Why are men expected to provide and protect?

[Everythingg]

And the feminist movement has gone so far left, that it’s losing supporters day by day. Why not focus on women that are not extreme feminist instead of creating a counter organization? It seems like both groups are more focused on hate & bickering, than understanding & progress.

The feminist extremists are the loudest though. And theres not enough women calling them out on their bullshyt to leave it at just ignoring them.

I dont agree with the MGTOW movement, but was just pointing out that its a counter to feminism.

 

[jeh]

Good episode from one of my favorite shows check it out if you have a moment op...anyway its a reason men go to battle, go to war, because we are expendable, disposable commodities in this while we are alive. Sure women fought in battles and in wars, but not in the sheer numbers men have lost their lives. Its a reason why when something happens, example a ship is sinking, what's the first thing is said...children and women first. The womb is to be protected home, at all cost. Reason PAC had that tat on his chest that said to die for...especially our sisters Love them or leave them it all on you, for the most part, protecting them from the evil and corrupt bull, cause I feel you you ain't gotta be captain save a hoe and be peeling money for every woman you court or date or whatever but at the same time you gotta do it grown man style it can't be taught. It can't be bought. I can hit up my exes from ions ago right now for a chit no questions asked breh real shyt cause their are aware that when we were together we had fun, and enjoyed ourselves regardless of protection and providing, you never know, you met a girl sxarsdsxarsde of heights, and don't ride roller coasters its nothing's like saying baby give me your hand, I got you okay, I'm here I won't allow nothing to happen to you

Man, you still a lil homie you'll get their though breh nothing wrong with how you feel that's your thoughts

 

[AAKing23]

@Prynce
@Daredevil

yall said it all in this thread.

But watch how just mentioning the idea of a partnership instead of having a pet infuriate some people backwards and sexist as hell

I was never interested in being the sole provider of the household who dominates over his woman while she has little to no input on anything

I'm interested in an equal partnership not a pet that does what I say, I don't wanna rule over any woman

 

[Prynce]

I believe Jason Black just addressed this though...

I don't subscribe to that shaming he is trying to sell me

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

Idk maybe liking me for the person I am. Cause I make you feel good.

I just resent the idea that men only have value in what they provide but women and children should be loved unconditionally

Make me feel good? Like you? My dog does those things. What do you mean by that?

Sorry to tell you honey but life doesn't function on feelings. If you go for a job you have to actually have skills of some sort. You don't get hired because you make the boss feel good and you don't go to work because you makes you feel good. You go to get paid. A job you love but don't get paid for isn't going to sustain you and a job that paids that you hate isn't gonna work either. You have to have a happy medium and it has to be mutual beneficial.

You asking for a whole lot but sound like you wanna give as little as possible. Would you want a woman who made you feel good but wouldn't have sex with you? Or who didn't really wanna invest anything into you besides good times and left you when times got bad? Relationships are conditional and people get in them because they provide a benefits (in theory). That includes physically, financially, emotionally, socially etc.

You sound like you're on some Disney shyt. That's not real life.

 

[Prynce]

Make me feel good? Like you? My dog does those things. What do you mean by that?

Sorry to tell you honey but life doesn't function on feelings. If you go for a job you have to actually have skills of some sort. You don't get hired because you make the boss feel good and you don't go to work because you makes you feel good. You go to get paid. A job you love but get paid for isn't going to sustain you and a job that paids that you hate isn't gonna work either. You have to have a happy medium and it has to be mutual beneficial.

You asking for a whole lot but sound like you wanna give as little as possible. Would you want a woman who made you feel good but wouldn't have sex with you? Or who didn't really wanna invest anything into you besides good times and left you when times got bad? Relationships are conditional and people get in them because they provide a benefits (in theory). That includes physically, financially, emotionally, socially etc.

You sound like you're on some Disney shyt. That's not real life.

So I work hard, so that I can provide value and resources to another person and if I lose resources that person would be justified in bushing me?

If all relationships are transnational I better learn how to be a scumbag manipulator

That seems like a raw deal

 

[HarlemHottie]

So I work hard, so that I can provide value and resources to another person and if I lose resources that person would be justified in bushing me?

If all relationships are transnational I better learn how to be a scumbag manipulator

That seems like a raw deal

So... what kinda women you expecting?

 

[The Wolf Among You]

Make me feel good? Like you? My dog does those things. What do you mean by that?

Sorry to tell you honey but life doesn't function on feelings. If you go for a job you have to actually have skills of some sort. You don't get hired because you make the boss feel good and you don't go to work because you makes you feel good. You go to get paid. A job you love but get paid for isn't going to sustain you and a job that paids that you hate isn't gonna work either. You have to have a happy medium and it has to be mutual beneficial.

You asking for a whole lot but sound like you wanna give as little as possible. Would you want a woman who made you feel good but wouldn't have sex with you? Or who didn't really wanna invest anything into you besides good times and left you when times got bad? Relationships are conditional and people get in them because they provide a benefits (in theory). That includes physically, financially, emotionally, socially etc.

You sound like you're on some Disney shyt. That's not real life.

I think he’s approaching it in a non mutually exclusive way. Of course you’ll need to have your life in order to grow a healthy relationship, but that doesn’t exclude the more personal side of things. I could have all the money and resources in the world, but if I don’t give you those feelings than it’s all moot. Unless you’re cool with being in a loveless, one-sided relationship.

 

[PikaDaDon]

"I have no desire to spend my money or put my life at risk for some woman"
Spoken like a bytch ass millennial.

 

[Prynce]

So... what kinda women you expecting?

A woman who loves me because of me not because I have a benz and a 6 figure salary

Cause if the reality is what y'all are telling me then I feel no woman is on my level.
I don't work and strive so i can be care taker for other grown ass people. I have drive because I have goals I want to reach for myself and not for a spouse

But I've never been married and I date college girls so what do I know?

 

[Eddy Gordo]

So I work hard, so that I can provide value and resources to another person and if I lose resources that person would be justified in bushing me?

If all relationships are transnational I better learn how to be a scumbag manipulator

That seems like a raw deal

Breh just change your middle name to "DOG" and manipulate whatever you want from these women.

Either that are establish what the deal is upfront.

Regardless pursue your own happiness breh. fukk everybody else feelings.

Just wow... But I'm not mad at you for thinking the way you think.

Society is making young men and women more independent... Thus the why should I be the sole provider attitude. Since the beginning of time men were to expected to provide and protect. If I had a husband that wanted to be the bread winner I would let him do so if we could afford it financially. I know that this doesn't happen most of the time because in most households it takes two incomes to live.


Even though it makes sense... It kinda sounds like you guys are trying to get out of doing things that most men do by default.

Sounds almost like a message sponsored by MGTOW.

Dudes is questioning the social contract. Women wanted new terms. And got em. Now men looking at new terms. And the underlying question to each individual man is "What is p*ssy worth to me?"

do you think you have to protect and provide for a woman you haven’t done that with?

I think there are rules to this.

That's bullshyt and you know it.
Whenever we see a video of a woman in a physical altercation with a man the first things females jump up and say is "WHY DIDNT ANY REAL MEN PROTECT HER?" Like dudes just supposed to have dry cleaned capes ready to save a bytch

 

[Prynce]

"I have no desire to spend my money or put my life at risk for some woman"
Spoken like a bytch ass millennial.

No lie breh

My friends have more weight and value in my life than any woman I talk to romantically

I would rather give my last to my homeboy who been my dawg since elementary than a woman I met as an adult

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

So I work hard, so that I can provide value and resources to another person and if I lose resources that person would be justified in bushing me?

If all relationships are transnational I better learn how to be a scumbag manipulator

That seems like a raw deal

First and foremost why would you be giving and get nothing in return? That is foolish.

You seem to lack understanding in the concept of team work or mutual benefits.

And I will ask again since you didn't answer the question. Would you want to be in a relationship with a woman who would not have sex but made you feel good? Would you want to be in a relationship with a woman who was only interested in the good times and didn't stick around for the bad?

YOU define your relationship based on solely exchanging "good feelings." Cool. If that is the case then sex shouldn't be a requirement, commitment shouldn't be a requirement, exclusivity shouldn't be a requirement and so on.

But I'm absolutely sure you have requirements for a woman you desire to be with that goes beyond "feeling good."

If you want to know why relationship requirements go beyond good feelings just ask yourself why your own personal requirements go beyond feelings.

You have sexual needs right?
I got the need to feel like if I fall the other person will help me out?
You want loyalty right?
I want to know that the person I'm with will stand up for me.

This thread is mad juvenal. You over here act like this shyt ain't struggle. You acting like team work doesn't get shyt done. You wanna be on a team you need to bring value just like the person you with needs to bring value. Fairytales and sunshine ain't gonna cut it.

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

I think he’s approaching it in a non mutually exclusive way. Of course you’ll need to have your life in order to grow a healthy relationship, but that doesn’t exclude the more personal side of things. I could have all the money and resources in the world, but if I don’t give you those feelings than it’s all moot. Unless you’re cool with being in a loveless, one-sided relationship.

I literally addressed this point in the post you quoted

 

[HarlemHottie]

I don't work and strive so i can be care taker for other grown ass people. I have drive because I have goals I want to reach for myself and not for a spouse

Tbh, I almost don't understand the premise of the thread. Women work now. Most middle class women do expect to stay home when the kids are little, but surely, you understand that, right?

What are you really talking about?