Why Are Men Who Claim "Good/Nice" Hated Sohh?

[NotaPAWG]

Of course a man is suppose to have to strength. My overall point is that a man cannot be decent character wise because it is viewed as unattractive. The a$$holes, bad boys, thugs, the like are desirable which is not bad. But the bullshyt spewed about decent men being valued has to cease.

I think you been on puahate too much man lol Time to take a break

There's a handful of seemingly great decent guys who post on here I think are awesome. There's a ton of a$$holes on here I have on ignore.

I think what a lot of people in this thread aren't understanding is that it's not that women or people do not value decent men. That is false. But you have to have more going for you than just being a "nice guy" to be valued or attractive to women. That's the main issues with nice guys is their niceness is really all they have going for them.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

To me being an a$$hole is just doing fukked up/foul shyt just for the sake of doing so and has no conscience about it. A decent, respectful guy does not believe in doing that. In fact he interacts with others on basis of treating them with decency like he would want them to treat him and has a conscience that prohibits him from doing foul shyt.

Here's where a problem lies.

In the pursuit of a woman it comes a point where you stop treating her like how anyone else would be treated and come at her like you suppose to. You shouldn't treat a woman you're attracted to in the same delicate way you deal with an old lady or a child, you gotta treat her like you're embracing your attraction to her. That don't mean you be like "Gimmie yo number bytch, I'ma scoop you saturday night at 10 and don't be late or I'ma spit in your face and give you a noogie so your hair get fukked up." It don't even take thought, just be a man around her and she'll catch the cues and follow along. Stop giving a fukk about nice guys, thugs, a$$holes, what kinda type most women want, your only concern should be you a grown man with a dikk that needs to be in some grown p*ssy. Everything else is irrelevant in this department, just worry about what you want and work towards that end.

Of course a man is suppose to have to strength. My overall point is that a man cannot be decent character wise because it is viewed as unattractive.

Yeah he can, but he can't go without exuding strength within his behavior/character. He needs to go for the women that look for those things over a bad boy type and these women that want decent men do exist. In fact, they can't wait to meet that man they waiting on him in anticipation. But if he on some other shyt thinkin that he's "nice" then she just gon have to keep waiting.

 

[Jason B]

I think you been on puahate too much man lol Time to take a break

There's a handful of seemingly great decent guys who post on here I think are awesome. There's a ton of a$$holes on here I have on ignore.

I think what a lot of people in this thread aren't understanding is that it's not that women or people do not value decent men. That is false. But you have to have more going for you than just being a "nice guy" to be valued or attractive to women. That's the main issues with nice guys is their niceness is really all they have going for them.

My perspective is based on what I have seen. In fact I have been the decent guy who was not a pushover due to my upbringing and the a$$hole. In terms of not only attracting women but being respected by moreso, the a$$hole version of me was favored. I also have seen other who were truly fukked up character wise being loved and respected by women. Based on my observations, having decent character is not respected. I'm not complaining about it just stating the patterns I have seen quite often.

Yes I agree that one has to bring other things to the table other than decency (different from niceness since niceness is weakness). But it has been shown that decency can be disregarded in any situation, therefore indicating that it has no value. There is a downside to that which can be seen with how society at large is fukked up. But it is what it is.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

My perspective is based on what I have seen. In fact I have been the decent guy who was not a pushover due to my upbringing and the a$$hole. In terms of not only attracting women but being respected by moreso, the a$$hole version of me was favored. I also have seen other who were truly fukked up character wise being loved and respected by women. Based on my observations, having decent character is not respected. I'm not complaining about it just stating the patterns I have seen quite often.

Yes I agree that one has to bring other things to the table other than decency (different from niceness since niceness is weakness). But it has been shown that decency can be disregarded in any situation, therefore indicating that it has no value. There is a downside to that which can be seen with how society at large is fukked up. But it is what it is.

Nah, it could be the type your attracting or goin for. Which in that case yeah if you really want the types that do go for a$$holes then you gotta be one. What I'm sayin is all women are like that, some are decent people that want decent men and no drama in their lives.

 

[Jone2three45]

Orgins of the word, Nice:

nice late 13c., "foolish, stupid, senseless," from O.Fr. nice "silly, foolish," from L. nescius "ignorant," lit. "not-knowing," from ne- "not" (see un-) + stem of scire "to know." "The sense development has been extraordinary, even for an adj." [Weekley] -- from "timid" (pre-1300); to "fussy, fastidious" (late 14c.); to "dainty, delicate" (c.1400); to "precise, careful" (1500s, preserved in such terms as a nice distinction and nice and early); to "agreeable, delightful" (1769); to "kind, thoughtful" (1830). In 16c.-17c. it is often difficult to determine exactly what is meant when a writer uses this word. By 1926, it was pronounced "too great a favorite with the ladies, who have charmed out of it all its individuality and converted it into a mere diffuser of vague and mild agreeableness." [Fowler]"I am sure," cried Catherine, "I did not mean to say anything wrong; but it is a nice book, and why should I not call it so?" "Very true," said Henry, "and this is a very nice day, and we are taking a very nice walk; and you are two very nice young ladies. Oh! It is a very nice word indeed! It does for everything." [Jane Austen, "Northanger Abbey"]

Never focus on being nice, just be a genuine person.

 

[Jason B]

Orgins of the word, Nice:

nice late 13c., "foolish, stupid, senseless," from O.Fr. nice "silly, foolish," from L. nescius "ignorant," lit. "not-knowing," from ne- "not" (see un-) + stem of scire "to know." "The sense development has been extraordinary, even for an adj." [Weekley] -- from "timid" (pre-1300); to "fussy, fastidious" (late 14c.); to "dainty, delicate" (c.1400); to "precise, careful" (1500s, preserved in such terms as a nice distinction and nice and early); to "agreeable, delightful" (1769); to "kind, thoughtful" (1830). In 16c.-17c. it is often difficult to determine exactly what is meant when a writer uses this word. By 1926, it was pronounced "too great a favorite with the ladies, who have charmed out of it all its individuality and converted it into a mere diffuser of vague and mild agreeableness." [Fowler]"I am sure," cried Catherine, "I did not mean to say anything wrong; but it is a nice book, and why should I not call it so?" "Very true," said Henry, "and this is a very nice day, and we are taking a very nice walk; and you are two very nice young ladies. Oh! It is a very nice word indeed! It does for everything." [Jane Austen, "Northanger Abbey"]

Never focus on being nice, just be a genuine person.

Yes a man should not be nice but he cannot be respectful either.

 

[Jason B]

Nah, it could be the type your attracting or goin for. Which in that case yeah if you really want the types that do go for a$$holes then you gotta be one. What I'm sayin is all women are like that, some are decent people that want decent men and no drama in their lives.

At this point, I doubt that. An a$$hole, thug etc has a significantly better chance of getting a decent woman unlike a decent man. The saying 'good girls love bad boys' rings true due to the fact women are attracted to truly unsavory men. And women should not be ashamed of it. They should just own it instead of projecting something different ala the "I want a decent man" claims.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

At this point, I doubt that. An a$$hole, thug etc has a significantly better chance of getting a decent woman unlike a decent man. The saying 'good girls love bad boys' rings true due to the fact women are attracted to truly unsavory men. And women should not be ashamed of it. They should just own it instead of projecting something different ala the "I want a decent man" claims.

We just have had different experiences breh. If you want to be an a$$hole or thug cuz you think that'll get you p*ssy then so be it cuz it ain't like I'm sayin it don't work cuz it do. I'm just sayin, i've seen different methods by different dudes and the common theme wasn't that dude was a thug or even really an a$$hole but they men and acknowledge it when dealing with a woman. You can be unapologetic and assertive while still being a stand up, decent man.

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

Orgins of the word, Nice:

nice late 13c., "foolish, stupid, senseless," from O.Fr. nice "silly, foolish," from L. nescius "ignorant," lit. "not-knowing," from ne- "not" (see un-) + stem of scire "to know." "The sense development has been extraordinary, even for an adj." [Weekley] -- from "timid" (pre-1300); to "fussy, fastidious" (late 14c.); to "dainty, delicate" (c.1400); to "precise, careful" (1500s, preserved in such terms as a nice distinction and nice and early); to "agreeable, delightful" (1769); to "kind, thoughtful" (1830). In 16c.-17c. it is often difficult to determine exactly what is meant when a writer uses this word. By 1926, it was pronounced "too great a favorite with the ladies, who have charmed out of it all its individuality and converted it into a mere diffuser of vague and mild agreeableness." [Fowler]"I am sure," cried Catherine, "I did not mean to say anything wrong; but it is a nice book, and why should I not call it so?" "Very true," said Henry, "and this is a very nice day, and we are taking a very nice walk; and you are two very nice young ladies. Oh! It is a very nice word indeed! It does for everything." [Jane Austen, "Northanger Abbey"]

Never focus on being nice, just be a genuine person.

Post the origin of "good" though

:...:

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

They don't like hearing "This is a nice guy, why aren't you with him?"

That tells them they've made a mistake, as if there's something wrong with the decisions they're making. They just want to blame the a$$holes they date, rather than themselves. "He was the a$$hole! Why are you up my ass about it? He's not a nice guy, he's just like the rest! Possibly even worse"

It's hilarious, I can't get enough of hearing that from women.

You'll find often people don't like a mirror being held to their faces.

I think there's a lot of elements of truth in what u just said.

I remember when I was 19, I was dating this chick who was pretty much outside of my lane.

She was accustomed to dating D boys/ street dudes.

Back then, I was totally square.Working a 9 to 5, drove a Honda Civic, and had my own lil spot.


My sister is a hairstylist, so she always had a shytload of females at her crib.

This chick just caught my eye.The physical attraction was STAGGERING.I thought she was bad as hell.She was like a thicker/more curvy version Megan Good.

Long story short, she ended up getting stranded at my sisters house one night waiting for her ride that never showed.My sister, ever looking out for her clients, asked me if I'd mind giving "Megan" a ride home.

"Yeah 4 sho" but in the back of my mind, I'm thinking


We talked and hit it off pretty damn good on the drive home.She gave me her number and we started talking everyday.She was telling me about her ex who just got locked up for slanging dope.nikka had Mercedes,Escalades, and a 5bdrm house on the hill.Said dude used to treat her like shyt and cheat on her, but she got comfortable with the "stability" he provided.You know, the typical shyt..

I was still gullible at the time.She had me feeling like she'd never been loved.She told me she just wanted to date a "regular guy" and that was what she liked about me.She liked the fact that I worked a 9 to 5 and didn't drive a fancy car because according to her "I'm burnt out on all that shyt".

Once we got pass the initial chit chat, we started going out on dates, and fukkking.The sex was .She was only 21, but she dated nothing but older guys before me.She knew what the fukk she was doing

Everything was going OK until she decided to bring me around her family.She held out on taking me around her family because she told me they were "crazy" , but she must've felt like she had me because I ended up going to a family BBQ with her.

I just remember everybody looking at me like I was a ghost.Some older lady who was a friend of her moms looked at "Megan" and then looked at me like "Gurrrlll is that yo man?"

So I'm sitting at the table with her aunt, mom, and mom's friend.They had a look like they wanted to start gossiping, but they kept it civilized.Asked me about where I worked, how old I was, how we met ..etc..

Throughout the night, we just kicked it, and chopped it up like family.Talked about all kinds of shyt.

But as we were saying are goodbyes at the end of the night, her family started telling her "You need to stick with this man...he's a nice young man" .... "He's the best thing that ever happen to you"

Her aunt pulled her to the side and told her "If you leave this man, I'll come find you, and whoop your ass"

Megan kinda whimpered with a forced smile/grimace on her face.I felt her whole energy start to shift on some shyt.

When we made it outside to the car, she flipped out on me on some sociopath shyt "Don't let all that nice guy shyt they were saying back there go to your head, you are not all that" like seriously angry, though

Our relationship withered and died from that point forward.It wasn't even like I was poking my chest out because her family was bragging about me.I hardly paid it any mind.That's why I was so shocked when she snapped like that.

I mean she was mumbling under her breath talking to herself the whole way home" I don't know what them ho's talking about 'best thing that ever happned to me' bytch please! y'all got me twisted" ..she was bugging

I can't even describe how she was staring at me.It was a look of pure disgust & hatred.

So there is some truth to what you're saying.Some chicks have a rebellious spirit when it comes to shyt like this.Especially when the bar is being set by people they don't respect(Their parents a lot of the time)

I just ran into an extreme case

 

[Neil Tyson]

That must've been her ratchetness bubbling up to the service.

But it's not just them, the ratchets. I've known this Christian girl I worked with, who told me her family would react like this to me because my family are hardcore Christians too but I just never subscribed to most of the beliefs. That was because I was good looking, had a good job, but still. I wasn't 2Pac in a business suit.

That just didn't work out either. So even if her family likes you, they don't like feeling forced to do anything, it's their LIFE essentially. Maybe that's what she felt too. When her family caught wind of me, it went downhill from there.


Talking about.
"Don't lose this man! Don't lose this man!"

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

This is EXACTLY why I disagree with this stance.
There are guys out there who don't fit any of this, that aren't successful with women.
It's like assuming any woman who has had her run of bad luck with men is some loose
harlot who can't hold down a man because she's inherently flawed.
I don't believe every "nice guy" is some plotting, calculating, miscreant with
sociopath tendencies that slaps on a "Nice guy" personality whenever he wants
a certain female. Third wave feminism has kind of latched onto this goofy exaggerated image
that makes it OKAY to dislike people of a certain disposition.

As for the second half of this post, I agree, there are definitely people who try
to "fake it till they make it" and fail on all levels socially which leads to them
failing to land women. I also agree, that lame guys fail to examine themselves
to see why they aren't successful, I even recently authored this post in TLR :




This is exactly what I mean, "Nice guys" aren't expected to be human.
There is this automatic assumption that there being nice must translate
to accepting any and all bad/lame things that happen to them. All of a sudden their
humanity has to go out of the window with some sort of backwards appeasement.
Frustration with their situation is seen as a BAD thing and in some peoples minds
it's a considered entitlement, I disagree with that,I feel it's perfectly FINE to be frustrated.
Because the fact of the matter is, if they're really out here getting at females they're going to
get turned down, flaked on, dissed,ignored etc. because that's
generally how it goes, and THAT will eventually get to ANYONE.



I agree with this, I just disagree that it fits the majority of "Nice guys".
I think TLR has a litany of examples of guys who fit the euphemism that "Nice guys"
is now stands for.

Real nice guys don't identify as "nice guys". If I hear a dude calling himself a "nice guy", then automatically I put him in that fake "nice guy" category. In my experience, 100% of those woe is me nice guys turns out to be fake.

Getting frustrated is fine. Everybody gets frustrated. That is a human condition. But refusing to work on your inadequacies and unattractive factors, and then projecting the blame for those inadequacies onto a whole gender of people, is wrong. And this is what "nice guys" do all day. They whine about women only wanting "bad boys", as though most women aren't in serious relationships with decent men, or women "only wanting" rich, handsome, charismatic guys, as if they have zero preferences for women. So it's not the frustration; it's the source of the frustration (entitlement) and the response to it (projection of blame onto others). Then they band together and commiserate and fall into a cycle of lameness because they refuse to take control/responsibility of their situations. They give women all the power and then complain about being powerless in the dating game. shyt's corny.

The only answer to the question of frustration in attracting people to date is to make yourself attractive.... not to complain about hardwired facets ofbiology and project your inadequacies as some kind of overarching glitch of humankind. If you are the common thread in failed encounters with people who date others you are the problem. There is no reason why an able bodied healthy employed man should not be able to attract women of his respective caliber.... which is a whole other issue.

 

[Neil Tyson]

Real nice guys don't identify as "nice guys". If I hear a dude calling himself a "nice guy", then automatically I put him in that fake "nice guy" category. In my experience, 100% of those woe is me nice guys turns out to be fake.

Getting frustrated is fine. Everybody gets frustrated. That is a human condition. But refusing to work on your inadequacies and unattractive factors, and then projecting the blame for those inadequacies onto a whole gender of people, is wrong. And this is what "nice guys" do all day. They whine about women only wanting "bad boys", as though most women aren't in serious relationships with decent men, or women "only wanting" rich, handsome, charismatic guys, as if they have zero preferences for women. So it's not the frustration; it's the source of the frustration (entitlement) and the response to it (projection of blame onto others). Then they band together and commiserate and fall into a cycle of lameness because they refuse to take control/responsibility of their situations. They give women all the power and then complain about being powerless in the dating game. shyt's corny.

The only answer to the question of frustration in attracting people to date is to make yourself attractive.... not to complain about hardwired facets ofbiology and project your inadequacies as some kind of overarching glitch of humankind. If you are the common thread in failed encounters with people who date others you are the problem. There is no reason why an able bodied healthy employed man should not be able to attract women of his respective caliber.... which is a whole other issue.

Most decent people don't identify as nice, they are just nice people and they work hard. You're just talking as if the vocal minority (The Elliot Rogers) types are the 100%. That's not true at all.

To say nice people have an ulterior motive is ridiculous, everybody has an ulterior motive. But to attach it to just them, it's stupid. You're just making excuses for their predicament to stop people from questioning the status quo.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Most decent people don't identify as nice, they are just nice people and they work hard. You're just talking as if the vocal minority (The Elliot Rogers) types are the 100%. That's not true at all.

Not ever self-identifying "nice guy" is a sociopath. But I don't consider anybody who deems a whole gender of people flawed for not finding them to be attractive to be nice. Being nice requires being able to empathize & understand other people's points of view, which in the context of this conversation means understanding why women might legitimately find you to be unattractive, without blaming them for having requirements/preferences (as anybody should).

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Plus "nice guys" complain about women not findign them attractive.... but if they lowered their standards enough, they'd have no problem pulling chicks. Water finds its own level. So why complain about women being superficial and unreasonable, when you do the same thing "Nice guys" are deluded and think they are way more attractive and eligible than they actually are.