Who/what is making these people disappear from national parks?

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Fact Is often stranger than fiction...

There's a case not a week old that Mr. Paul ides believes may meet the criteria for his Missing 411. Personally I'm still thinking he fell in a mine shaft. But it's crazy that dogs couldn't track him.
http://ktla.com/2014/06/20/search-for-missing-firefighter-still-no-mike-frustration-mounts/
2 guys were hiking and they chased after a dog, but they got separated and the other one and was last seen near a creek. this guy had no shoes on and they found his backpack and some footprints, but no sign of him. so far there's been search crews, helicopters, and an infrared drone. no foul play is suspected. he's been missing since saturday. i'm interested to know if he was wearing bright colored clothes or if the site he went missing in had berries? a couple of the key factors have already shown up. dog was found and ran back off at one point.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014...-drone-in-effort-to-find-missing-firefighter/
 
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How come nobody has thought of trying to bait these creatures?

Say you get a dummy in the size of a 5 yo boy and have him wearing bright colored clothes next to some berries and use a camera on the dummy or a drone to monitor the results?

Kickstarter anyone :youngsabo:
 

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http://www.canammissing.com/jaryd-atadero.html


Four long years dragged on until hikers were 500+ feet above the Big South Trail, over two miles from the trailhead when they found scattered clothing. Larimer County Sheriff was notified and deputies went to the scene and found remains that were consistent with Jaryd. Allyn was called and this time they escorted him down the trail to the point just below the remains. Allyn said that it was a very, very steep and rocky incline where two SAR workers helped him up the mountain. Allyn stated he was taken to an area where they showed him the area where is sweatpants were found, but the clothing was already removed from the mountain. He was taken to another location where Jaryd’s shoes were found. Allyn made it a point to say that it didn’t appear to him that the shoes had been through the elements for four winters. The shoes were clean and the colors were vibrant. Searchers also found the sweater Jaryd was wearing that had some unusual hairs around the neckline

Days after finding Jaryd’s remains, the sheriff had a press conference. They had the clothing and shoes up on display boards covered with plastic. Allyn noticed that someone had (pulled the pants to display them right-side out), straightened out one of the legs to the sweatpants and asked the sheriff why they did that. The sheriff asked him what he meant. Allyn told them that when they were found, they were inside out. The sheriff asked him how he knew that. Allyn stated that he was at the scene. The sheriff claimed ignorance to the pant issue and left the displays as they were. Let me state right here, finding a young boys pants turned inside out on the side of a mountain is highly unusual. The sheriff had to have known this, thus straightening them out. One of Jaryd’s tooth was located sitting on top of a bed of needles in plain view, a very, very unusual sight. After four winters, you’d expect the tooth to be under the needles and buried by debris.

The sheriff sent the tooth and the top of the cranium to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation for DNA analysis. They also sent all of the clothing to the bureau to locate blood. They didn’t find any blood on any of the clothing. The CBI stated that the cranium had degraded DNA, causing the 85% return, but a DNA expert from Ohio told Allyn at a later date that the tooth was contaminated with more than one persons DNA. Personally, I have no idea what they mean. All DNA experts know that you cleanse the item prior to testing to eliminate any contamination. The sheriff also sent the hair they collected off Jaryd’s collar to the lab. They told Allyn that the hairs were non-human and not Mountain lion and not to worry about it. They never gave Allyn the hair report and never told him what the hairs belonged to. Think this through clearly. You are the investigator and you are attempting to understand what killed a small boy. Wouldn’t you want to know what those hairs belonged to? Hair and fiber experts know what every animal hair looks like. They have a guide to every hair in the wilderness and it’s their job to match them. Why wasn’t this completed? Why wasn’t Allyn given a copy of the hair report? He was given the DNA report and every other imaginable report, but that one. He still doesn’t have it.


Allyn got this response from the DNA lab he utilized regarding the returns obtained on Jaryd’s tooth:

Hi Allyn,

You have my sympathies regarding the search for your son.

There are two things about the information you provided to me that
strike me as being not quite right. First, a sample from a tooth
should not be a mixture (which means that it contains the DNA of two
or more individuals) if the tests and extractions were performed
correctly. At the very least, a mixture for such a sample would mean
that some contamination occurred and DNA testing labs are usually
very careful to avoid any possibility of contamination/mishandling of
samples. Second, the genetic markers that are used for the purpose
of human identification are called "loci" in the plural but an
individual marker is referred to as a "locus" (singular). While
attorneys and lay people are not sensitive to the difference between
the singular and plural form of that word, professionals who work in
DNA testing labs are almost always hyper-sensitive to it and rarely
use them incorrectly.

When Allyn and I met, he brought Jaryd’s shoes, sweater and pants. The shoes still look pristine. During our conversation, Allyn told me that there were several things about the crime scene that didn’t make any sense. Jaryd never tied his shoes. He always left them untied. If something dragged him 500+ feet up a rocky, steep incline, his shoes would be banging or dragging on the ground and would undoubtedly fall off, yet they were found near the clothes. When I examined the shoes, there were no scuff marks or significant scratches near the toes or the back of the shoes, which I believe there would’ve been there if he had been dragged up the mountain. The other point Allyn brought up, the shoes still looked new and the colors were still loud and vibrant, even after being out in four winters. There was no mold inside the shoes or evidence that there had been significant snow and water on them.

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This has to be Bigfoot :lupe:
these guys do a great radio show that i found after listening to these david paulides interviews. i like it because they try to look at everything from a logical perspective. they ask the person about their standing on the topic before their encounters and they shut the fukk up so they can actually talk unlike alot of these pod casts/radio shows you hear on the internet concerning any topic. some didn't believe in them at all before their experiences.
they seem to stalk in groups, and every time you hear one of these people describe the scream/growl they let out, they say that they feel paralyzed and the scream seems to be their way of alerting each other about potential prey.
any time these people see the faces close up they all describe them as looking human(some more ape), in the face with no/very little hair there. they all also mention that they see them go to all fours from 2 feet. pretty much all of these accounts are from hunters. tracking dogs not wanting to do what they're supposed to and getting scared.
they make fun of finding bigfoot(and other offshoots) saying the way they go about looking for this creature makes no sense and one of the guys talks about "bfro" trying to down play one of his encounters while changing his story to make it not believable. all of the accounts are really in depth. in 2 or 3 of the cases the park rangers/fish and game acknowledge the "sasquatches" as existing. a few of these accounts have the park rangers covering up evidence. all of these guys say they were scared to even go back into the woods, and if they have they feel very uncomfortable.


skip past the nerdy ass sounding kid cause you can tell his stories are straight bullshyt. they don't fit with any of the crime scene descriptions i've heard by paulides or people who have come into contact with these things. go straight to the guy who calls in talking about he found 2 camp sites completely destroyed where multiple trees were torn out of the ground and in one of the sites he found .45 rounds all around opposite ends of the camp like someone was trying to fend off multiple attackers. kids clothing and sleeping bags thrown up into the trees. lots of valuable stuff was left there. when he went back the site cleaned up and they covered the footprints with new sand. he recorded this and put it on youtube. we need to find these videos. he took recordings of before and after the site was cleaned up.



this whole show is worth listening to. 2 callers with close up multiple encounters.


i think the first guy just tells of some basic stuff with one good encounter but the 2nd guy tells of 3 very intresting encounters that he's had.


here's 2 of the guys that host the show being interviewed by the guy they present it with and you can tell they almost ended up in one of david's missing 411 books (it seems like they started the radio show soon after this encounter)


this family was being terrorized for 2 years to the point where the guy's wife left with his kids. they shyt on "bfro" in this one too. i don't want to ruin this one so just listen. at 54 mins on i want you to pay close attention to the new evidence on neanderthals. it reminds you of how eerily similar they are.


"once you acknowledge that neanderthals were primates you start to see similarities between them and other primates. for example when i compared the profile of a a neanderthal to a chimpanzee, they seem to fit amazingly well...mountain primates come in all certain shapes and sizes...they've simply adapted to ecological, regional and enviornmental circumstances"

"it also seems they didn't care about where their meat came from...that's because we now know that neanderthals were cannibals"
"their muscles were so large that they had to have extra bones to provide against the strain. it's been estimated that neanderthals were more than 6 times stronger than humans. even a neanderthal child could toss a human adult around like a rag doll."

it has become my opinion that these "sasquatches" are an off-shoot of "gigantopithecus" the important thing is, is that they will obviously be primates through the order of homindae(just like us), if they are ever scientifically acknowledged.

adding a little more fuel to the fire:obama:
searchresultsmissing.jpg

mapuscaves.jpg

david's missing clusters overlapped by caves
http://www.messagetoeagle.com/images/searchresultsmissing.jpg
http://www.messagetoeagle.com/images/mapuscaves.jpg
in case they aren't showing up again^
 
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has anyone ran across one of these shelters out in the wilderness? i've never saw one this size/intricately built before. david paulides mentioned once or twice that they found these kind of shelters above where some of the people would go missing and these guys say it was far off of any hiking trails and hidden from view.

"most predators will gnaw on the bones...it almost looks like something just broke it in half and sucked the marrow out"
"we saw the other camp earlier that the hunters were using...oh yeah and it was just a bunch of rocks. it's not even comparable at all"
"it's strange that this rock is just sitting here right next to all of these score marks. no human is going to sit here and just bang on a tree"(right next to the shelter with a bunch of powerful dents in the fallen tree)
they find a "snare" at about 14 mins and 5 seconds
"it's like something picked it up and slammed it into the ground...something with enormous strength(speaking on the logs used to build the shelter)
they find a 14 inch foot print within range of the shelter
at one point they show a comparison of what a bone that was eaten by a bear/mountain lion etc looks like vs the one that was physically snapped in half
read the analysis from 27 mins 40 seconds on
this guy thinking he's a vampire with "lord" in his name and black fingernails:dead:
http://imgur.com/XUaEPoB
http://imgur.com/QaIwtxd
http://imgur.com/wFoUNwh
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has anyone ran across one of these shelters out in the wilderness? i've never saw one this size/intricately built before. david paulides mentioned once or twice that they found these kind of shelters above where some of the people would go missing and these guys say it was far off of any hiking trails and hidden from view.

"most predators will gnaw on the bones...it almost looks like something just broke it in half and sucked the marrow out"
"we saw the other camp earlier that the hunters were using...oh yeah and it was just a bunch of rocks. it's not even comparable at all"
"it's strange that this rock is just sitting here right next to all of these score marks. no human is going to sit here and just bang on a tree"(right next to the shelter with a bunch of powerful dents in the fallen tree)
they find a "snare" at about 14 mins and 5 seconds
"it's like something picked it up and slammed it into the ground...something with enormous strength(speaking on the logs used to build the shelter)
they find a 14 inch foot print within range of the shelter
at one point they show a comparison of what a bone that was eaten by a bear/mountain lion etc looks like vs the one that was physically snapped in half
read the analysis from 27 mins 40 seconds on
this guy thinking he's a vampire with "lord" in his name and black fingernails:dead:
http://imgur.com/XUaEPoB
http://imgur.com/QaIwtxd
http://imgur.com/wFoUNwh
:leon:

Breh this shyt is so creepy and interesting
 

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Either animals got to friend or mountain people. We have to accept the fact that there are mountain people in the woods waiting to prey on someone.

Also many times you wont find any signs of fowl play at the scene because when someone sees an animal or danger, they run away so you may have the actual incident taking place darn near a mile away from where the individuals belongings are found friends.
 
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