford

 

[patscorpio]

I also disagree that the Porter fight was life and death many people had it 115-112 or 116-111 that’s not life or death to me

There are also cards with Porter arguably winning the fight with those scores

Me..my score was 114-113 Spence only because of that knockdown...it was very much life and death