Whole Foods' Co-Founder John Mackey: "Why Intellectuals Hate Capitalism"

[DEAD7]

I actually bowed out of this thread when socialism* began gaining steam
The idea that a system of pure socialism and/or communism is viable and can remain stable is insane to me.

I'll wait til we begin talking about meeting in the middle.

 

[Tate]

I actually bowed out of this thread when socialism* began gaining steam
The idea that a system of pure socialism and/or communism is viable and can remain stable is insane to me.

I'll wait til we begin talking about meeting in the middle.

Is the middle social democracy or Tony Blair/Bill Clinton neoliberalism?

 

[DEAD7]

Is the middle social democracy or Tony Blair/Bill Clinton neoliberalism?

Thats another thread altogether.

and by middle i mean 80% capitalism 15% socialism 5% fascism

 

[JahFocus CS]

Dismissing =/= Disproving

I agree, but breh, when you cite that in defense of a system that favors minority rule over the majority...

Individual rights are respected under socialism, unless you believe there is a "right to exploit others." Do you think that there is?

 

[DEAD7]

Not all contributions are equal or deserve the same acknowledgement.

True. Everyone deserves a voice regardless

@Swavy Karl Marx gave you that subtle work right here.

 

[ryshy]

I do too

 

[DEAD7]

I agree, but breh, when you cite that in defense of a system that favors minority rule over the majority...

Individual rights are respected under socialism, unless you believe there is a "right to exploit others." Do you think that there is?

Few things are as slippery in these discussions as the term "rights"




But to answer, I view exploitation(a long with a bunch of other stuff you likely despise) as a cost, and judge it based on the reward/return to society.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Few things are as slippery in these discussions as the term "rights"




But to answer, I view exploitation(a long with a bunch of other stuff you likely despise) as a cost, and judge it based on the reward/return to society.

You can view it however you'd like, but keep in mind that the people being exploited should fight their exploitation and are justified in doing so.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

True. Everyone deserves a voice regardless

Not all voices carry the same weight

 

[DEAD7]

You can view it however you'd like, but keep in mind that the people being exploited should fight their exploitation and are justified in doing so.

I agree.
I just dont believe third parties should assume to know better than the parties involved... and surrogate decision making is inherent in the central planning socialist* advocate.

I (*) socialist cause there is socialism* and then there is actual socialism which you advocate Its literally two different discussions when your in the thread.

 

[JahFocus CS]

I agree.
I just dont believe third parties should assume to know better than the parties involved... and surrogate decision making is inherent in the central planning socialist* advocate.

I (*) socialist cause there is socialism* and then there is actual socialism which you advocate Its literally two different discussions when your in the thread.

I agree about the third parties, but socialism isn't possible from above. It can't be imposed. It comes from the struggle of the working class itself and isn't possible unless workers want to be free . I'm not a third party... I am a working class person (with some petit bourgeois material interests as well being honest here) looking at the foundations of society and what it takes for the class to free itself from oppression.

 

[Tate]

Not all voices carry the same weight

And everyone is aware of that. People have a vested interest to listen to experts.

 

[Arithmetic]

 

[Liu Kang]

I mean, we have people in here saying socialism and Black Power had nothing to do with each other

The Panthers weren't socialists?
Malcolm wasn't a socialist?
Amiri Baraka wasn't a socialist?
Robert F. Williams didn't work closely with socialists and support the building of working-class power?


This is the problem. The problem is that people don't make an effort to learn real history; they take what they read in a school textbook at face value and read all they can of that bullshyt and think that they're "educated" and "intellectual."

No real critical thinking skills. No questioning of anything. Just acceptance of what they're told and of the current state of things.

It's like trying to discuss algebra with someone who barely knows to count to ten and struggles with the basic operations

Yup. Add Lumumba, Césaire, Senghor, Fanon, Damas, Sankara and countless others who fought, wrote and thought about Black people's condition. Anti-colonialism and/or panafricanism and/or simply black activism is (and should be) leftist by nature.

 

[Harry B]

I don't get why these Ludwig von Mises institute freaks try to say that people hate capitalism.
Few intellectuals hate capitalism, they like a good mix to create balance. The funny thing is right wing people are christian freaks too, and the Bible is like the bible for communism.

The places with best balance given the countries dynamics have the best nations, you do what you need for your people to flourish. Switzerland have their banks and stuff so they do what they do, Australia have their natural resources so they do what they have to do, China has what they have, the Nordic countries etc. Just look at Norway taxation is nearly 40-50% of GDP (compared to US 20-25) yet they have average salaries of 50k per year, 30 hour work weeks and 4 weeks paid vacation. And you can't pay for education and healthcare is heavily subsidized. It's not about right and wrong, fair and unfair it's about making sure that your people feel good.

If you want completely free market economics go look at certain countries in Africa, even communism seems better. It almost works in "countries" like Monaco, with 30k population of rich tax exiles.

Just listen to his minimum wage BS, with his logic we can import a bunch of Sudanese refugees and let them work for $1 per hour. This is more of an existential question, why do we have nations, societies and on. For people to live good and reproduce right? These dudes want the system to be based on theoretic economic models that the creators wouldn't agree on anymore. Economic models are based on assumptions about people, if these assumptions are wrong the models are wrong. They are basically guidelines for how to understand situations.