Why are predominately black countries mostly poor? in your opinion

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Were or were they not behind the rest of Europe in terms of living standards during the cold war era? Were the people in the Soviet Republics able to get more than the bare minimum in regards to resources?

Thats the product of the Baltic environment, not economic development.



More banks or more banks per person?

Either one but the country has to be of similar size and the banks local.


Like who?

"Jews and banking"


What isn't interconnected?

The technological age is recent so that is an important distinction


And so after the regulation is in place, who is then awarded the contracts to build this infrastructure again? Who hires the people that will actually do the work?

Sure, but the free market wasn't going to do it by itself
 

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that was the implication, but you're right for calling me out on this, i don't want to put words in your mouth.

honestly, what you're saying makes sense. but i wouldn't say that we need more capitalism, as we've got spades and spades of that. i don't know where you've been in Africa but most everybody has a hustler mentality, this goes from the poor folks living in the slums all the way to the cronies screwing up the tax-payers by looting. if there's anything that Africa needs it is stable political systems & long term plans. the money is there. it's either not being used correctly or its being accumulated in a few hands.

as for the case of the displaced africans living in the americas and west indies, i'm afraid i don't know enough to comment. i don't know how true it is about only europeans and arabs owning stores in majority black areas. i'm inclined to believe you're correct, but to be honest i'm pulling all my information from listening to ice cube and watching old spike lee movies, both of which are hardly reputable sources. i mean surely in majority black areas in the south (new orleans, atlanta) and the north (chicago, detroit) most of the businesses are black owned?

well thank you for correcting yourself

there is very little capitalism going on in black communities, hussling is part of capitalism but that isnt really what im talking about, im referring to financial networks, like banks, credit cards and loans

that is why i used in the beggining of the thread the example of accepting and depositing a check, that simple transaction requires a vast financial network and a literate society, so i would use that as a metric, ask yourself this, if you give somebody a check how hard would it be to cash? in africa, in favelas of brazil, in an america hood etc

that would give an idea of the financial networks i that community

i agree that the money is there, africa for example has a huge informal sector, but because of the lack of literacy and lack of formal financial networks, these business are not registered which means they do not pay taxes to the government and they do not have access to loans to expand

so you see people hustling, what i see is lack of productivity because of illiteracy and lack of financial networks, me pointing this out is not because i hate black people or africans

we as black people have two choices we can wait until white people stop being racist or wait for the western world to collapse or create our own financial networks and eliminate illiteracy ourselves

im simply pushing for the last one

as far as blacks and business ownership in the us, its very bad, for the most part black people do not even own their own homes much less the business in their neighborhoods, look up some background on ferguson as a perfect example of black people being the majority and not owning anything and look up claude anderson on youtube if you want more info about that the low state of black ownership
 
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what plantation and mindset are you talking about :why:
who are you talking to..

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You listed me in a list of people you dnt think are black because of the difference in our opinions...
The plantation mindset is you thinking only your way or reasoning is right...anybody who think the same is a deviant...
 

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Rosewood, HBCUs, Tulsa, Reconstruction, Garveyism all thing that when starting to show signs of success, were destroyed by Whites

Of course Gaddafi, Sankara, Nkrumrah, Lumumba, etc
i watched sankara doc with my woman... and she goes 'he's a charismatic dude'... wtf... bytch tryna switch teams on me :what:

then after watchin it she starts cryin..

yeah bytch. see how you devils doing to my cousins.....
 

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Thats the product of the Baltic environment, not economic development.

And the Baltic environment suddenly changed after 1989?



Either one but the country has to be of similar size and the banks local.

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"Jews and banking"

Ahh the age old Jewish Banker conspiracy. Even if one surmises that the same exact indidivuals have been owning the majority of banks since the 1700s, it still wouldn't take away from the fact that banking has undergone a significant amount of changes since then, especially in regards to how people utilize it.


The technological age is recent so that is an important distinction

Correction: Information age. Technology has been here since the beginning of time.


Sure, but the free market wasn't going to do it by itself

Another straw man. Who ever said it was? There is no 100% Laissez-faire economy on the planet. Each one outside of the dying Communist ones are mixed economies.
 

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Black people have tried and succeed at capitalism in America multiple times only to have it thwarted. You spew ignorance.

Also, tell me how Kenya, Nigeria, Angola and SA have few banks?

Anyone who actually knows what the are talking about can see through your horse shyt.

yeah black people have tried, and they have been thwarted..............and?

like ive been saying, the weakness that allowed europeans to destroy, enslave and colonize us did not start in america, the weakness started when africans allowed european to get ahead of them technologically including literacy and when we did not have a financial system to compete with european capitalism

yes, citizens in kenya, nigeria, angola and SA have little access to a formal banking system and little access to capital, is this news?
 

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And the Baltic environment suddenly changed after 1989?Another straw man. Who ever said it was? There is no 100% Laissez-faire economy on the planet. Each one outside of the dying Communist ones are mixed economies.

What is this referring to? You said Eastern Europe has always been behind but Russia has been the big dog the vast majority of the past 100 years.


I said local.



Ahh the age old Jewish Banker conspiracy. Even if one surmises that the same exact indidivuals have been owning the majority of banks since the 1700s, it still wouldn't take away from the fact that banking has undergone a significant amount of changes since then, especially in regards to how people utilize it.

And it still doesn't change the fact that banking in a country 6x as old should have better financial systems



Correction: Information age. Technology has been here since the beginning of time.

Technology as in electronics but I expect you to argue semantics when you have no argument



Another straw man. Who ever said it was? There is no 100% Laissez-faire economy on the planet. Each one outside of the dying Communist ones are mixed economies.

You did when you claimed private business owners would create public goods and social infrastructure without government intervention.
 

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yeah black people have tried, and they have been thwarted..............and?

like ive been saying, the weakness that allowed europeans to destroy, enslave and colonize us did not start in america, the weakness started when africans allowed european to get ahead of them technologically including literacy and when we did not have a financial system to compete with european capitalism

yes, citizens in kenya, nigeria, angola and SA have little access to a formal banking system and little access to capital, is this news?

Why are you still talking? You've been exposed as a fraud throughout this thread.
 

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Why are you still talking? You've been exposed as a fraud throughout this thread.

the only fraud that has been exposed is you claiming to have read GGS and tommyknocks lying through his teeth claiming norway and nigeria get different prices for oil
 

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the only fraud that has been exposed is you claiming to have read GGS and tommyknocks lying through his teeth claiming norway and nigeria get different prices for oil

and yet no one but Chris B and ejthompson (who both I have on ignore but can see the daps :leostare:) has agreed with you, while im dapped up and have had multiple cosigns :smugbiden:
 

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Rosewood, HBCUs, Tulsa, Reconstruction, Garveyism all thing that when starting to show signs of success, were destroyed by Whites

Of course Gaddafi, Sankara, Nkrumrah, Lumumba, etc

Rosewood & Tulsa: Tragedies, no doubt. But what about the other majority black economic hubs? What about Jackson Ward? Parrish Street? Georgetown?

HBCUs: Weren't most of them either built by whites (UMES, Howard, etc) or strongly supported by them? Tuskegee? And wasn't their decline largely because of desegregation?

Reconstruction: The 1877 Compromise had alot to do with the aftermath of that. But what about Booker T?

Garveyism: Lots of issues there, one of them being that Garvey surrounded himself with way too many "yes men." Also lets not forget about the fact that people like DuBois and the NAACP sabotaged him.

Gaddafi: A demagogue who helped train and arm thugs like Charles Taylor and Sankoh Forday who destroyed Liberia and Sierra Leone. Also was friends with Idi Amin and Mengistu of Ethiopia. Very happy he's dead

Sankara: A good natured man who had some right ideas. Was killed by a student of Gaddafi.

Nkrumah: A good independence leader, not so good head of state. Essentially made himself president for life, created a one party state in Ghana and threw people in jail who didn't agree with him.

Lumumba: Not a good leader at all. Only really known for making speeches and embezzling money. Got himself killed after he raised all government salaries except for the military. Not a skilled strategist and talked way too much. Also not really a Communist even though he's somehow become a symbol for them
 

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and yet no one but Chris B and ejthompson (who both I have on ignore but can see the daps :leostare:) has agreed with you, while im dapped up and have had multiple cosigns :smugbiden:

I have agreed with him. And being correct and being popular have nothing to do with one another by the way.
 
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